AMD Refutes Reports of Ryzen 7000 Performance Inconsistencies Between Windows 11 and Windows 10

[ARF]

My home theater PC still runs 7, because Microsoft abandoned Media Center in 10/11. One of these days, I'll have to bite the upgrade bullet, but my family will hang onto W7MC for as long as they can.

Why do you need to touch something that works? Keep the Windows 7 system.

 

[mechtech]

You should think that AMD has done a lot of testing on windows, windows gaming....No?

Intel/AMD can’t stop MS from making constant changes to their OS though. I’ve seen a ton of weird stuff. When that happens typically the fastest fix is a wipe and fresh install. I’ve also noticed doing a factory reset in bios sometimes helps. Seems all these things and changes seem intertwined a lot more now then they used to be.

 

[efikkan]

I do hope AMD got a lot more specific bug reports than this. The description can fit just about anything.

And I do hope people have tried closing their web browser, AV, etc.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

I do hope AMD got a lot more specific bug reports than this. The description can fit just about anything.

And I do hope people have tried closing their web browser, AV, etc.

Well, if its like the AM4 USB bug, or the rDNA downclocking bug, or the blackscreen bug, ece then; if it is AMD; they will refute its existence until the wider tech media pick up the story, then suddenly AMD will go "oh well we're aware of the issue" and a fix will be issued shortly after.

That being said, this is unlikely to be AMD and more Microsoft's complete and utter lack of any sort of QA striking yet again, which will take a year + to fix and break twice as much in the process.

 

[ThrashZone]

My home theater PC still runs 7, because Microsoft abandoned Media Center in 10/11. One of these days, I'll have to bite the upgrade bullet, but my family will hang onto W7MC for as long as they can.

Hi,
Yeah you can use media center on 10 or 11 but ms keeps breaking it.

 

[Mac the Geek]

Maybe keep an eye on this thread: https://www.elevenforum.com/t/using-windows-media-center-in-windows-11-yes-you-can.3168/

Bookmarked. Thank you!

Why do you need to touch something that works? Keep the Windows 7 system.

I plan on keeping Win7 on the HTPC for as long as the hardware holds out. But I know that its day is coming; it's 13 years old. (Athlon X4, DDR3, etc.) At some point, it's going to wear out. (I thought I was at that point last year, but it was just the CPU fan that died, and the auto shutoff kept the processor from frying itself.) I have not put serious thought into its future replacement yet, either hardware or software; but I know that I'll have to at some point. Until then, W7MC works just fine.

 

[ARF]

Bookmarked. Thank you!



I plan on keeping Win7 on the HTPC for as long as the hardware holds out. But I know that its day is coming; it's 13 years old. (Athlon X4, DDR3, etc.) At some point, it's going to wear out. (I thought I was at that point last year, but it was just the CPU fan that died, and the auto shutoff kept the processor from frying itself.) I have not put serious thought into its future replacement yet, either hardware or software; but I know that I'll have to at some point. Until then, W7MC works just fine.

I have a running Windows 7 with Athlon 64 X2 from 2006 - 16 years old. And do not plan to switch to something else in the future. If something happens, will think - maybe I will be able to buy a new s. 939 board, or a new Athlon CPU, etc...

 

[efikkan]

Well, if its like the AM4 USB bug, or the rDNA downclocking bug, or the blackscreen bug, ece then; if it is AMD; they will refute its existence until the wider tech media pick up the story, then suddenly AMD will go "oh well we're aware of the issue" and a fix will be issued shortly after.

That being said, this is unlikely to be AMD and more Microsoft's complete and utter lack of any sort of QA striking yet again, which will take a year + to fix and break twice as much in the process.

I don't think AMD is alone in trying to deny bugs as long as possible, I think they all do that if they think they can get away with it.
But regardless, having precise error reports and steps to reproduce is essential to narrow down and identify a problem. Unfortunately, users are notoriously bad at describing technical problems with the right details. But I have no basis yet to conclude in this specific case.

And it's quite possible that there could be a real hardware bug somewhere. Just because a specific software combination more easily trigger a problem doesn't mean the problem lies in the software. One such case was the uop-cache corruption in Zen1(not +) which AMD dismissed as a "Linux error" and a "yield issue", even though it wasn't the case.

