RTX 4090 & 53 Games: Ryzen 7 5800X vs Ryzen 7 5800X3D

[Footman]

5800x3D isn't best at the higher FPS range. It's FPS lows that it excels at.

Does it as well as basically any CPU out right now as well.

100% the ONLY CPU I'd ever even call "Future Proof". It's like a 5775c on steroids.

You make an interesting point about the low FPS.

Techspot looked at the low 1% and found that compared to the 5800X:

Battlefield V ran significantly faster with the 5800X3D, boosting 1% lows by 33% at 1080p and the average frame rate by a whopping 41%. Even at 1440p, we're looking at a 30% improvement in 1% lows and a 21% increase for the average frame rate. Then at 4K, we're still looking at up to a 14% boost for the 3D V-Cache, an impressive set of results.

Difference between 133 and 173fps. As this is one of my most played games it is relevant.... However they were testing with a 3090Ti and I run my rig with 6700XT, so my differences will be a lot less.

 

[kapone32]

You make an interesting point about the low FPS.

Techspot looked at the low 1% and found that compared to the 5800X:

Battlefield V ran significantly faster with the 5800X3D, boosting 1% lows by 33% at 1080p and the average frame rate by a whopping 41%. Even at 1440p, we're looking at a 30% improvement in 1% lows and a 21% increase for the average frame rate. Then at 4K, we're still looking at up to a 14% boost for the 3D V-Cache, an impressive set of results.

Difference between 133 and 173fps. As this is one of my most played games it is relevant.... However they were testing with a 3090Ti and I run my rig with 6700XT, so my differences will be a lot less.

Not necessarily. The 5800X3D loves SAM on the 6000 series GPUs.

 

[Gica]

Why are you trying so hard? I did not even write one post about the 5800X3D until I got mine. Yes the price was too high but now is very attractive and that is why I say it is the best.

Do you have a 6500XT? If not you are just repeating what the narrative is. As I stated before I have never stated that the 6500XT is in the league of the 3060 but I guess that does not matter as you think that a 1660 destroys a 6500XT. Why are you focusing so intently on the 6500XT anyway? I know that I am quite happy with mine as I paid $215 CAD (vs 6600 for $599) for mine and regardless of your opinion that an encoder makes it useless is if you use it by itself without a CPU that actually has those instructions. Streaming? and no productivity (Do you mean making videos) because I would not have bought it for those purposes. When my main PC is in use I have no issue using my budget card in my budget PC. Please don't use the 3050 as that card is easily double the price of the 6500XT in Canada not a bit more expensive. If you actually owned one you would know what the actual biggest caveat it is not streaming.

I don't have the 6500XT, but I think you missed the general impression from the launch of this model. Impossible to find material to praise, only criticism. And you say that X3D brings a 30% average increase in the performance of this video card. Even an i3 10100 sleeps in games with 6500XT.
Without concrete proof, I don't think so. Can an RTX 3070Ti be turned into a 3080Ti if I replace the 11600KF with the 5800X3D?

 

[kapone32]

I don't have the 6500XT, but I think you missed the general imp2077ression from the launch of this model. Impossible to find material to praise, only criticism. And you say that X3D brings a 30% average increase in the performance of this video card. Even an i3 10100 sleeps in games with 6500XT.
Without concrete proof, I don't think so. Can an RTX 3070Ti be turned into a 3080Ti if I replace the 11600KF with the 5800X3D?

