DDR4 3200 Hynix or Micron?

[Butrus]

Hi!

I intend to buy a Kingston-branded DDR4 3200 CL22 memory. There are 2 variants available which both has the exactly same parameters (according to the datashit), the only difference being Hynix vs. Micron chips. Hynix is about 5-10€ cheaper (but that may be due to other factors).
I intend to try to do a slight OC eventually.

Is there a reason to go for Micron rather then Hynix?

The target is AMD Ryzen 5000 series.

 

[Cowboystrekk]

Hi!

I intend to buy a Kingston-branded DDR4 3200 CL22 memory. There are 2 variants available which both has the exactly same parameters (according to the datashit), the only difference being Hynix vs. Micron chips. Hynix is about 5-10€ cheaper (but that may be due to other factors).
I intend to try to do a slight OC eventually.

Is there a reason to go for Micron rather then Hynix?

The target is AMD Ryzen 5000 series.

Find out which die it is. If it is Micron rev E or B then they are good, if the are Hynix C or D they are good, they can be Hynix A which are garbage.

 

[The King]

Are those DIMMS for a laptop. SODIMM?

3200 CL22 is very slow for Desktop PC. I would not buy that if we talking about that.

On most Laptops you cant OC the RAM. Some high end ones do have some options but in general most laptops can't OC RAM.

 

[Butrus]

Are those DIMMS for a laptop. SODIMM?

DIMMs (but irrelevant).

3200 CL22 is very slow for Desktop PC. I would not buy that if we talking about that.

These are the highest that exists in that class (apart from some stupid Mushkin nonsense).

On most Laptops you cant OC the RAM. Some high end ones do have some options but in general most laptops can't OC RAM.

It's desktop, of course.

Find out which die it is. If it is Micron rev E or B then they are good, if the are Hynix C or D they are good, they can be Hynix A which are garbage.

Oh, I thought it was not in the datasheet but I was just blind.
It is Hynix = C vs. Micron = E.

 

[The King]

Usually 3200 CL22 is used on most Laptops running Ryzen 4000/5000 series.

3200 CL22 should work on a Desktop PC but I certainly won't recommend that be used on a Ryzen 5000 series desktop CPU.

Is there no 3200 CL16 option available? Are you buying these online or link to a website? Amazon?

 

[Butrus]

Usually 3200 CL22 is used on most Laptops running Ryzen 4000/5000.

Again, please learn to read before starting to write.
It's a DESKTOP!

It will work on a Desktop Pc but I certainly wont recommend that be used on a Ryzen 5000 series desktop CPU.

There exists no DDR4 sticks of that kind I need with clock > 3200 (apart from Mushkin Redline ECC Black DDR4-3600 C16, which is only 16GB while I need 32GB).

And, of course, you are not answering my question AT ALL!

Is there no 3200 CL16 option available? Are you buying these online or link to a website? Amazon?

No.
There is only Mushkin Redline ECC Black DDR4-3600 C16,
but it is only 16GB and I need 32GB, so I would have to buy 4x of these and would be unable to upgrade to 4x32GB=128GB in the future if I really need it...

 

[The King]

Dont foget to check your motherboard QVL list before buying RAM some boards may not even boot with 3200 CL 22

Good Luck! , Thread unwatched.

 

[Butrus]

Just for the record: I'm choosing between KSM32ED8/32HC and KSM32ED8/32MC. If you know anything better in that class (but not for 2x the price), let me know!

Good Luck! , Thread unwatched.

I'm really glad!

If someone cannot comprehend that there are people who want ECC I don't think any discussion makes any sense...

 

[Cowboystrekk]

DIMMs (but irrelevant).



These are the highest that exists in that class (apart from some stupid Mushkin nonsense).



It's desktop, of course.



Oh, I thought it was not in the datasheet but I was just blind.
It is Hynix = C vs. Micron = E.

Micron rev E is slightly better, but only by a few percent. I would go Hynix due to price.

 

[Lei]

Micron rev E is slightly better, but only by a few percent. I would go Hynix due to price.

Hynix is Korea and it has butterfly on it

 

[Cowboystrekk]

Hynix is Korea and it has butterfly on it

Then go Hynix! Who doesn't want butterflies?

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi!

