Why does everyone hate the 4080?

[AnotherReader]

You can always disable the ray-tracing in the game settings menu

Of course, the price makes AMD's shortcomings in RT easier to swallow, and for the 3060 and lower, ray tracing performance doesn't matter as much as rasterization performance.

 

[P4-630]

I want everything Ray-traced, even my desktop and windows.....

 

[ARF]

I want everything Ray-traced, even my desktop and windows.....

Yeah, at 1 FPS

 

[AusWolf]

That's the point though - the 4080s just aren't selling like Nvidia had hoped.

Just because Micro Center is limited to the number of states they're in, there are still 25 total stores. It doesn't matter that Micro Center does in-store only for sales because it was shown that with the GPU scarcity with Ampere, cards flew off the shelves at Micro Center. People were lining up outside on the delivery days (Tuesdays and Thursdays, if I remember correctly) every day for a chance to get any GPU for many months. I tried my luck a couple of times and I never got one, but the store workers told me every delivery day it's like this; 60+ people show up in the morning, get on the list to get randomly picked for the maybe 2 dozen cards they get in. This went on for months. Cards sold before they were ever put on the shelves for stock.

With all that in mind, people gobbled up the GPUs that Micro Center got in, especially for Nvidia cards. If the 4080s were as hot as they appear to be simply due to the fact that you can't find them at online retailers, the 4080s at Micro Center stores would have all sold by now and you'd be able to find zero anywhere in the US.

The 4080s just aren't moving. Just because you can't find one online or for MSRP online, doesn't mean the cards are highly sought after. It just means that scalpers gobbled them up (along with some actual consumers that do in fact want one) and the online listings you see now are way over priced. If the 4080s were popular and hot, hard to get. Then why are the Micro Center stores still sitting on hundreds of them across all their store locations?

They're all in stock at Scan UK as well, and all of them show "No customer review". The 4090 is sold out, though.

 

[Hxx]

Why? I think the answer is pretty simple - it is not a good value in the high end.
It is also huge jump in price vs a 2 year old 3080 for the same or less performance increase : 50% or so increase in perf. vs 60% or so bump in price .
Also the real issue I see is nvidia moving up the bar and going forward allowing them to price the next xx80 card at anywhere around 1.2k instead of the typical small price bump … basically 5080 and so on will likely no longer be “affordable” high end GPUs

 

[ARF]

Why? I think the answer is pretty simple - it is not a good value in the high end.
It is also huge jump in price vs a 2 year old 3080 for the same or less performance increase : 50% or so increase in perf. vs 60% or so bump in price .
Also the real issue I see is nvidia moving up the bar and going forward allowing them to price the next xx80 card at anywhere around 1.2k instead of the typical small price bump … basically 5080 and so on will likely no longer be “affordable” high end GPUs

That will be the end of nvidia as a consumer company. It can still exist but all products will go to other markets, similar to how no one knows about IBM.

 

[AusWolf]

That will be the end of nvidia as a consumer company. It can still exist but all products will go to other markets, similar to how no one knows about IBM.

I think what they're trying to do is be the Rolls Royce of GPUs, while AMD is the Mustang.

Let me just drop this here:

 

[Tomgang]

Guys take a look at this rtx 4080 review. It amazing and apselutely hilarious. Bitwit really risking being baned by nvidia for new gpu's with this.

 

[AusWolf]

Guys take a look at this rtx 4080 review. It amazing and apselutely hilarious. Bitwit really risking being baned by nvidia for new gpu's with this.

This made my day!

 

[Tomgang]

This made my day!

My day two. I got good laugh from this.

I know I have a rtx 4090. But it was either that or I would have been looking over to amd. 4080 is simply to high and stupid priced according to where a 4080 should have been.

 

[ARF]

It's a crisis, it's a recession, people have no money, the market is flooded with second-hand mining GFX cards, this particular card is heavily overpriced. What is nvidia actually thinking? It is in a process of destroying its reputation.

 

[AusWolf]

It's a crisis, it's a recession, people have no money, the market is flooded with second-hand mining GFX cards, this particular card is heavily overpriced. What is nvidia actually thinking? It is in a process of destroying its reputation.