This is the issue I have with launch data. Many people will tout that and extrapolate what they will. The reviews are generally day one and rarely ever revisited months later. In the review of 6500XT on Techpowerup they described the issue with the encoder would be solved by the CPU but no one references that, only the negative. Now here is the caveat since you mentioned the 10100. In order to stretch the legs of the 6500XT you should use a Pcie 4 CPU. Lets keep in mind that the card is wired at x4. So when the 10100 is used you are restricting the card to 4 lanes of 3.0. That is why I would not use the 6500XT with a 5600/5700G CPU as those are 3.0 as well(I tried). Here is where you will see the difference. When you use a 4.0 CPU it runs at it's native 4.0 and even though it only has 4 lanes because it is 4.0 it actually gives you the bandwidth of 3.0 X 8 basically doubling the bandwidth. That is where you will see the 30% improvement as a card that is wired @ 64 bit needs as much bandwidth as it can get and would be affected by this. That is where the clock speed comes in. The 5600 is a perfect CPU to pair with it but the concrete proof I am trying to show you (User reviews) is plenty enough as only 2 types of people generally write reviews, those who love it and those who abhor it. So again as much as the narrative online may seem the the 6500XT is absolute Garbage the user reviews do not agree with that. Now I also have to remind you that online reviewers are not generally paying for the cards they review and when you spend your own money it more indicative of the actual way a person will feel about their purchase and not opinion. If you have a 4K TV in your living room that has HDMI 2.1 with VRR (Freesync support) a 6500XT will be butter smooth as the refresh range is 44-144 but that is the panel so when you set the resolution to 1080P it is butter smooth. That alone makes it better than the 570/1660. Now Games like CP 2077 that use tremendous amounts of VRAM will be slower so let's say 50 FPS with settings adjusted, will be so smooth that you will be in disbelief. The problem with modern benchmarks is they don't take into account VRR as it really does moot the FPS argument. Now if I am playing anything above 1080P I would not use the 6500Xt but my 6800XT handles that just fine. Everyone is not me though so I do agree that if you can afford it you should get something better but like I have said before the 6600M is probably the best price/performance GPU right now as it is cheaper than anything we have mentioned and is fully supported on desktop with drivers.

The 5800X3D should feel faster to you than the 11600K in some Games. Indeed with the improvement that V cache delivers you my feel that your 3070TI is a 3080 in some benchmarks but you are looking at cards that are 4000 cores apart from each other with a 50% difference in VRAM.

 

[Mussels]

5800x3D isn't best at the higher FPS range. It's FPS lows that it excels at.

Does it as well as basically any CPU out right now as well.

100% the ONLY CPU I'd ever even call "Future Proof". It's like a 5775c on steroids.

Good way to explain it. For some time it was great at being the top of FPS charts as well, but the new gen have outdone it there - at much higher wattages, but not always keeping those lows up

I'm expecting mine to age like the old i7 920 did, or the golden era K chips (2500k through 4790K) where owners of those are still able to game on them today

 

[Gica]

This is the issue I have with launch data. Many people will tout that and extrapolate what they will. The reviews are generally day one and rarely ever revisited months later. In the review of 6500XT on Techpowerup they described the issue with the encoder would be solved by the CPU but no one references that, only the negative. Now here is the caveat since you mentioned the 10100. In order to stretch the legs of the 6500XT you should use a Pcie 4 CPU. Lets keep in mind that the card is wired at x4. So when the 10100 is used you are restricting the card to 4 lanes of 3.0. That is why I would not use the 6500XT with a 5600/5700G CPU as those are 3.0 as well(I tried). Here is where you will see the difference. When you use a 4.0 CPU it runs at it's native 4.0 and even though it only has 4 lanes because it is 4.0 it actually gives you the bandwidth of 3.0 X 8 basically doubling the bandwidth. That is where you will see the 30% improvement as a card that is wired @ 64 bit needs as much bandwidth as it can get and would be affected by this. That is where the clock speed comes in. The 5600 is a perfect CPU to pair with it but the concrete proof I am trying to show you (User reviews) is plenty enough as only 2 types of people generally write reviews, those who love it and those who abhor it. So again as much as the narrative online may seem the the 6500XT is absolute Garbage the user reviews do not agree with that. Now I also have to remind you that online reviewers are not generally paying for the cards they review and when you spend your own money it more indicative of the actual way a person will feel about their purchase and not opinion. If you have a 4K TV in your living room that has HDMI 2.1 with VRR (Freesync support) a 6500XT will be butter smooth as the refresh range is 44-144 but that is the panel so when you set the resolution to 1080P it is butter smooth. That alone makes it better than the 570/1660. Now Games like CP 2077 that use tremendous amounts of VRAM will be slower so let's say 50 FPS with settings adjusted, will be so smooth that you will be in disbelief. The problem with modern benchmarks is they don't take into account VRR as it really does moot the FPS argument. Now if I am playing anything above 1080P I would not use the 6500Xt but my 6800XT handles that just fine. Everyone is not me though so I do agree that if you can afford it you should get something better but like I have said before the 6600M is probably the best price/performance GPU right now as it is cheaper than anything we have mentioned and is fully supported on desktop with drivers.