I intend to buy a Kingston-branded DDR4 3200 CL22 memory. There are 2 variants available which both has the exactly same parameters (according to the datashit), the only difference being Hynix vs. Micron chips. Hynix is about 5-10€ cheaper (but that may be due to other factors).
I intend to try to do a slight OC eventually.

Is there a reason to go for Micron rather then Hynix?

The target is AMD Ryzen 5000 series.

Hi,
Don't get anything higher than cl16 on 3200.

Don't mix memory buy it all now as a kit.

 

[Butrus]

Hi,
Don't get anything higher than cl16 on 3200.

Again and again. Where do you find an ECC DDR4, 32GB per stick at >3200 or <CL22 ?

 

[tabascosauz]

Again and again. Where do you find an ECC DDR4, 32GB per stick at >3200 or <CL22 ?

Absolutely nowhere in the OP did you mention ECC. Kingston sells plenty of regular non-ECC 3200CL22 too.

iirc ECC uses the same DDR4 ICs, just rated conservatively. I've never seen ECC that isn't JEDEC, so you probably won't find any faster than 3200CL22. Doesn't mean that you can't potentially OC, just that JEDEC only exists up to 3200.

 

[Butrus]

Absolutely nowhere in the OP did you mention ECC.

Why should have I? I just asked about the differences between chips from two different manufacturers. Everything else is irrelevant.

I just don't know why people start to persuade me to do X and not to do Y which is completely irrelevat to I was asking for!

I don't want to hear anyones opinion on what they think I should do or what the weather will be or any other completely unconnected and irrelevant to the original question!

iirc ECC uses the same DDR4 ICs, just rated conservatively. I've never seen ECC that isn't JEDEC, so you probably won't find any faster than 3200CL22. Doesn't mean that you can't potentially OC, just that JEDEC only exists up to 3200.

Now, that's indeed an interesting question. However I'm quite sceptical whether it will be possible to overclock it to any significant degree. I will try, anyway. (The good thing with ECC is that you will start to see errors in the log before the system crashes...)

BTW, It would be interesting to take an ECC module and replace the chips with better ones (like Hynix B-die?) from a non-ECC module - and then reprogramm the EEPROM on that module...

Micron rev E is slightly better, but only by a few percent. I would go Hynix due to price.

OK, thanks!

Can you point me to a resource about die revisions of different manufacturers?

 

[maxfly]

Why should have I? I just asked about the differences between chips from two different manufacturers. Everything else is irrelevant.

I just don't know why people start to persuade me to do X and not to do Y which is completely irrelevat to I was asking for!

I don't want to hear anyones opinion on what they think I should do or what the weather will be or any other completely unconnected and irrelevant to the original question!



Now, that's indeed an interesting question. However I'm quite sceptical whether it will be possible to overclock it to any significant degree. I will try, anyway. (The good thing with ECC is that you will start to see errors in the log before the system crashes...)

BTW, It would be interesting to take an ECC module and replace the chips with better ones (like Hynix B-die?) from a non-ECC module - and then reprogramm the EEPROM on that module...

Everything is relevant when your asking advice of others. Opinions are the ONLY thing you will get when asking vague questions on a forum.

Way to introduce yourself to the forum btw

 

[Butrus]

Everything is relevant when your asking advice of others. Opinions are the ONLY thing you will get when asking vague questions on a forum.

The question was not vague. Read it again, please. I just wanted to hear "Hynix" or "Micron". It was a very exact question (apart from that I didn't realize at the beginning where to find an info about which rev the chips were). And the answer would be very simple too. Either "Hynix" or "Micron"...

I didn't want to hear any opinion about what freq I should have or latency or anything else. Those are just completely irrelevant to my question and people are just wasting time with such a nonsense...

 

[ThrashZone]

Again and again. Where do you find an ECC DDR4, 32GB per stick at >3200 or <CL22 ?

Hi,
Didn't post which region you're in
Couple here cl18 little pricey but at least they are kits

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-PC4-25600-Desktop-Memory/dp/B085WQXKM2?th=1

3600c18 likely the best kit

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-4x32GB-PC4-28800-Desktop/dp/B083JVJYMG/ref=psdc_172500_t2_B085WQXKM2

 

[tabascosauz]

The question was not vague. Read it again, please. I just wanted to hear "Hynix" or "Micron". It was a very exact question (apart from that I didn't realize at the beginning where to find an info about which rev the chips were). And the answer would be very simple too. Either "Hynix" or "Micron"...