They were probably thinking that miners would buy up all 30-series stock by now, so they could score the early bird point on AMD's 7000 series. Instead, mining crashed, 30-series stock is still there, so they had a choice of either delaying the 40-series launch and let AMD cash in on being the early bird, or release the new series alongside the old one at higher prices. They're biting their own tail either way. The only way out with intact reputation in my opinion, is massive price drops along the entire lineup (old and new) to match AMD in value, but that would hurt their pride and wallet a bit too much.

 

[GhostRyder]

Yea, there have been alot of vides on the subject but here is my two cents.

1: It is a smaller GPU node, meaning it supposed to be a lower end card (This is how they have done it for quite a few cycles)
2: This is a huge jump in price from the previous XX80 series.
3: The XX80 series has last couple of generations been better than top tier cards from last generation (Heck the XX70 series normally matched or beat as well)
4: Over 1k is alot to ask the normal person. That price category is normally reserved for the very top end and those people are going to pay the extra couple hundred bucks to get the big jump in performance. Most people aren't willing to pay over 1k for a video card especially when its obvious there will be a 4080ti at some point.
5: There is a recession, people are holding onto their wallets tight right now. Spending a bunch on money on a video card is a low priority.
6: There are better price to performance option from AMD right now for the people that normally want that range.
7: People have already heard about the RX 7900 XT and XTX, now they are waiting and seeing.

Personally, I think nVidia made a huge error on this card. They shouldn't have jumped the price for this series as far as they did and they are paying the price. People are tired of these huge price jumps year after year and they finally hit a breaking point. Its hard to justify this card regardless of the performance right now. I am on the bandwagon of refusing to buy it and buying an AMD card this round just because of the price jump.

 

[wolf]

Lol don't get too hung up on the die shrunk part, 1080Ti was litterally a die shrunk Maxwell and it took AMD 3.5 years to make something better.

It's not so much the die shrunk part, I get hung up on misinformation and have a strong desire to correct it.

Also seems like AMD is still as competitive as ever, but Samsung 8nm was clearly less optimal than desired, so they're caught about a half step behind or so. Hopefully at the very least their products encourage Nvidia's to come down.

 

[Psychoholic]

I wish people would hate the 4080s a little more so i can have a chance at getting a 4080 founders from Best Buy.. lol

 

[nguyen]

There's no doubt that Nvidia is continuing to invest in raytracing performance, but your example is not more than the theoretical RT performance increase. The clock speed ratio (2730 MHz vs 1980) multiplied by the ray tracing units ratio is 2.1 for CyberPunk. Shader Execution reordering (link to PDF), like Intel's Thread Sorting Unit, will be a good boost when it's implemented by game developers. It looks like Intel will be the only one to challenge Nvidia in ray tracing until AMD gets its act together.

Edit: After reading Nvidia's whitepaper on SER, I realized that their claims of it being like out of order execution for CPUs are overblown. OOE is an inherent property of the CPU and is not swiched on or off by an API call.

Yes that was my point, ADA has bigger improvement in RT than Rasterization (4090 has 2.4x RT TFLOPS and 2.1x FP32 TFLOPS over 3090Ti), that fact is often obfuscated when looking at FPS in current hybrid Raster+RT games.

Nvidia will be pushing for even more RT effects that will push the gap between 4090 and 3090Ti further, that games with advanced RT will only be playable with DLSS3 LOL. CP2077 RT Overdrive will the be first of them.

Just like Turing, ADA is built for the future with techs that are not currently utilized, Rasterization looks like second thought for Nvidia, yet they still reign supreme there too

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

For the same reason people hated the '3080 in 2020, I guess. Extremely expensive and that was before '21 even came along to wreck the video card market!

 

[evernessince]

I agree - if you're going to spend $1200 then paying the extra $399 for 30-40% more performance is kind of a no brainer...

But also, it's way faster than a 3090TI, which is $1100 right now... so from that end $100 more for a much faster card also makes sense.

Who the heck is spending $1,100 on a 3090 Ti? Looking at the eBay sold listings the average sale price over the last month is $680 USD and many of those are new. Nvidia's inventory doubled YoY, they are withholding cards. Anyone buying a 3090 ti at $1,100 is getting absolutely fleeced.