The 5800X3D should feel faster to you than the 11600K in some Games. Indeed with the improvement that V cache delivers you my feel that your 3070TI is a 3080 in some benchmarks but you are looking at cards that are 4000 cores apart from each other with a 50% difference in VRAM.

I used 10100 as a metaphor, in the idea that even a quad core is more than enough for the 6500XT. Even after the latest reviews, the 5800X3D is a processor that sits well next to top video cards, not next to low video cards. It can't help much because many operations when rendering a 3D scene are exclusively performed by the GPU.
The gaming reference tests for the processor are done at low resolutions because that way the video card renders more frames and the processor is used more intensively and you have a better idea of its performance in gaming. As the resolution increases, the video card renders fewer frames and the differences between the processors decrease, even to zero in 4K. Do you have any other explanation besides that the powerful processor waits for the video card and allows the weaker processor to almost match it? The processor just must not be weak and cause stuttering and real performance increases can only be brought by game developers and video card drivers, not by replacing a high-performance processor with another slightly higher-performance one.
You can take the igp performance (link) of the 7000 series as a benchmark (at Intel they are different because UHD 770 > UHD 630). So, zero differences with AMD from the same series (6, 8, 12, 16 cores) and with the same integrated graphics.

The only logical explanation that comes to mind is that, somehow, you had PCIe 3.0 set to the old processor. I don't see how a processor can bring 30% boost to this video card.

 

[kapone32]

I used 10100 as a metaphor, in the idea that even a quad core is more than enough for the 6500XT. Even after the latest reviews, the 5800X3D is a processor that sits well next to top video cards, not next to low video cards. It can't help much because many operations when rendering a 3D scene are exclusively performed by the GPU.
The gaming reference tests for the processor are done at low resolutions because that way the video card renders more frames and the processor is used more intensively and you have a better idea of its performance in gaming. As the resolution increases, the video card renders fewer frames and the differences between the processors decrease, even to zero in 4K. Do you have any other explanation besides that the powerful processor waits for the video card and allows the weaker processor to almost match it? The processor just must not be weak and cause stuttering and real performance increases can only be brought by game developers and video card drivers, not by replacing a high-performance processor with another slightly higher-performance one.
You can take the igp performance (link) of the 7000 series as a benchmark (at Intel they are different because UHD 770 > UHD 630). So, zero differences with AMD from the same series (6, 8, 12, 16 cores) and with the same integrated graphics.

The only logical explanation that comes to mind is that, somehow, you had PCIe 3.0 set to the old processor. I don't see how a processor can bring 30% boost to this video card.

That is because you don't have a V cache enabled CPU. What you don't understand is that I used a 5600G and 5900X to get my information. Single CCDs are better at Gaming than dual but because the PCie generations are different it did indeed provide that performance so I thought ok let's get a 5600 (as they are inexpensive) as the 5900X is a beast and sure enough the same thing vs the 5600G. I know that cards like the 6800XT or 3080 would not really show the same but you have to keep in mind that the 6500XT is starved vs those cards both in wiring and bandwidth. It cannot play 1440P well and should never be considered for that but 1080P all day is fine. Don't forget that there are also software innovations like FSR (Which is now on Version 3) anti lag and Enhanced Sync to help mitigate the gap as well. So when I got my X3D chip, I put it in my HTPC before my main rig and yes the 5800X3D made me smile in how a CPU upgrade could have an effect on Gaming at 1080P like a GPU upgrade. AMD will sell every 5800X3D they make. Do you know why the 7000 are not selling. Part of it is cost, part of it is power but a huge part of it is Intel deceptively showed that the 13th Gen is at best in Gaming as fast as the X3D chip and combined with the price drop it will have plenty singing about using the X3D chip with a 7000 series GPU around Xmas. Just look at how many supporters are singing the praises of X3D on this forum but I can understand your sentiment as you don't have one.

