NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 Founders Edition

[spnidel]

based on these reviews, looks like the 7900 xt will be faster than the 4080, and the xtx within striking distance of the 4090... at less power in both cases
yet another case of "there's no way the 6800 xt will be faster than the 2080 ti"

 

[Dirt Chip]

based on these reviews, looks like the 7900 xt will be faster than the 4080, and the xtx within striking distance of the 4090... at less power in both cases
yet another case of "there's no way the 6800 xt will be faster than the 2080 ti"

Yep. AMD have the chance to play the "robin hood" this round all while charging 1000$ and more on a GPU. Some people will buy it while feeling that they made some sort of retaliation vs. NV high price.
It is nothing short of amazing.

 

[spnidel]

Yep. AMD have the chance to play the "robin hood" this round all while charging 1000$ and more on a GPU. Some people will buy it while feeling that they made some sort of retaliation vs. NV high price.
It is nothing short of amazing.

if them playing robin hood means I get better value, then I'm all for it

 

[Dirt Chip]

if them playing robin hood means I get better value, then I'm all for it

I know, and that what's amazing: There is no robin and no hood. And most certenlly it is not an AMD play because a 1000$ GPU is just bad as a 2000$ GPU if your looking for a hero to save you from overpriced tech.

 

[Bwaze]

There's plenty of robbin', though. ;-)

 

[AusWolf]

Can somebody explain how this piece of cash grab could ever receive an Editor's Choice award?

 

[Bwaze]

Can somebody explain how this piece of cash grab could ever receive an Editor's Choice award?

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Simple.

By acting as though as scalper prices during cryptolunacy were something normal, and now considering the price compated to that event.

"Averaged over all the 25 games in our GPU test suite at 4K resolution we find the RTX 4080 16% faster than the GeForce RTX 3090 Ti—last generation's $2000 flagship card—very impressive."

And by stating that RTX 3080 "sub $700" is an anomaly, although that card has been launched at $699 more than two years ago.

The whole "conclusion" was probably written around Nvidia's guideline on what to say about the card, or there will be no next free items.

At least that's my conclusion. I can't find any other reason on why would a reviewer endorse a card that regresses compared to previous generation.

Remember, compared to RTX 3080 +50% performance in 4K, +70% price (or more, depending on scalping and unavailability of base models). That's the whole conclusion this product needs.

 

[QuietBob]

As a 60fps gamer, I'm really impressed with the V-synced result of this card. 304w with V-sync off also sounds good, given its performance. What I don't like is high idle power consumption. My GPU spends 99% of its time idling, and the rig may be on for 15+ hours/day for most of the week.

And then there's the price. I'm not paying this kind of money, even if the 4080 is efficient in games. But I'll gladly purchase a 7900XTX for less if it shows similar performance and efficiency.

 

[N3M3515]

I know, and that what's amazing: There is no robin and no hood. And most certenlly it is not an AMD play because a 1000$ GPU is just bad as a 2000$ GPU if your looking for a hero to save you from overpriced tech.

That's why the value is at $700 and below

 

[Bwaze]

Remember, being OK with 70% price increase will inevitably lead to this:


2022, RTX 4080 - $1200
2024, RTX 5080 - $2040
2026, RTX 6080 - $3468
2028, RTX 7080 - $5896
2030, RTX 8080 - $10022
2032, RTX 9080 - $17038
2034, GTX 1080 - $28965

But it's OK, because it is fast!

 

[AusWolf]

Remember, being OK with 70% price increase will inevitably lead to this:


2022, RTX 4080 - $1200
2024, RTX 5080 - $2040
2026, RTX 6080 - $3468
2028, RTX 7080 - $5896
2030, RTX 8080 - $10022
2032, RTX 9080 - $17038
2034, RTX 1080 - $28965

But it's OK, because it is fast!

Who cares if it's fast? It's from the greens!

 

[Bwaze]

I don't believe anyone really hopes AMD will seriously undercut Nvidia? They simply can't. Their productuon capacity is very limited, so there is no sense for them to be a "clear choice" - or their whole production will be bought by scalpers and sold for a profit. Best they can do is a bit better price / performance (in rasterisation), compared to Ada, to maximize the profit and make shareholders happy.

 

[Dirt Chip]

I don't believe anyone really hopes AMD will seriously undercut Nvidia? They simply can't. Their productuon capacity is very limited, so there is no sense for them to be a "clear choice" - or their whole production will be bought by scalpers and sold for a profit. Best they can do is a bit better price / performance (in rasterisation), compared to Ada, to maximize the profit and make shareholders happy.

I think they will ride on NV`s wave as much as they can to make as much money as they can.
Maybe they will do a big, well calculated, $ reduction in order to exploit the market uprising against NV price structure, but that wont last long.
When the "protest" move against NV is to buy a 1000$ GPU from the competitor, the only loser is the consumer thinking he made any difference for the economy state we are in.

