Why does everyone hate the 4080?

[AusWolf]

We will definitely see those who bouth 7900xxx at 1000+$ with the utmost conviniance thay made justice by supporting the "under-dog" and srike retaliation vs NV greddy practice. But AMD is no under-dog, it is (still) just a smaller NV who exploit the market that takes them as the 'budget option'.
AMD will sit quietly from the side, with a big smile, and will keep on riding NV`s wave of upping the cost gen to gen while enjoying the "robin-hood' image that rage blinded, NV haters, poorly informs and easy to manipulate consumers entitled them.
The absurdness will skyrocket to new levels once again, like wattage consumption, GPU`s physical volume size, cost and diminishing returns.

At least the 7900 XTX is launching with the same MSRP as the 6900 XT did. When was the last time we saw that from Nvidia?

Edit: Also, at least we see some innovation from AMD (chiplets, reworked core structure, etc.). How consumers benefit is a different question, but at least we see where their money goes. The last time Nvidia innovated was when they introduced Tensor and RT cores with Turing. Ever since then, it's price increase after price increase for the same tech on a shrunk node.

 

[Omga4000]

But AMD is no under-dog, it is (still) just a smaller NV who exploit the market that takes them as the 'budget option'.

Lesser of two evils

 

[Dirt Chip]

Lesser of two evils

...is also evil.
By all mean choose AMD, but not as a support move because they are the 'underdog' , the 'robin hood' that came to save us all from 'greddy NV'.

 

[Omga4000]

...is also evil.
By all mean choose AMD, but not because they are the 'under dog, robin hoos' that came to save us all from 'greddy NV'.

That doesn't matter to me.
No company is my friend, they are all here to make money off of me.

I am simply choosing the one which gives me the most worth for my money.
If it happens to be AMD, so be it. I am still holding the nVidia reservation but am not going to pick it up until 7900 XTX is released and there are proper reviews about it.
When reviews release I'll make an educated decision. Que sera, sera.

 

[AusWolf]

...is also evil.
By all mean choose AMD, but not because they are the 'underdog' , the 'robin hood' that came to save us all from 'greddy NV'.

You can easily choose AMD because they are the better bang for your buck at all levels nowadays - unless you absolutely can't live without superior RT/DLSS, and/or having the best of the best.

 

[Dirt Chip]

You can easily choose AMD because they are the better bang for your buck at all levels nowadays - unless you absolutely can't live without superior RT/DLSS, and/or having the best of the best.

I Personally need the CUDA cores for professional use (premiere pro, lightroom)- Still no viable replacement from AMD to that.
But my 970 GTX still do its CUDA roll to my satisfaction.

 

[AusWolf]

I Personally need the CUDA cores for professional use (premiere pro, lightroom)- Still no viable replacement from AMD to that.
But my 970 GTX still do its CUDA roll to my satisfaction.

That's fair enough. If you only game, though, you can easily live without Nvidia's gimmicks, in my opinion.

 

[Dirt Chip]

At least the 7900 XTX is launching with the same MSRP as the 6900 XT did. When was the last time we saw that from Nvidia?

Edit: Also, at least we see some innovation from AMD (chiplets, reworked core structure, etc.). How consumers benefit is a different question, but at least we see where their money goes. The last time Nvidia innovated was when they introduced Tensor and RT cores with Turing. Ever since then, it's price increase after price increase for the same tech on a shrunk node.

Other than a "nice to know", I don`t see how any of AMD innovation (and I will not argue about how NV is also if not more innovative) has anyting to do with purchase criteria.
It sound like an argument to self convince yourself why to choose AMD and I`m aginst that.

That's fair enough. If you only game, though, you can easily live without Nvidia's gimmicks, in my opinion.

Very much agreed.

 

[AusWolf]

Other than a "nice to know", I don`t see how any of AMD innovation (and will not argure about how NV is also if not more innovative) has anyting to do with purchase criteria.
It sound like an argument to self convince yourself why to choose AMD and I`m aginst that.

I didn't mean it like that. If the 7900 XTX sucks, it sucks regardless of the effort put into its development. But at least there's effort, which I think is commendable, even if the end product doesn't deserve to be bought. Nvidia Ada on the other hand, is nothing more than Ampere on a die shrink.

 

[P4-630]

I can confirm this is the same in my country (US, WA). There is no stock at all for the 4080's as well.

in stock

Guess you miss-read...

In other words , they don't sell much....

 

[sepheronx]

The guys that are voting more than $1,400 in the poll aren't kidding. Retailers are gouging. Also, I just checked Ebay and the 4080s are selling for between $1,500 and $1,900 and there's already a lot of them. These are actually "sold" prices that I checked. It's not miners this time. It's gamers. Incredible.

a lot of people were saying this was an issue regardless of mining or not in the past. Because consoles cannot be mined on and it was the same result.

Hell, people are scalping Intel ARC 770's here. It is pathetic but oh well. People are dumb enough to purchase these scalped GPU's and people are willing to pay extortion for a new GPU as is so whatever.

 

[Omga4000]

Guess you miss-read...

In other words , they don't sell much....

Wait, those cards that you've listed are sold for MSRP in your country?
I thought you meant that they've all been sold and those that are in stock are selling for OVER MSRP.
Because that's the case here.. Whatever they have in stock is selling for much higher prices.

If that's the case, then the prices in your country are insane to begin with.

 

[mb194dc]

Seems in the UK there was Nvidia store stock yesterday and aib models are widely available... £1354 cheapest on Scan currently. £1299 on OCUK.

Be interesting to see when Nvidia give a guidance update..? Stock trades at what P/E again?