 

[Gica]

That is because you don't have a V cache enabled CPU. What you don't understand is that I used a 5600G and 5900X to get my information. Single CCDs are better at Gaming than dual but because the PCie generations are different it did indeed provide that performance so I thought ok let's get a 5600 (as they are inexpensive) as the 5900X is a beast and sure enough the same thing vs the 5600G. I know that cards like the 6800XT or 3080 would not really show the same but you have to keep in mind that the 6500XT is starved vs those cards both in wiring and bandwidth. It cannot play 1440P well and should never be considered for that but 1080P all day is fine. Don't forget that there are also software innovations like FSR (Which is now on Version 3) anti lag and Enhanced Sync to help mitigate the gap as well. So when I got my X3D chip, I put it in my HTPC before my main rig and yes the 5800X3D made me smile in how a CPU upgrade could have an effect on Gaming at 1080P like a GPU upgrade. AMD will sell every 5800X3D they make. Do you know why the 7000 are not selling. Part of it is cost, part of it is power but a huge part of it is Intel deceptively showed that the 13th Gen is at best in Gaming as fast as the X3D chip and combined with the price drop it will have plenty singing about using the X3D chip with a 7000 series GPU around Xmas. Just look at how many supporters are singing the praises of X3D on this forum but I can understand your sentiment as you don't have one.

Yes, I saw that with you: 5800X3D + 6500XT is 30% more performant in gaming than 5900X + 6500XT. And I don't believe it! You are that fan who praises a video card that has serious problems in 1080p at details worthy of 2022. Try to demonstrate through reviews in which the most powerful video cards were used and that anyway, even with them, a jump was not possible so big. According to this review, between the 5900X and 5800X3D there is only a 7% difference with the RTX 3080, a video card that renders hundreds of frames in 1080p and demands a lot from the processor.
You can't turn RX6500XT into RX6600 with just the processor, believe me. The drivers bring extra performance, but I don't think that AMD is now consuming its resources with that bad joke. They got what they deserved at its launch.

 

[ratirt]

HWUB recently released this video comparing gaming performance with an 4090 for 4 CPUs. It does look interesting though especially in price to performance etc.

 

[kapone32]

Yes, I saw that with you: 5800X3D + 6500XT is 30% more performant in gaming than 5900X + 6500XT. And I don't believe it! You are that fan who praises a video card that has serious problems in 1080p at details worthy of 2022. Try to demonstrate through reviews in which the most powerful video cards were used and that anyway, even with them, a jump was not possible so big. According to this review, between the 5900X and 5800X3D there is only a 7% difference with the RTX 3080, a video card that renders hundreds of frames in 1080p and demands a lot from the processor.
You can't turn RX6500XT into RX6600 with just the processor, believe me. The drivers bring extra performance, but I don't think that AMD is now consuming its resources with that bad joke. They got what they deserved at its launch.

That chart you attached does not have the 5600G. Let's also drill down and when you see Borderlands 3 at 1080P what is the performance gap? Then using that same data think about what the difference would be between the 5600G and 5800X3D and you answer is there but I guess it doesn't qualify because it doesn't do Ray Tracing and DLSS. There is FSR though and Unreal Engine 5 looks like it will be a nice rival to hardware based Ray Tracing. So let me ask you this, what would need the CPU more a card like the 3080 or the 6500XT? TPU and others have done enough to prove that the 5800X3D is the fastest Gaming chip AMD make and whatever GPU you use will feel faster vs any other AM4 outside of the 5950X (if the Game uses 1/2 threads). By the way my 30% difference was actually PCIe 3 vs PCIe 4 but yes the 5800X3D did feel faster than the 5900X. I can see that you have a desultory opinion of the card and ask you to just go on Newegg and read user reviews. Consuming resources? Have you seen the size of the GPU on the 6500XT? They could probably make 4-6 6500XT for every 6700XT.