 

[AusWolf]

I think they will ride on NV`s wave as much as they can to make as much money as they can.
Maybe they will do a big, well calculated, $ reduction in order to exploit the market uprising against NV price structure, but that wontlast long.

I think they'll always have to undercut Nvidia by a little bit (not by much) because they don't enjoy the same mindshare. People still consider and expect them to be the budget option. If you read through the RDNA 3 launch thread here on TPU and see all the cries that a $1,000 AMD GPU isn't faster than a $1,600 Nvidia one, you'll see what I mean.

 

[Dirt Chip]

I think they'll always have to undercut Nvidia by a little bit (not by much) because they don't enjoy the same mindshare. People still consider and expect them to be the budget option. If you read through the RDNA 3 launch thread here on TPU and see all the cries that a $1,000 AMD GPU isn't faster than a $1,600 Nvidia one, you'll see what I mean.

They are free to consider whatever they want, but to expect something from them is foolish and will end in even bigger rage than what is now aimd on NV. AMD, like NV and Intel ,employ many 'smart' PhD people with deep psychological & microeconomics knowledge whose job is to get the highest possible $ number that the crowd will be able to swallow for a given produce at a given time frame relative to the market and competition situation (Price theory, Indifference curve). Expect nothing other than the same "NV greedy practice" from AMD if the things were upside down so AMD having NV`s magnitude of mindshare.

 

[Fasola]

They are free to consider whatever they want, but to expect something from them is foolish and will end in even bigger rage than what is now aimd on NV. AMD, like NV and Intel ,employ many 'smart' PhD people with deep psychological & microeconomics knowledge whose job is to get the highest possible $ number that the crowd will be able to swallow for a given produce at a given time frame relative to the market and competition situation (Price theory, Indifference curve). Expect nothing other than the same "NV greedy practice" from AMD if the things were upside down so AMD having NV`s magnitude of mindshare.

If one wants a high-end gaming GPU without being a RT evangelist, AMD will probably (pending reviews) be the way to go. If NV starts offering more value than AMD, I'm sure the consensus will change. No amout of "but AMD is also screwing you with their prices" will improve the value of NV's offerings at this point in time.

 

[AusWolf]

They are free to consider whatever they want, but to expect something from them is foolish and will end in even bigger rage than what is now aimd on NV. AMD, like NV and Intel ,employ many 'smart' PhD people with deep psychological & microeconomics knowledge whose job is to get the highest possible $ number that the crowd will be able to swallow for a given produce at a given time frame relative to the market and competition situation (Price theory, Indifference curve). Expect nothing other than the same "NV greedy practice" from AMD if the things were upside down so AMD having NV`s magnitude of mindshare.

You're not wrong - I just base my comments on behavior I see here on TPU:
Nvidia releases a $1,600 card with one of the worst price-to-performance ratios we've ever seen - it's fine because it's fast.
AMD releases a $1,000 card that isn't faster than Nvidia's $1,600 flagship - what an outrage!

 

[Gameslove]

16-pin power cable adapter included

Might be not a advance, such miss understanding how exactly work a 12VHPWR power cable. No problems?

 

[wheresmycar]

So, in your opinion, those who buy at prices above MSRP (because MSRP is a dream, for now) are idiots. Directly or indirectly, that's what you say. I would add that they are intelligent enough to afford this price, if they necessarily want the best of the best.

I have never suggested buyers are idiots for succumbing to these prices - as usual irrelevant mouth fed inferences to thwart the topic at hand. I've seen this type of devious obscurities being a constant Gica trademark, usually deployed when irrefutable common sense emerges.

To end the controversy, did you scare nVidia? Did the prices drop after your protest? Or does it remain as I said that only the competition can do it (unless they clap their hands and divide their territories)?

"End of controversy"? This sounds more like the start of controversy if you're pitching silly irrelevant questions. We could carry this level of irrelavancy over..... "did you scare the buyers or observer from voicing his/her opinions"..... "did the disgruntled consumer disappointment cease after your protest?"..... "Or does it remain as I said that the prices remain high and continue to treacherously rise (unless you clap your hands and wiggle your fingers and shake it all about)"

Doesn't help does it?

11600KF + 3070Ti = ~20% time spent gaming.
12500 + UHD 770 = ~80% time spent gaming.
Why? Because the igp does well in frequently used games and where small details are recommended.
I approximate 30-40% of the total time spent at computers for gaming. The rest: www (yt, forums and news), office, some video and photo editing, plus others where this system does great and consumes ~1KW/month for each hour/day of use.
Why did I invest in 3070Ti, 800 euros, almost $1000 in the summer of 2021? Caprice! I am 110% sure that I would have survived without this video card (I still have a system with 1650 and another 1050Ti in the drawer, for backup).

