4 GHz Radeon RX 7900 XT?

[ARF]

What matters is the performance per $ and power efficiency in this market. My guess is the 40xx series will be the biggest commercial flop for Nvidia in a long time. Can see how desperate they are to try and shift the old 30xx even at MSRP or close to it.

Absolute performance really doesn't matter at all now from a commercial perspective. The first company that can get a card at a normal price point of $600 or less with a slight performance bump over last gen and 200w power consumption will clean the market up.

100%.
Even more so, because people say that you don't notice the FPS difference between, let's say, Radeon RX 6800 and GeForce RTX 3090 Ti.
Despite the latter being slightly faster, the performance difference is not large enough to make the user experience better.

 

[InVasMani]

Who would be comparing a RX6800 against a RTX 3090Ti though realistically it's not like those two GPU's are even priced remotely the same. If anything you'd be comparing a RX6950XT against RTX 3090Ti or RTX 3090. Something like a GTX 2060 12GB compared with a RX6600 is pretty fair comparison given the close pricing between the two.

 

[ARF]

Who would be comparing a RX6800 against a RTX 3090Ti though realistically it's not like those two GPU's are even priced remotely the same.

You have to save. The more you save, the more things you can buy
Performance per money is the important. 90% the performance for 50% the price. Isn't it a great deal? No?

 

[ModEl4]

Don't think they will launch such a card this year or soon.

Yeah, i know, based on the leaks only 2 RDNA3 models this year that cannot compete with 4090 (so probably no V-Cache enabled 7950X)
I wonder when (and if) the V-Cache enabled flagship will arrive, because it will have to have competitive performance/$ vs AD102 solutions (4090 and 4080Ti eventually) and the additional cost of 96MB V-Cache alone means certain price difference vs the non V-Cache lower Navi31 based model).
If they are going to do it, probably a good time will be a little bit later than Zen4 V-Cache introduction in order to alleviate some of the CPU bottlenecks.

 

[mb194dc]

Who would be comparing a RX6800 against a RTX 3090Ti though realistically it's not like those two GPU's are even priced remotely the same. If anything you'd be comparing a RX6950XT against RTX 3090Ti or RTX 3090. Something like a GTX 2060 12GB compared with a RX6600 is pretty fair comparison given the close pricing between the two.

Probably mean 6800xt, will do 4k at 60fps plus in almost all games without RT.

6800xt can be pushed to 2.5ghz at 320w power limit. At least in synthetic bench will give 10-20% extra.

From a playability perspective little difference between them.

 

[ARF]

Well, the performance difference between RX 6800 and RX 6800 XT is 15% but indeed the RX 6800 with only 3840 shaders out of the 5120 available on the die is too much cut-off.

You can go further down even to RX 6700 XT, but the performance difference becomes really noticeable.
Actually, the RX 6800 XT looks so bad to the newly available RTX 4090, in absolutely the same way the RX 6700 XT was a no-go compared to RX 6800 XT.

 

[HTC]

AMD is in an unique position to cripple nVidia's 30XX and 40XX sales: all they have to do is to have their next generation cards priced "more consumer friendly", and nVidia will lose millions.

While such a move would mean lower margins for AMD too, it would also have the effect of increasing their sales across the board.

 

[HD64G]

Imho, the fastest Navi3X GPU will not get so close to 4GHz at stock gaming clocks (3,5-3,6GHz) and maybe at 3,8-3,9GHz when oced.

 

[shovenose]

Probably mean 6800xt, will do 4k at 60fps plus in almost all games without RT.

6800xt can be pushed to 2.5ghz at 320w power limit. At least in synthetic bench will give 10-20% extra.

From a playability perspective little difference between them.

I want to upgrade my rx6600 because I’m getting a 4k monitor but none of these cards can play MSFS2020 at 4K/60 anyway so I’m not sure what to do.

 

[Dristun]

That's HXL, a long-time industry insider of two decades or so responsible for hundreds, maybe even thousands of accurate and verified leaks over the years.

