Radeon extremely low market share, only 8% in Q3 2022?

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Get your nerves come down a bit, think again and come again to spout nonsense, maybe improved.

You got three pages worth of trolling under your belt.

Give your head a wable it might get your cell firing again, that'll help while trying to troll me.

AMD obviously doesn't do drivers for consoles.

Yes pixies made them, meanwhile I have many years of no issues with AMD driver's because I know how to setup a pc correctly.

Meanwhile I have had a few issues with Nvidia drivers including right now on COD.

And my opinion is worth ten of yours because I said So.

 

[Bomby569]

Meanwhile I have had a few issues with Nvidia drivers including right now on COD.

that's because you don't know how to setup a PC properly. That's a you thing. The 5700 issues were widespread and public.

 

[Dr. Dro]

What on God's green earth are those poll options?

"Decrease image quality to be in line with NVIDIA", bro, I want some of what you're on because it must be the really good stuff! Were you like, just completely out of ideas to fill in poll options?

NVIDIA doesn't have lower image quality than Radeon, this has been debunked by just about every publication ever... Mining performance? Mining is deader than dead with Ethereum going proof of stake. Increase prices? If your hardware isn't selling, the last thing you want is to raise prices. I just... can't take this poll seriously.

Radeon's low market share is primarily due to AMD themselves highly prioritizing wafer allocation towards the high-margin CPU business, namely Epyc processors. This has been known for some time. NVIDIA has cards to sell, and miners have begun offloading cards onto the used market by the dumptruck given they're not gamers, never intended to play video games to begin with and like any unused tool, are simply a wasted asset to them.

To recuperate market share AMD needs:

- Great prices (which they have)
- More availability (which they don't have)
- Better marketing (this is extremely important!)
- Fix their software shortcomings (which are being intensely worked on - and RDNA 3 will bring the new hardware to back that up)

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

that's because you don't know how to setup a PC properly. That's a you thing. The 5700 issues were widespread and public.

It's a laptop, the hardware is what it is, issue included.

Early driver issues are not solely AMD domain nvidia's 2060 has been out quite some time yet I'm sat here seeing street lights through walls on COD so obviously nvidia's drivers are worse again because I said so.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Both GPU companies have slip-ups with driver quality, especially when it comes to new AAA games.

NVIDIA's perceived to be more stable in general, and AMD has gone through some really rough patches in the past couple of years, but I would argue the Radeon driver has the most potential in the future because it underwent (and is currently undergoing) major code refactoring and lots and lots of really low-level changes, plus all-new UMDs (user-mode drivers) for OpenGL and DirectX 11, major improvements to AMF (their media framework), updated encoding hardware to debut with RDNA 3, etc.

...and then you have NVIDIA on Linux, which is a nightmare I don't wish on anyone. Some flickering textures at launch sucks? Sure, but they were quick to issue a hotfix - and that should be enough.

It's a rather pointless argument if you ask me. Perfect software does not exist, currently, AMD's driver is perceived to be less performant and less stable, and perhaps it is - but to what degree? Is this important?

 

[Nordic]

This is not a matter of whether you have a choice or not. Future game engines will incorporate it directly and you will have no choice to ignore it, or deactivate it.

With the current adoption rate, that is many years away. I might consider ray tracing worthwhile when a low-mid end gpu matches 4090 ti in ray tracing performance. It's not like the 3 more fps the 3060 ti gets in ray tracing games will be relevant when I still get approximately 30 fps regardless.

 

[ARF]

To recuperate market share AMD needs:

- More availability (which they don't have)

Absolute rubbish.
The market is flooded with Radeons which no one buys.

Are you getting paid by AMD to advocate them?

AMD Radeon RX 6950 XT graphics card (2022) price comparison | Buy cheap at idealo

Have dozens and dozens of stores which offer them with great availability!

 

[Dr. Dro]

Absolute rubbish

That's something I will take as a compliment

Are you getting paid by AMD to advocate them?