I plan on keeping Win7 on the HTPC for as long as the hardware holds out. But I know that its day is coming; it's 13 years old. (Athlon X4, DDR3, etc.) At some point, it's going to wear out.

Have you considered going penguin?

I have a running Windows 7 with Athlon 64 X2 from 2006 - 16 years old. And do not plan to switch to something else in the future. If something happens, will think - maybe I will be able to buy a new s. 939 board, or a new Athlon CPU, etc...

Not as your only system I hope?

 

[ARF]

Not as your only system I hope?

My main system is AM4 Windows 11, Ryzen 9 5900X, 32 GB DDR4-3200, PCIe 3.0 x4 SSD, MSI X570 Tomahawk which got broken with one of the latest Windows updates and I don't get sound now. Reinstalled the Realtek audio drivers - nothing at all.
In the future when I buy a new GFX Radeon 7000 (once they get released and have money), I will have to install a fresh Windows 11 but if the problem with the sound persists, I will be forced to look for a more aggressive solution - either to get Windows 10, or if that doesn't work also, get rid of the AMD system.

 

[efikkan]

My main system is AM4 Windows 11, Ryzen 9 5900X, 32 GB DDR4-3200, PCIe 3.0 x4 SSD, MSI X570 Tomahawk which got broken with one of the latest Windows updates and I don't get sound now. Reinstalled the Realtek audio drivers - nothing at all.
In the future when I buy a new GFX Radeon 7000 (once they get released and have money), I will have to install a fresh Windows 11 but if the problem with the sound persists, I will be forced to look for a more aggressive solution - either to get Windows 10, or if that doesn't work also, get rid of the AMD system.

I'm not so sure switching to a non-AMD system will solve your problems.

Spoiler

Do you perchance have access to an external DAC?
(That will uncover if it's a driver issue or audio in general)
Running an external DAC (which is just a standard USB audio device) is what I recommend doing anyways, as the audio quality is superior, and there are so many affordable ones to choose from. Just pick one with a good volume knob and the IO you need.

 

[Minus Infinity]

Windows 11 is still in beta as far as I'm concerned, even basic things like menus are not ready.

Oh wow, it's finally reached beta, when did that happen? Flying under the radar

 

[Mussels]

Either they're really daft, or something else is screwing with the people who ARE seeing the problems (like a 22H2 update bug or nvidia driver conflict)

My main system is AM4 Windows 11, Ryzen 9 5900X, 32 GB DDR4-3200, PCIe 3.0 x4 SSD, MSI X570 Tomahawk which got broken with one of the latest Windows updates and I don't get sound now. Reinstalled the Realtek audio drivers - nothing at all.
In the future when I buy a new GFX Radeon 7000 (once they get released and have money), I will have to install a fresh Windows 11 but if the problem with the sound persists, I will be forced to look for a more aggressive solution - either to get Windows 10, or if that doesn't work also, get rid of the AMD system.

Thats not a windows 11 bug

that's a "You've got something set up wrong" bug

 

[ValenOne]

Yes they'll probably figure out it effects Zen 3 and Zen 4... Turning off the second CCD might also improve performance on both 10 and 11...

Likely these bugs jus get noticed now as people paying more attention due to the new launch.

Use Process Lasso or apply Intel Aldertake's Windows scheduler that keeps games towards the 1st 8 P-cores.

AMD should modify Ryzen Master to include features from Process Lasso.

 

[Mussels]

Use Process Lasso or apply Intel Aldertake's Windows scheduler that keeps games towards the 1st 8 P-cores.

AMD should modify Ryzen Master to include features from Process Lasso.

'game mode' would be epic if it could push games onto the faster CCX and windows processes onto the secondary/tertiary

 

[Scrizz]

I haven't had any issues with Windows 11. It actually runs faster for me than 10. I didn't have issues with 10 either...