If I had to guess, they work high-level at Sapphire or Powercolor based on their info from VR-Zone back in the day.

Didn't know, thanks for the info.

 

[ARF]

I want to upgrade my rx6600 because I’m getting a 4k monitor but none of these cards can play MSFS2020 at 4K/60 anyway so I’m not sure what to do.

You need a card from the upcoming generation of which the RTX 4090 was the first swallow.

 

[shovenose]

You need a card from the upcoming generation of which the RTX 4090 was the first swallow.

I honestly can't justify the price tag of getting the latest and greatest GPU when it would require me to completely upgrade my system. As I'm only on an i5-11600K, 16GB of RAM, and a 550W PSU. I'd need at minimum the best CPU available for my motherboard, swap out the RAM for 32GB, and upgrade my power supply. And even then I'm on a platform that isn't the latest and greatest.

Thankfully MSFS2020 is going to get FSR2 in November and if it works OK I can either keep the RX6600 or get a used RDNA2 card like an RX6800 once RDNA3 comes out. Or even buy a mid-tier RDNA3 card.

 

[ARF]

I honestly can't justify the price tag of getting the latest and greatest GPU when it would require me to completely upgrade my system. As I'm only on an i5-11600K, 16GB of RAM, and a 550W PSU. I'd need at minimum the best CPU available for my motherboard, swap out the RAM for 32GB, and upgrade my power supply. And even then I'm on a platform that isn't the latest and greatest.

Thankfully MSFS2020 is going to get FSR2 in November and if it works OK I can either keep the RX6600 or get a used RDNA2 card like an RX6800 once RDNA3 comes out. Or even buy a mid-tier RDNA3 card.

You only need a card with a new RDNA 3 architecture which is more efficient. So, you need something like Radeon RX 7700 XT.
And don't change the CPU for 4K gaming - yours is ok.

 

[shovenose]

You only need a card with a new RDNA 3 architecture which is more efficient. So, you need something like Radeon RX 7700 XT.
And don't change the CPU for 4K gaming - yours is ok.

Thank you, yes I will hold out for RDNA3 to either get a mid range model there or get a better price on a used RDNA2.

As for my CPU, I worry, MSFS2020 is hard on the system. I would hate to buy a new GPU just to get lousy performance.

 

[mama]

Thank you, yes I will hold out for RDNA3 to either get a mid range model there or get a better price on a used RDNA2.

As for my CPU, I worry, MSFS2020 is hard on the system. I would hate to buy a new GPU just to get lousy performance.

Your performance will improve dramatically with the GPU upgrade. The CPU won't hold you back much.

 

[Ruru]

I really don't understand nvidia. It's probably the only company that thinks about brute force and maximum frames per second, and everything else being secondary. Its business model rotates around that "moar frames, moar frames", no matter what.

I still remember back in 2010 when GF100 was (literally) the hottest thing ever and oh boy it was criticized. Now they don't even care anymore when 300+ Watts TDP is perfectly normal.

 

[ARF]

I still remember back in 2010 when GF100 was (literally) the hottest thing ever and oh boy it was criticized. Now they don't even care anymore when 300+ Watts TDP is perfectly normal.

At least nvidia learnt not to make cards which explode.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

At least nvidia learnt not to make cards which explode.

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the Quadro cards still use a blower style fan & a properly designed heatsink for the amount of heat they put out.
The only thing A.I.B's have done is made that chunk of copper/aluinuim larger & heavier with these side vent disigns.

 

[ARF]

Good news, can't wait for the release. Has the potential to shake the graphics card market upside down.

AMD RDNA 3 "Radeon RX 7000" GPU With 2x Raster & Over 2x RT Performance?

AMD RDNA 3 "Navi 31" Rumors: Radeon RX 7000 Flagship With AIBs, 2x Faster Raster & Over 2x Ray Tracing Improvement (wccftech.com)

 

[3x0]

Yeah, and here's hoping it's not the same 2x when it comes to pricing.