No.

Have dozens and dozens of stores which offer them with great availability!

I don't think you understand market mechanics enough to make that assessment. Even if you took the entire sales volume from the DIY channel, that isn't enough to against one big OEM. I also fail to see the value in spending 849 euros on a 6950 XT with the 7900 XT being just two weeks away - and it's going to blow its socks off in terms of performance. What you're seeing there isn't great availability, it's the leftover flagship cards that almost no one wants to buy.

Hopefully we'll see some them and some other coaster 3090 Ti's being offloaded throughout the next year at nice prices.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

RX 6900 XT don't sell because used RTX 3090 are on Ebay for about -/+$500, which is still less than a New RX 6900 XT @ $630

 

[R-T-B]

there's still plenty of profitable mining coin to continue purchasing 3060s

No, there's not.

 

[maxfly]

This thread is just a turd waiting to be flushed.

 

[ARF]

Even if you took the entire sales volume from the DIY channel, that isn't enough to against one big OEM. I also fail to see the value in spending 849 euros on a 6950 XT with the 7900 XT being just two weeks away - and it's going to blow its socks off in terms of performance. What you're seeing there isn't great availability, it's the leftover flagship cards that almost no one wants to buy.

Hopefully we'll see some them and some other coaster 3090 Ti's being offloaded throughout the next year at nice prices.

Every single model Radeon starting from 6400 and ending with 6950 is available and available in all stores.
Putting lies here in order to justify your own lack of competence on the matter and justifying with pure nonsense the current situation won't make you look better.

The situation is clear - supply is high, demand is low.

 

[Dr. Dro]

This thread is just a turd waiting to be flushed.

Yeah, we fed the troll enough. Cheers

 

[ARF]

Yeah, we fed the troll enough. Cheers

What's your agenda?

Leftover flagship cards? Leftover from what? Do you even understand your own nonsense?

The flagship cards don't make the market share which is low 8%.
The lower end cards which are available make that market share.

Look, if you don't like the thread or don't agree with the facts, just leave the thread instead of polluting it with spam and not wanted "discussions" in which you contribute zero, nothing.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

What's your agenda?

Leftover flagship cards? Leftover from what? Do you even understand your own nonsense?

The flagship cards don't make the market share which is low 8%.
The lower end cards which are available make that market share.

Look, if you don't like the thread or don't agree with the facts, just leave the thread instead of polluting it with spam and not wanted "discussions" in which you contribute zero, nothing.

This shitfrst can't get more polluted, your so full of shit, and driving this thread so aggressively who would bother discussion with you, your agenda's clear, your tactics obvious and the conclusion will be just as bullshit and boring as the start.

I'd rather leave this shitfrst behind though so please don't reply.

 

[wheresmycar]

What do you want from AMD to improve, so that makes you buy a Radeon?​

I'm not familiar with AMD cards for personal use but seeing the 4080 is priced similar to my 256-bedroom house on a 18-mile radius island I have been looking at RX cards in the last couple of months. Interested to see if anything becomes available for ~$800 whilst boasting some meaningful performance gains over a 2080 TI or fingers crossed nV will stop being a tight-butt and release something equally enticing/better in that price range.

Considering my budget, i did vote for "decrease prices" which is more in reflection/hope of RDNA3 cards being reasonably priced (to some extent).

As long as raster perf is up to scratch for 1440p 144hz + drivers being sane or drawbacks quickly ironed out.... i'm on it! Not fussed about other features. Just want an upgrade to meet my performance goals in select titles.

 

[Psychoholic]

the main thing keeping me on NVidia right now is i have a $1700.00 GSync monitor (with the gsync hardware inside it) of course, it'll work with freesync too.
Besides that, i have a 3080 12Gb, and the first thing i do in any game is turn OFF raytracing, maybe its my 42 year old eyes but i just cant tell a big difference.

If the Radeon 7900XT is readily available I will be grabbing one of those.

