MSI MEG X670E ACE

[AnarchoPrimitiv]

I think it's a travesty that a motherboard at this level doesn't have a USB 4 port. If I could, I'd be willing to give up the 20Gbps USB 3.2x2 port and two 10Gbps USB 3 ports to get a single USB4 port. USB4 may not have a lot of new uses at the moment, but I'm sure in the next year or so, a bunch of new devices will emerge that utilize the bandwidth.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

@DemonicRyzen666 The second slot will always work at x8 as it splits the lanes wit the first slot. Just like AM4, only x16+4 lanes coming from the CPU. AM5 (Ryzen 70000) has 16+4+4.

right which is why I said most AM4 x570 won't do 8x first slot/x8 second slot (still 16 lanes), like they should be able to do.

From my research these are the only AM4 x570 & x470 that do split lane to the 8x/8x

MSI MEG ACE x570, Asrock Taichi x570, MSI x570 godlike, gigabyte X570 Aorus master, Asus Crosshar VII hero.

ironicly they're all boards that support SLI.

 

[Tek-Check]

If I could, I'd be willing to give up the 20Gbps USB 3.2x2 port and two 10Gbps USB 3 ports to get a single USB4 port.

How difficult it could be MSI? They don't seem to like Intel's Thunderbolt chips. It is Asus and Asrock that have embraced those as USB4 solution while we are waiting for native USB4 chip from Asmedia.

This is the "but sometimes..." argument, which is a fallacy. P

I agree with the rationale of your argument. It's perfectly reasonable.

But, again, it is not up to vendors to make that kind of reasoning and decide for us not to include manual. Besides, there are laws in many countries mandating the presence of manuals.

The best they can do is to offer manual for a small free, say $1 or €1, while board is purchased, if country law allows it.

 

[b1k3rdude]

I own a MEG 570 Ace and it was a good board for the money (£299) I paid in 2019. But even then that was a too much for a motherboard, but I figured I would have it for a while and thats how I justified paying £100-150 more than I normally do for a motherboard. And on the subject of my board, I see Msi have replaced it with a slightly differant version and slapped on an extra £100 - f*** off and do one Msi...!!!

Than we have what is basiclly the replacement for this board, but here in the Uk its priced at £800+, so a £500 price increase for what is nothing more than PCIe Gen 5 and 10GB ethernet. Neither of these are going to be in wide use for atleast another 2yrs. Its already been shown that contemorary GPU's barely make any use out of PCIe4, NVME drives are no faster on random IOPS on PCIe4 than compared to PCIe3. And consumer grade 10GB ethernet switches dont exist. Like nVidia, Msi need a f***ing reality check. They made sh**s load of money through the pandemic due to supply and demand and clearly, think the buying public are stupid enough to fall for the same con twice.

But on the subject of a £800+ this board should be flawless. I get why there is no manual, but not on a £800+ board. The issue of the 3rd slot sharing connection with one or more of the USB-C ports, my 570 does something like this, but thats a £300 board.

This motherboard is a hard NO! If I upgrade to AM5 its gonna be 670(nonE) or B650E.

 

[Ravenas]

ATM pcie 5 is a complete waste of money and the addage of future proofing especially at this price is imo foolishness atm because you never know what next gen boards will have and given AMD artificially blocked CPU upgrades on am4 I've no faith they won't do it again.

I’ve been using AMD for quite some time for my personal rig. One thing I enjoy is their lengthy socket support in comparison to Intel. There are no guarantees, but I’m not sure why AMD would change their track record.

Anyhow, AM4 has been supported since 2016 when launched. AMD promised AM4 socket support until 2020, but extended that to 2022 with the awesome 5800X3D.

Im not sure about your faith in companies, but their track record shows they go above and beyond on platform longevity in comparison to their competitor.

 

[Broken Processor]

I’ve been using AMD for quite some time for my personal rig. One thing I enjoy is their lengthy socket support in comparison to Intel. There are no guarantees, but I’m not sure why AMD would change their track record.

Anyhow, AM4 has been supported since 2016 when launched. AMD promised AM4 socket support until 2020, but extended that to 2022 with the awesome 5800X3D.

Im not sure about your faith in companies, but their track record shows they go above and beyond on platform longevity in comparison to their competitor.