I didn't want to hear any opinion about what freq I should have or latency or anything else. Those are just completely irrelevant to my question and people are just wasting time with such a nonsense...

The way you posed the question, it's not possible to provide a well reasoned answer. Can't just vaguely pick and choose between two memory makers without knowing what you're buying.

Like any other manufacturer, Hynix ranges from utter garbage (4Gb AFR(?), 8Gb JJR) to lackluster (16Gb MJR) to good value (8Gb CJR, 16Gb CJR(?)) to one of the best DDR4 OCers money can buy (8Gb DJR).

You also need to make sure of the density. On the 3200CL22 list for Kingston I only see 16Gb CJR for Hynix. It's a new chip and is not quite the same as the ubiquitous 8Gb CJR. @ir_cow did a recent review on Intel (Forza kit??) that had 16Gb CJR, primary timings looked somewhere between CJR and DJR but other details are scarce.

Between Hynix 8Gb CJR and Micron 8Gb Rev.E, the latter has a lot more absolute OC headroom (probably irrelevant if ECC), but at the same speed CJR usually tightens up better than Rev.E. Only a slight difference, however.

Hi,
Didn't post which region you're in
Couple here cl18 little pricey but at least they are kits

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-PC4-25600-Desktop-Memory/dp/B085WQXKM2?th=1

3600c18 likely the best kit

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-4x32GB-PC4-28800-Desktop/dp/B083JVJYMG/ref=psdc_172500_t2_B085WQXKM2

That ain't ECC

 

[ThrashZone]

The way you posed the question, it's not possible to provide a well reasoned answer. Can't just vaguely pick and choose between two memory makers without knowing what you're buying.

The part numbers you provided are useless. Kingston doesn't manufacture ICs, it just rebrands them, and its numbers don't help identify what Hynix or Micron part is really used.

Like any other manufacturer, Hynix ranges from utter garbage (4Gb AFR(?), 8Gb JJR) to lackluster (16Gb MJR) to good value (8Gb CJR, 16Gb CJR(?)) to one of the best DDR4 OCers money can buy (8Gb DJR).

Between Hynix CJR and Micron E, the latter has a lot more absolute OC headroom (probably irrelevant if ECC), but at the same speed CJR usually tightens up better than Rev.E. Only a slight difference, however.



That ain't ECC

Hi,
Seen lots of people using non-ecc memory on 5k amd "you included" so not sure why op needs it.

 

[A Computer Guy]

Hi!

I intend to buy a Kingston-branded DDR4 3200 CL22 memory. There are 2 variants available which both has the exactly same parameters (according to the datashit), the only difference being Hynix vs. Micron chips. Hynix is about 5-10€ cheaper (but that may be due to other factors).
I intend to try to do a slight OC eventually.

Is there a reason to go for Micron rather then Hynix?

The target is AMD Ryzen 5000 series.

Been following the thread a bit. I've had some ok experiences with Micron ECC (can't speak to Hynix ECC) but so far have NOT been able to push them beyond DDR4-3200 successfully. Admittedly I tend to only go for the easy overclocks with the common bumps in voltages since I don't have a lot of time for testing these days but I do wonder if I really were able to put the time in if I might be able to push them to do DDR4-3400 or DDR4-3600.

In terms of my limited experience with the Micron chips

I've been able to OC Crucial DDR4-2666 CL19 ECC (2 & 4 individual dimms 32GB/64GB) to DDR4-3200 @ CL20 (maybe as low as CL18? I forgot) but not beyond DDR4-3200 successfully. Currently going for $75 USD per 16GB dimm on newegg but tends to fluctuate between $80 and $110 from when I used to monitor that for pricing.