 

[Frick]

We may never recover the ability to slap a GPU into a basic computer and play interesting games that are too demanding for consoles again.

That ability is predicated on games demanding more than a console can provide, and for the x86 sphere (PC/Xbox/PS) that is likely never to happen again, for a multitude of reasons (ROI being the big one). It also depends on what makes a game "interesting". I'd say "interesting" games that would require more than a console can provide would be one of three things: a) A game that really hammers the CPU. Like a beast of a simulation. b) AI driven, meaning tensor cores or whatever the AMD equivalent is. This would actually be interesting if used correctly. c) VR. I've said for a long time that a good* VR exclusive Half-Life 3 would be an amazing killer app, Alyx might be good but I wouldn't call it a killer app, mostly because I can play it but honestly I'm not that into it. The problem for all of these things are a lack of ROI.

*A good Half-Life 3 basically means "literally the best game ever made". HL2 is one of the best games ever made, and I say that as someone who is not into shooters. HL3 would have to be that but even more.

 

[64K]

That ability is predicated on games demanding more than a console can provide, and for the x86 sphere (PC/Xbox/PS) that is likely never to happen again, for a multitude of reasons (ROI being the big one). It also depends on what makes a game "interesting". I'd say "interesting" games that would require more than a console can provide would be one of three things: a) A game that really hammers the CPU. Like a beast of a simulation. b) AI driven, meaning tensor cores or whatever the AMD equivalent is. This would actually be interesting if used correctly. c) VR. I've said for a long time that a good* VR exclusive Half-Life 3 would be an amazing killer app, Alyx might be good but I wouldn't call it a killer app, mostly because I can play it but honestly I'm not that into it. The problem for all of these things are a lack of ROI.

*A good Half-Life 3 basically means "literally the best game ever made". HL2 is one of the best games ever made, and I say that as someone who is not into shooters. HL3 would have to be that but even more.

Gaben has a phobia of 3s. That's why there won't ever be a HL3, Left4Dead 3 or a Portal 3.

 

[chrcoluk]

Bankruptcy? No. Their stock has been doing very well, they make the chips for the two most popular games consoles and their CPU division is doing great.

I do think they need to drop the prices of their GPUs though and buy their way into people's computers.

 

[Nordic]

I have a definitive answer on this subject from TomsHardware

The Black Friday deals and Black Friday graphics card deals are here, and there are many great values. They're also almost universally on the AMD side of the party, as Nvidia's RTX 30-series remains overpriced, relative to AMD's RX 6000-series. It feels like Nvidia's prices are still stuck in early 2022 and haven't adjusted to the new reality, and in fact Nvidia retail prices have increased compared to September.

AMD Graphics Cards Are the Better Value at Every Price Point

Save money by opting for Radeon GPUs

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[birdie]

"Decrease image quality to be inline with nvidia"

This is false, ugly, pathetic and disgusting. Maybe it was meant to be a joke but it's so lame it's not a joke at all.

Over the past decade no one has been able to show/prove that NVIDIA is cheating in regard to image quality. They very briefly "cheated" over 15 years when their HW wasn't up to par in regard to anisotropic filtering but that's it. Also, for a long time NVIDIA defaulted to a limited color range when outputting to HDMI for compatibility reasons. It took literally 10 seconds to fix that in their drivers.

The biggest AMD problem is their fans and lame marketing/PR. No idea how it can be "fixed".

Those stupid jokes about "Poor Volta", "Melting power connector we don't use", etc. etc. etc. You don't win audience this way, you just prove you're childish/not professional.

AMD keeps bragging about their raster performance while the world is looking at ray/path tracing going forward.

NVIDIA manages to be cool while AMD tries to undercut NVIDIA using the tech which was relevant many years ago and then AMD still follows.

Gsync -> Freesync
DLSS -> FSR 2
Poor RTX performance -> Still poor RTX performance.