 

[Gica]

That chart you attached does not have the 5600G. Let's also drill down and when you see Borderlands 3 at 1080P what is the performance gap? Then using that same data think about what the difference would be between the 5600G and 5800X3D and you answer is there but I guess it doesn't qualify because it doesn't do Ray Tracing and DLSS. There is FSR though and Unreal Engine 5 looks like it will be a nice rival to hardware based Ray Tracing. So let me ask you this, what would need the CPU more a card like the 3080 or the 6500XT? TPU and others have done enough to prove that the 5800X3D is the fastest Gaming chip AMD make and whatever GPU you use will feel faster vs any other AM4 outside of the 5950X (if the Game uses 1/2 threads). By the way my 30% difference was actually PCIe 3 vs PCIe 4 but yes the 5800X3D did feel faster than the 5900X. I can see that you have a desultory opinion of the card and ask you to just go on Newegg and read user reviews. Consuming resources? Have you seen the size of the GPU on the 6500XT? They could probably make 4-6 6500XT for every 6700XT.

You see that you have confused the lies. I wasted too much time with an AMD Taliban.

What is a middle card? I put my x3d with a 6500XT and it gave me 30% more FPS in some Games than a 5900X connected to that but also a smoother experience. I am not just talking out of my butt, I own all of those. No one is disputing that the 5800X is a better overall processor. The fact remains that the x3D chip is a revelation in Gaming. I am confident that when the X3D chips launch that you will see more mass adoption of AM5. The chip was too expensive when it launched but as soon as it went below $500 CAD it started moving. It will sell quite well for the rest of the year as it's price keeps falling too. You should be glad because it will put price pressure on the rest of the lineup. If you are starting out and are budget conscious about the cost of an SSD you should get a 5600. Then you could buy a PSU too and maybe a case.

 

[Nopa]

an AMD Taliban.

First time seeing this.. You're creative asf man!

 

[kapone32]

You see that you have confused the lies. I wasted too much time with an AMD Taliban.

What was the difference between the 5900X and 5800X3D in Borderlands 3 at 1080P?
Did you look?
Did you read any user reviews of the 6500XT on Newegg?
Did you watch the video posted from Hardware Unboxed?

All of your points are based on opinion from what you have read and not real world use. Then to call me a terrorist because I like my 5800X3D and 6500XT is pretty juvenile in my opinion but it is just that as you have already stated that you own none of these but seem so knowledgeable in the same.

If you notice I clearly stated some Games. I assure though that the 5800X3D is faster than the 5600G than 30% using a 6500XT, but you don't have to believe me. This thread is not about the 5600G nor 6500XT but is there anyone who thinks that you will not notice a difference using a 5600G vs a 5800X3D? Would it be foolish to even ask that question?

 

[The King]

@W1zzard here are the results from performance difference between 5800X3D and 5800X using same DR RAM kit and GPU.

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review - The Magic of 3D V-Cache

The AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D is the company's new flagship gaming processor. It introduces 3D V-Cache, a dedicated piece of silicon with additional L3 capacity. In our review, we're testing how much the larger cache can help intensive gaming workloads and applications and compare it to the Intel Core...

www.techpowerup.com

I'm calling BS on this comparison, you making the 5800X look far worse than it actually is and the difference in not "HUGE" has you put it.

 

[W1zzard]

@W1zzard here are the results from performance difference between 5800X3D and 5800X using same DR RAM kit and GPU.
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AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review - The Magic of 3D V-Cache

The AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D is the company's new flagship gaming processor. It introduces 3D V-Cache, a dedicated piece of silicon with additional L3 capacity. In our review, we're testing how much the larger cache can help intensive gaming workloads and applications and compare it to the Intel Core...

www.techpowerup.com

I'm calling BS on this comparison, you making the 5800X look far worse than it actually is and the difference in not "HUGE" has you put it.