Using Nemix DDR4-3200 PC4-25600 ECC (2 dimm, 64GB kit) that also happened to be Micron chips in my case I still couldn't manage to get them to run faster that DDR4-3200 successfully but I was able to drive them down from CL22 to CL18 (maybe as low as CL16? I forgot) and that is just so happens to be on sale for $288 right now (I think I got them at $350-ish at the time with a plan to eventually get a total of 128GB, 4 dimms, if the price dropped low enough)

I ran both on my 5950x, currently the Nemix. If you want I can try to find and post IC part numbers and newegg links if that might help. Of course the rub is in both cases there is no guarantee you will get the same IC parts that I got. In fact with the DDR4-2666 when I ordered 2 of 8 were a different micron IC. With respect to the Nemix ram I get the feeling you could literally get anything (a bit more of a gamble) so maybe another established name brand is a better way to go even if it's a bit more expensive especially if it comes in a matching kit.

Looking up Mushkin Redline ECC Black DDR4-3600 C16 that you mentioned (I had no idea this existed) I found this review ($236.50)

Mushkin Redline ECC Black DDR4-3600 C16 Review: Overclocked ECC Performer

Want fast ECC DDR4 RAM? Mushkin is your guy.

www.tomshardware.com

Per the article:

• "...The memory modules run at DDR4-2666 at 19-19-19-43 natively." that does make me think they might be Micron chips (because those timings match my Crucial dimms but probably a bad assumption)
• "... the XMP profile will configure them for DDR4-3600 with 16-19-19-39 timings and a 1.4V DRAM voltage." gives me an idea if I were to push my Microns a bit harder I might be able to OC them to DDR4-3600.

(edit)

I'm going to walk back my fantasy about OC'ing my Microns a bit harder as I just realized the TH article above on the Mushkin ram was reviewing single-rank kit, the Crucial and Nemix modules I have are all dual rank modules. I don't want to create/suggest any unrealistic expectations.

 

[Cowboystrekk]

Why should have I? I just asked about the differences between chips from two different manufacturers. Everything else is irrelevant.

I just don't know why people start to persuade me to do X and not to do Y which is completely irrelevat to I was asking for!

I don't want to hear anyones opinion on what they think I should do or what the weather will be or any other completely unconnected and irrelevant to the original question!



Now, that's indeed an interesting question. However I'm quite sceptical whether it will be possible to overclock it to any significant degree. I will try, anyway. (The good thing with ECC is that you will start to see errors in the log before the system crashes...)

BTW, It would be interesting to take an ECC module and replace the chips with better ones (like Hynix B-die?) from a non-ECC module - and then reprogramm the EEPROM on that module...



OK, thanks!

Can you point me to a resource about die revisions of different manufacturers?

I have none at hand now, I have just tweaked a lot of setups and know several of the die revs quite well. Just tell when you get the ram and I can help you tune if you'd like?

 

[A Computer Guy]

I have none at hand now, I have just tweaked a lot of setups and know several of the die revs quite well. Just tell when you get the ram and I can help you tune if you'd like?

I'd be willing to hear any OC advice you might have for the Nemix kit I have listed below. I think it's Micron rev E but I could be wrong.

Nemix 64GB Unbuffered ECC kit
( 32GB modules, 2Rx8, DDR4-3200, CL22, 1.2v )
Chips that came on my modules: OTE75-D9ZFV

FBGA & part decoder

Micron's FBGA Parts Decoder tool simplifies the identification of Micron semiconductor components

www.micron.com

part no: MT40A2G8JC-062E:E

https://media-www.micron.com/-/media/client/global/documents/products/data-sheet/dram/ddr4/16gb_ddr4_sdram.pdf?rev=bbe79ab4b3f547e08817f6ede1850c50

From notes I previously posted some time ago I seem to have had a difficult time with DDR4-3400 so I was trying to go the other way and improve the timings at DDR4-3200.
This is as far as I got before I got too busy to fully validate for stability.
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...ing-or-busted-custom-loop.297316/post-4808626
(the link should take you to the part of the post with the screen shot of the ram and spreadsheet of memory settings)

 

[sneekypeet]

Let me be the bearer of bluntness.

AMD offers ECC already, you do not need ECC RAM to take advantage of that.

Secondly, both sets of RAM you want, or listed in the OP, are complete shit as far as what that CPU wants for performance.

This is why you are getting flack from members, as they are trying to redirect your thoughts and put you in a better possition overall.

Unless this is for production purposes only, I would not bother.

 

[A Computer Guy]

AMD offers ECC already, you do not need ECC RAM to take advantage of that.

I've never seen a statement like that before. Can you elaborate on this further?