AMD needs to become a trend setter, not a poor friend follower. The RX 7000 series again will rival only Ampere in terms of RTX performance. That's just sad.

 

[InVasMani]

You don't, but 88% of the market do.

I fact checked your own pol andl only 21.3% voted for AMD improving proprietary features like Ray Tracing, DLSS, and Physx COMBINED. Lied detector has determined this is some Nvidia shill sh*t bullocks.

 

[Dr. Dro]

"Decrease image quality to be inline with nvidia"

This is false, ugly, pathetic and disgusting. Maybe it was meant to be a joke but it's so lame it's not a joke at all.

Over the past decade no one has been able to show/prove that NVIDIA is cheating in regard to image quality. They very briefly "cheated" over 15 years when their HW wasn't up to par in regard to anisotropic filtering but that's it. Also, for a long time NVIDIA defaulted to a limited color range when outputting to HDMI for compatibility reasons. It took literally 10 seconds to fix that in their drivers.

The biggest AMD problem is their fans and lame marketing/PR. No idea how it can be "fixed".

Those stupid jokes about "Poor Volta", "Melting power connector we don't use", etc. etc. etc. You don't win audience this way, you just prove you're childish/not professional.

AMD keeps bragging about their raster performance while the world is looking at ray/path tracing going forward.

NVIDIA manages to be cool while AMD tries to undercut NVIDIA using the tech which was relevant many years ago and then AMD still follows.

Gsync -> Freesync
DLSS -> FSR 2
Poor RTX performance -> Still poor RTX performance.

AMD needs to become a trend setter, not a poor friend follower. The RX 7000 series again will rival only Ampere in terms of RTX performance. That's just sad.

Honestly Ampere RT performance is good enough for now, if the raster performance delivers. I can play Crysis 3 remastered very well with my RTX 3090.

But I otherwise agree in general. Especially about the lame fanboys and their endless stupidity (best showcased by the whole image quality lie perpetuated).

 

[Bet0n]

I would say this article is sensationalist but that's not uncommon on these "hardware" sites.
The way we should look at market share numbers is not quarter by quarter but by using a moving average so by averaging x amount of quarterly results.

3dcenter.org has this chart in their article: https://www.3dcenter.org/dateien/abbildungen/GPU-Add-in-Board-Market-Share-2002-to-Q3-2022.png

For example if you want to know the market share of the previous generation of cards (Ampere vs RDNA 2) then average the data since the Ampere launch and the result is 81.33% vs 18.66%. And this is normal, AMD's market share has been around 20% for a long time. Not really healthy from the consumers perspective because NV is controlling the market but that's the way it is.
This generation (Ampere vs RDNA2) was basically about crypto mining and so IMO this timeframe is not a good indication of AMD's "mindshare" (market share) because it didn't matter if RDNA 2 cards would've been better perf/$ _in gaming_ because everything was sold out all the time.
What this timeframe shows is that AMD has much lower capacity vs. Nvidia when it comes to providing GPUs. What happens next should be much more interesting because now after the mining boom ended we have normal circumstances.

Nevertheless AMD has much work to do if they want a higher percentage: marketing, drivers, presentation. But I'm not sure if they care at all. The GPU business has low margins, they're much more likely to use the available production capacity at TSMC for Epyc CPUs. I think they view their GPU lineup as a proving ground for their semi-custom partners (Sony, Microsoft, others).

I have to add that NV is a master at manipulating people. I mean they introduced a feature (ray-tracing) which is basically a gimmick (barely anybody turns it on even on NV cards, it drastically lowers performance and barely noticable) but now two generations after the introduction it's hard to sell AMD cards because they're slower than slow in RT. And they didn't even improve the RT performance since the Turing generation, what we see in games is still just improved raster performance, but turning on RT has the same performance penalty on Turing, on Ampere and on Lovelace. Not sure if this is intentional by NV or their architecture has bottlenecks somewhere. So yeah.