 

[Dudi1981]

The recipe for playing in 8k w
Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate (64-bit)

ROG-STRIX-RTX3090-O24G-GAMING
https://rog.asus.com/graphics-cards/graphics-cards/rog-strix/rog-strix-rtx3090-o24g-gaming-model/
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-3090.c3622
NEW NIVIDIA DRIVERS (NIVIDIA 473.81) / Win7 64
TV 85 ”QN900A Samsung Neo QLED 8K Smart TV and cable Austere VII (7) Series 8K HDMI Cable, 2.5m
980 PRO PCIe 4.0 NVMe® SSD 2TB
Samsung 980 Pro M.2 2TB M.2 Heatsink
I have Samsung Magician Software version 7.2 installed
5B2Q firmware
NVMe driver - Microsoft
PCIe Gen 3X4 interface
last benchmark Results 2022 - 03 - 08 11:50:25
The first disk
SSD NVMe Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB
sequential read 3938 MB / s
sequental Write 3899 MB / s
temperature 44 degree
Second drive
SSD NVMe Samsung 980 Pro Heatsink 2 TB
sequential read 3,952 MB / s
sequental Write 3911 MB / s
temperature 42 degree
https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/memory-storage/solid-state-drives/980-pro-pcie-4-0-nvme-ssd-2tb-mz-v8p2t0b-am/
GA-Z170X-Gaming G1 motherboard (rev. 1.0)
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-Z170X-Gaming-G1-rev-10#ov
G.SKIL ram computer
F4-3733C17Q-64GTZSW (EOL)
Trident Z
DDR4-3733MHz CL17-19-19-39 1.35V
64GB (4x16GB)
https://www.gskill.com/qvl/165/168/1536287813/F4-3733C17Q-64GTZSW-(EOL)-Qvl
Processor
Intel® Core ™ i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz
Audio
USB Audio Class 1.0 and 2.0 Device Driver
NVIDIA High Definition Audio
Sound Blaster ZxRi
Networking and I / O
Killer Wireless-n / a / ac 1535 Wireless Network Adapter
Microsoft Virtual WiFi Miniport Adapter
Killer E2400 Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Killer E2400 Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Tpm2 (Trusted Platform Module 2.0) installed
The computer does not meet the requirements of Win 11

 

[L'Eliminateur]

The recipe for playing in 8k w
Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate (64-bit)
ROG-STRIX-RTX3090-O24G-GAMING
https://rog.asus.com/graphics-cards/graphics-cards/rog-strix/rog-strix-rtx3090-o24g-gaming-model/
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-3090.c3622
NEW NIVIDIA DRIVERS (NIVIDIA 473.81) / Win7 64
TV 85 ”QN900A Samsung Neo QLED 8K Smart TV and cable Austere VII (7) Series 8K HDMI Cable, 2.5m
980 PRO PCIe 4.0 NVMe® SSD 2TB
Samsung 980 Pro M.2 2TB M.2 Heatsink
I have Samsung Magician Software version 7.2 installed
5B2Q firmware
NVMe driver - Microsoft
PCIe Gen 3X4 interface
last benchmark Results 2022 - 03 - 08 11:50:25
The first disk
SSD NVMe Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB
sequential read 3938 MB / s
sequental Write 3899 MB / s
temperature 44 degree
Second drive
SSD NVMe Samsung 980 Pro Heatsink 2 TB
sequential read 3,952 MB / s
sequental Write 3911 MB / s
temperature 42 degree
https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/memory-storage/solid-state-drives/980-pro-pcie-4-0-nvme-ssd-2tb-mz-v8p2t0b-am/
GA-Z170X-Gaming G1 motherboard (rev. 1.0)
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-Z170X-Gaming-G1-rev-10#ov
G.SKIL ram computer
F4-3733C17Q-64GTZSW (EOL)
Trident Z
DDR4-3733MHz CL17-19-19-39 1.35V
64GB (4x16GB)
https://www.gskill.com/qvl/165/168/1536287813/F4-3733C17Q-64GTZSW-(EOL)-Qvl
Processor
Intel® Core ™ i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz
Audio
USB Audio Class 1.0 and 2.0 Device Driver
NVIDIA High Definition Audio
Sound Blaster ZxRi
Networking and I / O
Killer Wireless-n / a / ac 1535 Wireless Network Adapter
Microsoft Virtual WiFi Miniport Adapter
Killer E2400 Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Killer E2400 Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Tpm2 (Trusted Platform Module 2.0) installed
The computer does not meet the requirements of Win 11

wrong thread mte, also huge photo....

 

[Dr. Dro]

Good, now fix the EDC bug on AM4, please?