Relevancy? I have no idea where you are going with this? How is this a justified means to stop people from voicing their disappointment with current prices? Stick to the same page please and stop skipping to page 324 where skippy skipped one too many skips and lost his way home.

If you keep talking about thinking like a child, I remind you that in all your replies you have demonstrated that you have primitive thinking: whoever is not with you, they are automatically against you. And you don't even understand how the market works, kids. It's simple for me: I don't buy if I don't like something about the product. I'm not complaining.

An interesting conclusion. And all along i was questioning your primitive style of thinking where displeased buyers are not permitted to voice their opinions and the very source of market manipulation gets a liberating Gica certified green card .... its rather comical you're turning the tables on me. I don't think it's a good idea to suggest "you don't even understand how the market works" coming from someone who resolutely believes the market itself determines MSRP like it's some sort of an AI autonomous out-of-hand non-corporate process. It doesn't end there the more recent assertions are equally startling with the diverging introduction of buyer disapproval/disregard having no play in determining price and competition being the only means to fluctuating prices. Come on Gica, sharpen up! You can't disconnect the two, they work cooperatively together. This is somewhat rediculous to even mention. You clearly don't understand these simple market principles but you continue to discharge rediculous cherry-picked blanks, at any cost.

"im not complaining" - really? Well that depends on how you look at it. The very pretext of this exchange is built around your relentless "complaints" against buyers/members who are not in favour of these rediculous prices. Forget prices, you have taken "rediculous" to whole a new level by impassively rediculing people for the sentiments shared. If that's not complaining, what is?

 

[W1zzard]

The whole "conclusion" was probably written around Nvidia's guideline on what to say about the card, or there will be no next free items.

That is simply not true, I have never seen any such NVIDIA guideline, nor has NVIDIA ever put any "or else" pressure on me.

The award is given, because it's the 2nd fastest card that exists, with the world's best power efficiency, with amazing performance in both raster and RT, and great features, at a terrible price. and like I said .. DO NOT BUY IT IF YOU DONT LIKE IT. It is still an unbelievably amazing card

If I give you a $1200 coupon for a GPU that expires next week, what would you buy today? Wait for the Radeons? Sure, definitely, you really should, and I'm surprised that so many people already know how well the product works... but I'm afraid that in the end most people will still buy NVIDIA (like in the last decade) or hope that AMD's success will force NVIDIA to lower their prices, which can definitely happen

 

[Dirt Chip]

That is simply not true, I have never seen any such NVIDIA guideline, nor has NVIDIA ever put any "or else" pressure on me.

The award is given, because it's the 2nd fastest card that exists, with the world's best power efficiency, with amazing performance in both raster and RT, and great features, at a terrible price. and like I said .. DO NOT BUY IT IF YOU DONT LIKE IT. It is still an unbelievably amazing card

If I give you a $1200 coupon for a GPU that expires next week, what would you buy today? Wait for the Radeons? Sure, definitely, you really should, and I'm surprised that so many people already know how well the product works... but I'm afraid that in the end most people will still buy NVIDIA (like in the last decade) or hope that AMD's success will force NVIDIA to lower their prices, which can definitely happen

To add a badge of "terrible value" for the price along side with the "highly recommend" for preformance and efficiency will sort things up.
No contradiction between the two whatsoever.

 

[W1zzard]

To add a badge of "terrible value" along side with the "highly recommend" will sort things up.
No contradiction between the two whatsoever.

That is an interesting idea

Edit: Now looking at this chart and wondering "what's good value? where's the cutoff? isn't its "value" (price/perf, and that doesnt take into account efficiency and other things like features) actually comparable to the competing options (3090 ti, 3090, 3080 ti), just "price" is very high" ?

http://imgur.com/wx2XhQd

 

[HTC]

what's good value? where's the cutoff?

Perhaps a direct comparison to the card of the previous generation and it's price?

The 3080 launched with a $699 price IIRC while the 4080 launched with a $1199 price: the rise in price for the card's segment (an 080 card) is too steep IMO, hence deserving the "terrible value" award, as suggested by @Dirt Chip

 

[W1zzard]

Perhaps a direct comparison to the card of the previous generation and it's price?

that's literally what this chart does

The 3080 launched with a $699 price IIRC

It was a fake price, and everybody knew that, the card really wasn't available at this price point. NVIDIA just though it would make people happy if they gave them a bs pricing. Soon after that I changed my reviews to use actual pricing that has availability, even if that means buying from eBay/scalpers

 

[HTC]

It was a fake price, and everybody knew that, the card really wasn't available at this price point.

But it was the MSRP: the fact that crypto caused interference with that price is irrelevant.

Had crypto not died down recently, do you honestly believe one could get the 4080, or ANY card for that matter, @ MSRP as well?