Yes the same socket but ask the owner's of 3xx I only got 5000 support in may this year and a lot of x470 only got the update just before 7000 series announcement so yeah.

 

[bl4C3y3]

Hi thanks for the review, I have a question about "MSI Center" from the page "Board Software":
Have you been able to get this working on Windows 11 ? Which version did you use ? Do you use the Microsoft Store app or the one from the website ?
On the "Installation & Test Setup" page, the used OS is "Windows 11 Pro 64-bit", but the screenshot of "MSI Center" shows Windows 10 (or at least the clock area in the taskbar looks like W10)

(I'm wondering, because i have been trying to run the MSI Center on a fresh install of W11pro 22H2 on an MSI B650 motherboard ... while both the Store app and the website download seem to install fine, nothing happens when launching them )

 

[Ravenas]

Yes the same socket but ask the owner's of 3xx I only got 5000 support in may this year and a lot of x470 only got the update just before 7000 series announcement so yeah.

The fact you can run 5800X3d on a flagship x370 board that launched in 2016.

If this holds true, could we run a 2028 release on a x670. All the while the LGA1700 platform just died with exception of the 13900KS?

 

[Broken Processor]

The fact you can run 5800X3d on a flagship x370 board that launched in 2016.

If this holds true, could we run a 2028 release on a x670. All the while the LGA1700 platform just died?

Yeah it's like an ambulance arriving to a funeral... Just because Intel is worse doesn't mean AMD was good on the issue.

 

[Ravenas]

Yeah it's like an ambulance arriving to a funeral... Just because Intel is worse doesn't mean AMD was good on the issue.

I’m not sure how you could state AMD is not good on the issue. They have supported beyond their stated support. The issue as it relates to this thread is purchasing a high end mobo that could potentially last 8 years. That’s what the evidence shows, and hopefully AMD continues.

 

[samum]

With all AM5 chips having an iGPU, that's boards need video outputs. MSI leaves this off their Intel boards, too. Yeah, you're going to have a video card, but the iGPU is completely useless without connections.

 

[Broken Processor]

With all AM5 chips having an iGPU, that's boards need video outputs. MSI leaves this off their Intel boards, too. Yeah, you're going to have a video card, but the iGPU is completely useless without connections.

If I read correctly one of the type C ports can be used for video out, I hope they included a type C to hdmi or display port.

I’m not sure how you could state AMD is not good on the issue. They have supported beyond their stated support. The issue as it relates to this thread is purchasing a high end mobo that could potentially last 8 years. That’s what the evidence shows, and hopefully AMD continues.

Technically you're correct because they came good at the end, it was the in-between that was the issue.
People upgraded because AMD dragged there feet for so long.
Your a long serving member this can't be the first time your hearing of this or maybe you've just taken you red tinted glasses off.

 

[Ravenas]

Technically you're correct because they came good at the end, it was the in-between that was the issue.
People upgraded because AMD dragged there feet for so long.
Your a long serving member this can't be the first time your hearing of this or maybe you've just taken you red tinted glasses off.

I know exactly what you're speaking of, but in the end, AMD supported beyond what they stated and listened to their customers. If billion dollar corporations did that more often, I would wear their shades

So, the point still stands, evidence supports long term platform support from AMD, and that's the great thing about the long term potential for this board.

 

[ir_cow]

Hi thanks for the review, I have a question about "MSI Center" from the page "Board Software":
Have you been able to get this working on Windows 11 ? Which version did you use ? Do you use the Microsoft Store app or the one from the website ?
On the "Installation & Test Setup" page, the used OS is "Windows 11 Pro 64-bit", but the screenshot of "MSI Center" shows Windows 10 (or at least the clock area in the taskbar looks like W10)
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(I'm wondering, because i have been trying to run the MSI Center on a fresh install of W11pro 22H2 on an MSI B650 motherboard ... while both the Store app and the website download seem to install fine, nothing happens when launching them )

I was using Win10. its my dummy for software so not to ruin my test OS drive . Anyways go to MSI page, Win 11 version can be downloaded https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MEG-X670E-ACE/support#utility . You are using a different MB, so look for the software that is for specific one.