 

[dgianstefani]

100%.
Even more so, because people say that you don't notice the FPS difference between, let's say, Radeon RX 6800 and GeForce RTX 3090 Ti.
Despite the latter being slightly faster, the performance difference is not large enough to make the user experience better.

You have an 8K resolution profile picture and legitimately believe the 3090 Ti is only "slightly faster" than a RX 6800 and the difference won't make the user experience better?

It's 30% faster than the 6800 at 4K, and probably more at higher resolutions.

That's without factoring in RT or any of the other specialised hardware NVIDIA puts in their chips that isn't pure raster.

 

[ARF]

You have an 8K resolution profile picture and legitimately believe the 3090 Ti is only "slightly faster" than a RX 6800 and the difference won't make the user experience better?

It's 30% faster than the 6800 at 4K, and probably more at higher resolutions.

That's without factoring in RT or any of the other specialised hardware NVIDIA puts in their chips that isn't pure raster.

The RX 6800 can run at lowered settings much faster than RTX 3090 Ti. It is relative in people's eyes.
Maxed out settings are stupid most of the time. Because they don't add any meaningful visual improvement while the decrease in the frame rate can be very significant.

Yeah, and here's hoping it's not the same 2x when it comes to pricing.

The 6950 XT runs for as high as 910 euro. Double that would be around 2000 euro, I doubt that the card will be bought by anyone if so.

 

[ModEl4]

The RX 6800 can run at lowered settings much faster than RTX 3090 Ti. It is relative in people's eyes.

If you lower the settings from Ultra/high to Medium/Low, especially in this comparison Navi21 gains more than AD102 but is to be expected since shading's infrastructure utilisation go down and Navi21 has much higher theoretical pixel fillrate/TF32 ratio than AD102 and also it has better behaviour on lower resolutions (but is to be expected again, RX6800 probably is 3 SE and 3090Ti is 7GPC, as you go down in resolution the most parallelized design lose more potential due to latency needed to extract good parallelized utilisation since the render times for each frame is getting smaller as you go down in res)
But if you say that RX6800 is on average faster in 1080p mid/low for example, it is misleading and also meaningless for the tier of these cards.

 

[ARF]

The mobile RX 7900M at 150-ish watts will perform around the 335-watt Radeon RX 6950 XT.

There will be 20 GB desktop Radeon RX 7900s.

Earlier reports from RedGamingTech admitted the existence of two models higher than the Radeon RX 7900 XT; WCCFTech already talks about only one (which may be related to the fact that the Radeon RX 7900 XT gets more active computing blocks and the space for more powerful models is thus reduced). Radeon RX 7900 XT should achieve ~2x higher performance in rasterization than Radeon RX 69×0 XT.

The second message concerns the offer of mobile graphics for next year. According to leaker Greymon55 (who has already deleted some of his Twitter messages), the mobile Radeon would have a built-in core Navi 32 should reach the performance of the 335W desktop Radeon RX 6950 XT. Lekaer Bondrewd claims that a TDP of 150 watts ±15 W is tentatively calculated. Which would mean a power efficiency shift of more than 2.2x when comparing the two models. However, it should be remembered that we are comparing a desktop card of one generation and a mobile card of another, so when comparing two desktop or two mobile products, the intergenerational difference will not be nearly as big (for 5nm GPU Navi 31/32 about 1.6-1.7× is expected; at 6 nm Navi 33 a little over 1.5×).

GPU Navi 32 should be released as the last of the trio of expected models. Introduction Navi 31 is expected on November 3rd with availability not too long after, Navi 33 it will follow in January at CES 2023 and later in the first half of the year it will come to Navi 32. While Navi 31 will be desktop, Navi 32 a 33 they emphasize the mobile segment, although they also reach the desktop.

RDNA 3 News: Mobile ~150W Navi 32 with RX 6950 XT and 20GB RX 7900 XT (tekdeeps.com)

 

[igralec84]

Incredible that nothing has been leaked yet, like 3Dmark results.

Hoping for a release in November, can't remember how long after the announcement it took for the 6xxxXT cards to start selling to bots and scalpers.