AMD Ryzen 5 7600X

[Why_Me]

I haven't said anything about specific prices (I don't know anything about that, unfortunately ), but I might have speculated about base prices maybe? I know I wrote something about something in that direction in the past couple of days, but I can't remember if I pulled a number out of my rear end or if I just said "cheap" You might be thinking about someone else too I guess.

I really, really hope we'll see decent B650 boards in that range as well, and I completely agree with you on 250+ boards being just silly for pretty much any ordinary use. They have tons of features, so it's not like you aren't getting anything for your money - but it's not things that people actually need. Personally I wouldn't worry about forward compatibility though. If it has VRMs to run a 7950X full tilt (which it ought to have - but that's also a big part of why prices are rising!) then it should handle any future AM5 CPU, given that the socket is specced at 230W, and that is unlikely to change. Of course you're still dependent on BIOS updates to support new hardware. I just hope AMD is less flaky about that this time around.

MSI PRO B650M-A WIFI AM5 Micro-ATX Motherboard

Buy MSI PRO B650M-A WIFI AM5 Micro-ATX Motherboard featuring Micro-ATX Form Factor, AMD B650 Chipset, AM5 Socket, 4 x Dual-Channel DDR5 RAM Slots, PCIe 4.0 x16 | PCIe 4.0 x16 (x4 Mode), PCIe 3.0 x1, Wi-Fi 6E | Bluetooth 5.2 | 2.5 GbE, USB-C 3.2 Gen 1 & Gen 2 Ports, HDMI | DisplayPort, Windows 10...

www.bhphotovideo.com

MSI PRO B650M-A WIFI $199.99

AMD B650 Motherboards Listed at U.S. Retailer Starting at $199

A first look at pricing for budget Zen 4 AM5 motherboards.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[catulitechup]

MSI PRO B650M-A WIFI AM5 Micro-ATX Motherboard

Buy MSI PRO B650M-A WIFI AM5 Micro-ATX Motherboard featuring Micro-ATX Form Factor, AMD B650 Chipset, AM5 Socket, 4 x Dual-Channel DDR5 RAM Slots, PCIe 4.0 x16 | PCIe 4.0 x16 (x4 Mode), PCIe 3.0 x1, Wi-Fi 6E | Bluetooth 5.2 | 2.5 GbE, USB-C 3.2 Gen 1 & Gen 2 Ports, HDMI | DisplayPort, Windows 10...

www.bhphotovideo.com

MSI PRO B650M-A WIFI $199.99

AMD B650 Motherboards Listed at U.S. Retailer Starting at $199

A first look at pricing for budget Zen 4 AM5 motherboards.

www.tomshardware.com

But but but 125us mainboards where stay ??

 

[Valantar]

But but but 125us mainboards where stay ??

... so you're taking a few leaked B550 motherboard prices as confirmation that there will be no boards at the advertised $125 price point? Solid logic, that.

 

[Why_Me]

... so you're taking a few leaked B550 motherboard prices as confirmation that there will be no boards at the advertised $125 price point? Solid logic, that.

A $125 B650 DDR5 board if one exist is going to be pretty lean.

First B650 Motherboard Pricing Detailed by B&H

US retailer B&H has kindly provided the first B650 motherboard pricing and it's something of a mixed bag. The company has listed no less than seven different models from MSI, ranging in price from US$199.99 to US$329.99. It doesn't appear as if any of these boards are based on the B650E chipset...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Steevo]

How long before we see vapor chamber IHS on stock processors?

 

[wheresmycar]

How long before we see vapor chamber IHS on stock processors?

is that even a thing?

I thought vapor chambers were specifically designed to more effectively dissipate heat via heatpipes?

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

is that even a thing?

I thought vapor chambers were specifically designed to more effectively dissipate heat via heatpipes?

No, but it could be. A vapor chamber is very efficient at spreading heat laterally. Integrating it with the heatpipes is just an extra benefit.

 

[Steevo]

No, but it could be. A vapor chamber is very efficient at spreading heat laterally. Integrating it with the heatpipes is just an extra benefit.

And the die surface area seems to be the hold back on these chips, maybe when they release the 3D chip they can add it to help with heat dissipation.

is the CPU die up or down on the the chip when installed?

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

And the die surface area seems to be the hold back on these chips, maybe when they release the 3D chip they can add it to help with heat dissipation.

is the CPU die up or down on the the chip when installed?

Should show in der8auer's delid video.

 

[Valantar]

How long before we see vapor chamber IHS on stock processors?

I've been asking this for years already. It's bound to arrive at some point, either as a third party product or stock offering on extreme models. Price and structural integrity would both be challenges to overcome first though.