 

[64K]

a lot of people were saying this was an issue regardless of mining or not in the past. Because consoles cannot be mined on and it was the same result.

Hell, people are scalping Intel ARC 770's here. It is pathetic but oh well. People are dumb enough to purchase these scalped GPU's and people are willing to pay extortion for a new GPU as is so whatever.

Concerning the console shortage in the past, part of that was the impact of the Pandemic and difficulty in getting chips.

 

[Dirt Chip]

underdog

Btw, and to to add for the irony in the situation we are in, the real GPU underdog (if ever exist) is Intel`s ARC.
Intel, the underdog.
Read and LOL.

 

[64K]

Btw, and to to add for the irony in the situation we are in, the real underdog (if ever exist) is Intes`s ARC.
Intel, the underdog.
Read and LOL.

Kind of hard to feel sorry for Intel.

 

[Omga4000]

Btw, and to to add for the irony in the situation we are in, the real underdog (if ever exist) is Intes`s ARC.
Intel, the underdog.
Read and LOL.

Intel has been the "underdog" in many areas, and have always failed to make a true impact in the market.
This is probably because the old-folks leading Intel simply decide doing things too little too late, just like when they've tried going into the cellphone CPU market and failed.
I can't take them seriously for many of their new projects.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yup, looks like that's what I'll be doing

Following everything that was discussed here about the melting connectors of the 4090 (and possibly of the 4080 as well):

There have been more than 50 instances of that problem. NVidia is attempting to down-play the seriousness of the issue. The reality is, that connector is poorly designed and makers needs to revert to the previous PCIe connectors.

 

[P4-630]

Whatever they have in stock is selling for much higher prices.

That's it, they have them in stock, they don't sell well at these prices in my country...

 

[Omga4000]

That's it, they have them in stock, they don't sell well at these prices in my country...

I don't believe they are selling them for the inflated price in the US either, but I have no way to verify this.
I guess the fact they are still in stock for the inflated prices means they aren't, but who knows how many those scalpers bought and have in stock..

 

[P4-630]

I don't believe they are selling them for the inflated price in the US either, but I have no way to verify this.
I guess the fact they are still in stock for the inflated prices means they aren't, but who knows how many those scalpers bought and have in stock..

These are actually online stores in my country that have them in stock and sells them at those prices in this list and isn't like fleabay....

 

[Dirt Chip]

Kind of hard to feel sorry for Intel.

I agree, but it is a nice reply\challenge to whom say that you 'always prefer the underdog'.
Just another misconception that flow around and treated as absolute truth like a rule of nature.

 

[sepheronx]

Concerning the console shortage in the past, part of that was the impact of the Pandemic and difficulty in getting chips.

Still same issue now. I know Sony said they will fix it but it is still being scalped for crying out loud. Prices at least locally are back to normal and scalpers trying to just get a cost even but still.

Xbox Series X is easy to get though. But because it also has no games and any games it has is already on PC.

 

[neatfeatguy]

Didn't we say we're ignoring this YouTube channel?

I can confirm this is the same in my country (US, WA). There is no stock at all for the 4080's as well.
I do see a 1,400$ one from ASUS going back in stock sometimes, but it is also disappearing quickly when it does show up.
The ones that are being sold (not by an official retailer) are being sold for over 2,000$. That's even more expensive than the already inflated 4090.

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If the info is true about the 4080s having such a significant less amount of inventory sold to retailers then it's not hard to imagine that most (if not all) online retailer sites for the US have sold out of the 4080s. If the 30k number is true on released 4080s from Nvidia, spread that amount out across the world, then trying to find one will be difficult for most people at MSRP or AiB listed prices.

If the cards truly were selling well, the local Micro Center stores would be completely out of them and ebay/amazon/newegg/walmart (and whatever other big name site that allows third party scalpers) would be flooded with all the cards and they too would be selling for a nice premium.

Last I checked my local Micro Center's website on Thursday afternoon, they had 66 4080s in stock. As of right now, it shows they have 44. They've been constantly sitting on around 4 dozen+ cards since the 4080 launched.
The Flushing, NY store currently shows 111+ 4080s in stock
The Denver, CO store currently shows 78 4080s in stock
Tustin, CA shows 16 in stock
Duluth, GA shows 77 in stock
Westmont, IL shows 74+ in stock
Columbus, OH shows 113+ in stock
(stores listed with a + at the end of the count, they have one or more models that are listed as 25+ in stock so the exact number isn't known)

That's just 7 out of the 25 Micro Center locations and there's over 500 4080s listed in stock as being available.

Micro Center does not sell new items such as GPUs or CPUs online. They're in store only. Also, my Micro Center has a 1 GPU limit per household rule for a 90 day period (hopefully all of them do for when the GPU market is slim).

The 4080s just aren't moving, but for those (like yourself) that don't have a Micro Center near by and you're left to only being able to obtain a GPU by online sources, if you can't get one into your cart fast enough before the scalpers, then you left with 1 of 3 options:
1) Just don't buy the card
2) Keep trying your luck online to land a MSRP model
3) Give in to the scalpers and overpay for a card that isn't selling well, but you may not be aware they're not selling well because all online retailers for MSRP models are sold out even though lots of inventory is sitting in a brick and mortar stores.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I don't dislike the card and actually I feel given the specs it performs closer to the 4090 than I expected other than when RT is used at 4k in some titles. The problem with it to me is it offers 0 progress vs the 3080 in the performance per $$$ and is priced too close to the 4090 to be worth buying.

In a vacuum it's a pretty great card but I have a feeling the 7900XTX will make it look bad in rasterization making it a card only for people who want to max out settings with RT at 1440p otherwise you go AMD or get a 4090 instead.