Technically you're correct because they came good at the end, it was the in-between that was the issue.
People upgraded because AMD dragged there feet for so long.
Your a long serving member this can't be the first time your hearing of this or maybe you've just taken you red tinted glasses off.

If I remember correctly the reason why X370 / X470 didn't get support for Ryzen 5000 for so long is because the BIOS wasn't big enough to accommodate all the CPUs SKUs from multiple years. Even now most X570 do not support Ryzen 1000 series. I believe MSI even gave a big PR thing (at 5000 launch) saying if you install the newest BIOS for X470, you will not be able to use Ryzen 1000. Good new is the X670E has has a much larger BIOS chip and a dual BIOS, you in theory if this happens again, just set it to the second BIOS and flash it to the CPU you are using. What a strange problem for AMD to have. Support the socket so long that it cannot add all the CPU SKUs at once lol. A little short sighted, but who knew 32Mb BIOS would be filled so quickly . Now we are on 256Mb.

 

[Broken Processor]

I know exactly what you're speaking of, but in the end, AMD supported beyond what they stated and listened to their customers. If billion dollar corporations did that more often, I would wear their shades

So, the point still stands, evidence supports long term platform support from AMD, and that's the great thing about the long term potential for this board.

You achieved nothing other than showing you bias. Good luck.

If I remember correctly the reason why X370 / X470 didn't get support for Ryzen 5000 for so long is because the BIOS wasn't big enough to accommodate all the CPUs SKUs from multiple years. Even now most X570 do not support Ryzen 1000 series. I believe MSI even gave a big PR thing (at 5000 launch) saying if you install the newest BIOS for X470, you will not be able to use Ryzen 1000. Good new is the X670E has has a much larger BIOS size and a dual BIOS, you in theory if this happens again, just set it to the second BIOS and flash it to the CPU you are using. What a strange problem for AMD to have. Support the socket so long that it cannot add all the CPU SKUs at once lol. A little short sighted, but who knew 32Mb BIOS would be filled so quickly . Now we are on 256Mb.

Yeah was definitely MSI I had one of those boards but I think other manufacturers where fine I know my gigabyte board had zero issues.

 

[Tek-Check]

With all AM5 chips having an iGPU, that's boards need video outputs. MSI leaves this off their Intel boards, too. Yeah, you're going to have a video card, but the iGPU is completely useless without connections.

It has USB-C output for DisplayPort from onboard graphics.

 

[bl4C3y3]

I was using Win10. its my dummy for software so not to ruin my test OS drive . Anyways go to MSI page, Win 11 version can be downloaded https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MEG-X670E-ACE/support#utility . You are using a different MB, so look for the software that is for specific one.

Thanks for the reply. I've tried MSI Center from the MSI website and the Microsoft store, but none of them work for me in W11. The version of MSI Center for the MEG X670E ACE and the one I have (MAG B650 Tomahawk) seems to be the same (1.0.65.0, 566.48MB, for both W10 and W11).
So, I'm just wondering if something is going on with MSI Center in W11, and when reading this review and saw MSI Center mentioned, I was looking for some 'validation'
In general, it would be interesting to know how/if the included board software works on the 2 main operation systems (W10/W11), as this could influence the experience.
I think it could a good addition to a motherboard review ... but only in case it doesn't work , if it works then it doesn't matter what OS is used/shown.

 

[mama]

right which is why I said most AM4 x570 won't do 8x first slot/x8 second slot (still 16 lanes), like they should be able to do.

From my research these are the only AM4 x570 & x470 that do split lane to the 8x/8x

MSI MEG ACE x570, Asrock Taichi x570, MSI x570 godlike, gigabyte X570 Aorus master, Asus Crosshar VII hero.

ironicly they're all boards that support SLI.

...and Gigabyte Aorus Extreme X670E

 

[ir_cow]

SLI is dead and has been for quite some time now. I'm not sure who is buying a new system and using GTX 1080 Ti SLI. No new SLI profiles are being made so all these recent big titles wouldn't even use it anyways. Vendors have to pay NVIDIA to be SLI certified. A waste of money unless its a XOC MB.

 

[Ravenas]

SLI is dead and has been for quite some time now. I'm not sure who is buying a new system and using GTX 1080 Ti SLI. No new SLI profiles are being made so all these recent big titles wouldn't even use it anyways. Vendors have to pay NVIDIA to be SLI certified. A waste of money unless its a XOC MB.