RTX 3080

 

[The King]

RTX 3080

I still feel you not running the same RAM config is playing a huge role in the performance difference between the two ZEN 3 cpus.
If the 5800X performs 8% better when running DR then that will definitely make a difference?

I would be very surprised if you get the same FPS in all the games tested if you change the RAM config to the same one that was used on the 5800X3D. (2X16GB 3600 14-14-14)
It would mean DR setups on ZEN 3 just don't work at all and does not increase FPS performance in games.

 

[FreezingPC]

Again;

Test System​

The goal of this review is NOT to test "5800X vs 5800X3D at similar config," but "The current GPU Test System that I have right now, a decent but slightly aged config, vs 5800X3D the way you would build it today" to find out how much of a difference an upgrade can bring.

And even if you put the same ram:

With a 3090 TI, a 5800X3D already slapped the 5800x, with a 15% performances difference...

Ryzen 7 5800X3D vs. Ryzen 7 5800X: Zen 3 Gaming Shootout

On the menu today is another 40 game benchmark -- actually 41. This time it's the 5800X3D against its spiritual predecessor, the 5800X, to see where that...

www.techspot.com

On a more recent review, with a 4090, we get a 22% performances gap:

Intel Core i5-13600K vs. AMD Ryzen 5 7600X

The Core i5-13600K is the most affordable model in Intel's new Raptor Lake range. Its predecessor, the 12600K was a personal favorite of ours, so we are...

www.techspot.com

What sort of miracle are people expecting from RAM, when the gap is this large ???

 

[The King]

Again;



And even if you put the same ram:

With a 3090 TI, a 5800X3D already slapped the 5800x, with a 15% performances difference...

Ryzen 7 5800X3D vs. Ryzen 7 5800X: Zen 3 Gaming Shootout

On the menu today is another 40 game benchmark -- actually 41. This time it's the 5800X3D against its spiritual predecessor, the 5800X, to see where that...

www.techspot.com

On a more recent review, with a 4090, we get a 22% performances gap:

Intel Core i5-13600K vs. AMD Ryzen 5 7600X

The Core i5-13600K is the most affordable model in Intel's new Raptor Lake range. Its predecessor, the 12600K was a personal favorite of ours, so we are...

www.techspot.com

What sort of miracle are people expecting from RAM, when the gap is this large ???

Is this is not a tech forum! It was well established that ZEN 3 CPUS can benefit up to 8% when running dual rank ram config VS single rank. This is a fact not an opinion.
It was confirmed by several hardware reviewers shortly after ZEN 3 launched.

The 5800X was going to lose that won't change.

The 5800X3D would still beat the 5800X even if the RAM config was switched around, heck the 5800X3D may even beat the 5800X with a single stick of
RAM for how fast it is. That is not the point at all.

The point is the 5800X setup has many things stacked against it with this RAM setup. Very Questionable DDR4 4000 CL20 RCD 23 RAM against Dual RANK setup of 3600 CL 14-14-14.

Whatever the goal of the test is it paints the 5800X far worse against the 5800X3D in gaming that it actually is compared to when they share the same RAM config. That is my point.

Many people wont even look at the test config or read the whole article and only look at the charts. I personally am running dual rank setups with all 3 of ZEN 3 CPUs.

I would expect any one else running ZEN 3 that wants the best FPS when gaming would upgrade their RAM before anything else like a CPU or GPU has that would cost much more!

Let me add some commentary to this.

Hey guys, So today we going to see how much faster the 5800X3D is compared to a 5800X in games. But wait we will give the 5800X3D a dual rank setup so that it can achieve its is maximum performance levels but leave the 5800X at a 8% AVG fps disadvantage by running it in single rank??? You see the problem here?

I don't care that the 5800X loses. The issue is by how much and this test setup is simply very BIAS towards the 5800X3D.