Even putting that aside, spending $1,100 on a last gen flagship is absolutely nuts.

 

[64K]

Cards are being sold for stupid high prices here in America. New retail in the box 4080s are going for between $1,300 and $2,000. On Ebay it's the same thing (sold prices) and the 3090 Ti new in box on Ebay it is the same.

I wish that I could say that gamers were rejecting these silly prices but they are not.

The 4080 is a midrange Ada. Nvidia has been deceiving gamers ever since the GTX 680.

 

[Vayra86]

I want everything Ray-traced, even my desktop and windows.....

But we have that already!

Look

 

[wolf]

I wish that I could say that gamers were rejecting these silly prices but they are not.

Considered at a worldwide level these cards are absolutely being rejected by the majority of people. Nvidia we're always guaranteed to sell some, but in various stores across the US, as well as other major markets like UK/Aus, they're pretty easy to come across from retailers. The reputable shop where I got my Day 1 3080 which evaporated from the site which felt like it was DOS'd within about 30 minutes, going on a week later most 4080's you can walk into a store and buy. Doesn't really help that at least here, they're only about 20-25% cheaper than the 4090. Now that the initial wave is fairly settled, or at least will be in days to weeks tops, Nvidia and partners have a big problem, how are they going to move these cards without sizeable discounts. If AMD's launch stock is priced at MSRP and plentiful, even bigger problem. Plentiful remains to be seen but I'm sure hoping it is.

 

[HTC]

Guys take a look at this rtx 4080 review. It amazing and apselutely hilarious. Bitwit really risking being baned by nvidia for new gpu's with this.

This is glorious ...

 

[GhostRyder]

Cards are being sold for stupid high prices here in America. New retail in the box 4080s are going for between $1,300 and $2,000. On Ebay it's the same thing (sold prices) and the 3090 Ti new in box on Ebay it is the same.

I wish that I could say that gamers were rejecting these silly prices but they are not.

The 4080 is a midrange Ada. Nvidia has been deceiving gamers ever since the GTX 680.

Yea, I agree with you. Its been a slow game for awhile with the prices slowly creeping up. The reality is they just made an error thinking they would have similar demand to 2020/21 where they could price the cards where they wanted and they would still sell out.

This is like that old saying, if you throw a frog in boiling water, he will jump out, but if you put him in a pot of cool water and slowly turn the temperature he will die. Well, Nvidia decided to go from medium heat to high and most jumped out.

Considered at a worldwide level these cards are absolutely being rejected by the majority of people. Nvidia we're always guaranteed to sell some, but in various stores across the US, as well as other major markets like UK/Aus, they're pretty easy to come across from retailers. The reputable shop where I got my Day 1 3080 which evaporated from the site which felt like it was DOS'd within about 30 minutes, going on a week later most 4080's you can walk into a store and buy. Doesn't really help that at least here, they're only about 20-25% cheaper than the 4090. Now that the initial wave is fairly settled, or at least will be in days to weeks tops, Nvidia and partners have a big problem, how are they going to move these cards without sizeable discounts. If AMD's launch stock is priced at MSRP and plentiful, even bigger problem. Plentiful remains to be seen but I'm sure hoping it is.

Yea, I have seen them at Microcenter on the shelf even for MSRP. The scalpers seem to be confused because they keep putting these high prices on them and I always respond "You realize you can pick up one of these anywhere for MSRP"

At this point, they have a choice to make and they have had two setbacks with this launch. The bigger question will be what will the RTX 4070 (Or 4070ti) be priced at especially if we believe the 7900 XT and XTX will be competitive especially at the price.

 

[AusWolf]

At this point, they have a choice to make and they have had two setbacks with this launch. The bigger question will be what will the RTX 4070 (Or 4070ti) be priced at especially if we believe the 7900 XT and XTX will be competitive especially at the price.

They can't release the 4070 (Ti) before 30-series stock is gone from stores, otherwise they either 1. end up with a 4080-like fiasco, or 2. 30-series stock will never clear. As a matter of fact, they should have waited with the 4080 as well - they're just too greedy to do such a thing right before the RDNA 3 launch.

 

[Tomgang]

This is glorious ...

It's was really funny and there is some truth to it as well.