Even if there were Nvidia and AMD support, where is the developer support for the last decade? Hence Nvidia dropping SLI support.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

Even if there were Nvidia and AMD support, where is the developer support for the last decade? Hence Nvidia dropping SLI support.

can you guys please stop with the myth pushing.
15% of games when theres only 261 games support Dx12

SLI is dead and has been for quite some time now. I'm not sure who is buying a new system and using GTX 1080 Ti SLI. No new SLI profiles are being made so all these recent big titles wouldn't even use it anyways. Vendors have to pay NVIDIA to be SLI certified. A waste of money unless its a XOC MB.

SLI was for DX11 & about 18% (1064) of games from Dx9-Dx11 supported it .
mGPU is suppose to be all on game engine/developer.
Except with mGPU in DX12 you have to SLI support for mGPU to even work on Nvidia. Nvidia is purposely making it harder to work then normal.
You can literly buy two of any RNDA2 cards in the same class two RX 6500 XT, two 6400 XT,bn6700 Xt two 6800 XT, & mGPu & AMD mootherboards claim support for AMd multi-card AMD & boards together works just fine.

...and Gigabyte Aorus Extreme X670E

oh I was only aware of the MSI Godlike on x670e having SLI support on AM5. I was reading it's manual online, & found it in writing.
I'm not finding it the manual it only says Crossfire support.

 

[Ravenas]

can you guys please stop with the myth pushing.
15% of games when theres only 261 games support Dx12


SLI was for DX11 & about 18% (1064) of games from Dx9-Dx11 supported it .
mGPU is suppose to be all on game engine/developer.
Except with mGPU in DX12 you have to SLI support for mGPU to even work on Nvidia. Nvidia is purposely making it harder to work then normal.
You can literly buy two of any RNDA2 cards in the same class two RX 6500 XT, two 6400 XT,bn6700 Xt two 6800 XT, & mGPu & AMD mootherboards claim support for AMd multi-card AMD & boards together works just fine.

oh I was only aware of the MSI Godlike on x670e having SLI support on AM5. I was reading it's manual online, & found it in writing.
I'm not finding it the manual it only says Crossfire support.

Myth? It looks like you just restated what I said in your own post.

“mGPU is suppose to be all on game engine/developer.”

Again, where is the developer support? Maybe they don’t due to financial resources? Back when it was actually popular, most games didn’t support because most games are developed with console first in mind (single). However, even the ones that did you’re better off going with a single GPU solution because at the end of the day it’s cheaper and you get equal to or better performance than the SLI/crossfire.

 

[ir_cow]

I tried AMD 6700 XT Crossfire and it didn't work so well. Most games either crashed upon starting or never used the second card even though it was "active". Switch to Vulken and well besides RDR2, it was pretty trash as well, either crashing or refusing to work with Crossfire enabled.

On NVIDIA side, last time I SLIed something was... well I can't remember, Titan OG cards? It worked "okay" for the select few titles it was supported by. But once new games came out those profiles didn't work with the older cards. That is on NVIDIA for not extending SLI support when it was a thing, but I can't say I enjoyed the random problems it caused. Losing SLI connection. monitor flickering, randomly losing the SLI profile. New drivers removing SLI support for games that did work previously...

 

[Ravenas]

What’s causing the Asrock Tachi C to pull better nvme rates on the CPU direct connect versus the MSI Ace MEG?

Does the AsRock have active cooling on the heat sink?

 

[ir_cow]

What’s causing the Asrock Tachi C to pull better nvme rates on the CPU direct connect versus the MSI Ace MEG?

Does the AsRock have active cooling on the heat sink?

I haven't figured out why some reach 7GB/s and other only 6GB/s. My working theory was the Gen5 sockets that are CPU attached always hit 6800-7000 (gen 4 nvmes) and chipset ones are 6100~. That idea broke down with the X670E Valkyrie which all 4 reach the peak, but only two are Gen5 and attached to the CPU (so I believe). I should pull that MB back out. At the time I thought it was strange as well and wrote about it. But I also checked the PCIe slots to make sure they were still at the rated speed... hmmm. Now I'm second guessing myself.