The goal of this review is NOT to test "5800X vs 5800X3D at similar config," but "The current GPU Test System that I have right now, a decent but slightly aged config, vs 5800X3D the way you would build it today" to find out how much of a difference an upgrade can bring.

This shows what upgrading both the CPU and RAM will do not just upgrading the CPU alone so that is an important factor to take into the gaming performance comparison between these two setups.
The 5800X3D also benefits from running Dual rank just like all other ZEN 3 CPUs do.

Has for this note in bold. I certainly never seen it before and betting the majority of people on this site missed that as well. At the end of the day the gaming performance data is bias in the 5800X3D favor.

 

[FreezingPC]

At the end of the day the gaming performance data is bias in the 5800X3D favor.

Yes, now people just need to get over it and stop expecting ram to do miracles when you have this wide of a gap...
Easy...

 

[The King]

Yes, now people just need to get over it and stop expecting ram to do miracles when you have this wide of a gap...
Easy...

So 8-17% fps increasing in gaming fps is just not significant i guess.
And yet again not sure if you have a comprehension problem. This does affect the gap!

 

[FreezingPC]

So 8-17% fps increasing in gaming fps is just not significant i guess.
And yet again not sure if you have a comprehension problem. This does affect the gap!

The 3200MHz cl14 dual ranked being the reference, on average, the 3200MHz cl14 single is 3%~ slower and the 4000MHz CL16 tuned is 3%~ faster...

GN review settings configuration is 5%~ slower (vs stock) on average...


Unless i start cherry picking the results (taking the 8% or more only or taking even slower ram result for some reason), the 2 videos gave an averg. that is on the margin of error...
Its pretty underwhelming and i really don't see the purpose of continuing the RAM discussion...

" The goal of this review is NOT to test "5800X vs 5800X3D at similar config," " - The end and GL for others to get over this.

 

[The King]

The 3200MHz cl14 dual ranked being the reference, on average, the 3200MHz cl14 single is 3%~ slower and the 4000MHz CL16 tuned is 3%~ faster...

GN review settings configuration is 5%~ slower (vs stock) on average...


Unless i start cherry picking the results (taking the 8% or more only or taking even slower ram result for some reason), the 2 videos gave an averg. that is on the margin of error...
Its pretty underwhelming and i really don't see the purpose of continuing the RAM discussion...

" The goal of this review is NOT to test "5800X vs 5800X3D at similar config," " - The end and GL for others to get over this.

You clearly know nothing about RAM if you want to compare 4000 CL16 which is a good cache latency to 4000 CL20 which is not even close?
Rather end this topic here.
I made all the points that I needed to with my above posts.

" The goal of this review is NOT to test "5800X vs 5800X3D at similar config," " - The end and GL for others to get over this.

What is the title of this thread \ article?
RTX 4090 & 53 Games: Ryzen 7 5800X vs Ryzen 7 5800X3D

 

[FreezingPC]

What is the title of this thread \ article?

If your problem is the title, then i advice you to talk with the person who made this thread to begin with, since a random Techpowerup forum user can't change this type of stuff...

 

[Cjsev]

So, if you own a 4080 running on a 1440 @ 240z and have a 5800x cpu, is it worth upgrading to the 5800x 3d?

 

[The King]

So, if you own a 4080 running on a 1440 @ 240z and have a 5800x cpu, is it worth upgrading to the 5800x 3d?

A 9% AVG increase in performance @ 1440p using a 3090 Ti and same RAM config. The gap could be more using the RTX 4080 has it is around 12% faster than the 3090 Ti @ 1440p.

Since this TPU test does not use the same RAM config it is hard to use it has a fair comparison. Yes I went there!


In some games you won't even get any FPS improvement so your need to see what game you would be playing
and only you can answer the question is it worth it or not. if you plan on selling your 5800X to cover the cost of the upgrade then it should be worth it.

Ryzen 7 5800X3D vs. Ryzen 7 5800X: Zen 3 Gaming Shootout

On the menu today is another 40 game benchmark -- actually 41. This time it's the 5800X3D against its spiritual predecessor, the 5800X, to see where that...

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