 

[lexluthermiester]

No, but it could be. A vapor chamber is very efficient at spreading heat laterally. Integrating it with the heatpipes is just an extra benefit.

This. Spot on!

 

[wheresmycar]

No, but it could be. A vapor chamber is very efficient at spreading heat laterally. Integrating it with the heatpipes is just an extra benefit.

Gotcha!! I thought vapor chambers and heatpipes opened up into each other. Looking into it a little deeper, i see these are separate mechanisms joined together for conductive heat transfer opposed to transfer of vapor.

I get it now... lateral heat spread > more "equal" IHS surface roasting > potentially improved thermals with coolers more easily transfering/dissipating heat.

If this is correct, please gimme a pat on the back (i'm learning)

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

Gotcha!! I thought vapor chambers and heatpipes opened up into each other. Looking into it a little deeper, i see these are separate mechanisms joined together for conductive heat transfer opposed to transfer of vapor.

I get it now... lateral heat spread > more "equal" IHS surface roasting > potentially improved thermals with coolers more easily transfering/dissipating heat.

If this is correct, please gimme a pat on the back (i'm learning)

Yup. Some coolers "may" have them integrated, to help balance the heat across the pipes, but I am speaking theoretically.

 

[AleXXX666]

Quite a flop and doesn't bring much to the table compared to ADL. Raptor Lake has a chance to beat zen 4 on price and performance.

if only with ddr4. or you will be getting slower therefore cheaper cpus lol.

 

[gffermari]

 

[THU31]

If they are smart, they will do a 7600X3D and destroy all Intel CPUs in gaming performance (probably even Meteor Lake) with incredible value.

If they are greedy (like with Zen 3), they will only do that with 8 cores and above. I do not think they can afford to be greedy this time, with how poorly Zen 4 is selling. Seriously, 7600X3D at $300-350, lower the price of the 7600X to $250 and release a 7600 at $200 or slightly below (depending on what the 13400 does). This would be a win.

 

[Valantar]

If they are smart, they will do a 7600X3D and destroy all Intel CPUs in gaming performance (probably even Meteor Lake) with incredible value.

If they are greedy (like with Zen 3), they will only do that with 8 cores and above. I do not think they can afford to be greedy this time, with how poorly Zen 4 is selling. Seriously, 7600X3D at $300-350, lower the price of the 7600X to $250 and release a 7600 at $200 or slightly below (depending on what the 13400 does). This would be a win.

Yeah, I can't quite bring myself to believe that AMD would be stupid enough to not go hard for competing on price once the X3D models launch. Cut the 7600X to $200-230, launch the 7600X3D at $250-270 - $300 at the very most - go after Intel where it hurts, in the mass market gaming parts, where the PR victories live. Even if the DIY market is tiny overall, it's vitally important for PR and gaining marketshare long term, and they can't afford to waste the goodwill they gained with Zen2 and Zen3. And competitive DIY value sells a ton of prebuilts and laptops.

 

[Why_Me]

His benches run contrary to just about every tech site on the internet including this one.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-13600k/
Intel Core i5-13600K Review - Best Gaming CPU

 

[Valantar]

His benches run contrary to just about every tech site on the internet including this one.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-13600k/
Intel Core i5-13600K Review - Best Gaming CPU

The difference between these results is small enough that it is easily explained by differences in games tested, test scenes and so on.

 

[Wasteland]

The difference between these results is small enough that it is easily explained by differences in games tested, test scenes and so on.

Right, HUB even said that it's effectively a tie in the video, which is the only sensible conclusion. The 7600x's problem is that it's vastly inferior to the 13600k in heavy multi-threaded workloads, and at an analogous price point. It does run at lower power, which is nice, but I think quibbling over low single-digit gaming perf differences is silly here. AMD needs to lower prices in this space.

 

[Why_Me]

The difference between these results is small enough that it is easily explained by differences in games tested, test scenes and so on.

Good luck on finding a tech site that has the same results as HUB in regards to those two cpu's.

 

[Valantar]

Good luck on finding a tech site that has the same results as HUB in regards to those two cpu's.

... as I said, different test methodologies, test scenes, games, etc. To have they same results those would have to be the same, so... yes?

 

[lexluthermiester]

The difference between these results is small enough that it is easily explained by differences in games tested, test scenes and so on.

Otherwise known as "margin of error".

 

[omerfak]

IGP performance is better than I expected. My Core i5 struggles playing indie games with the IGP.

 

[Lordken]

I think there is small mistake in table UE5 on page8 https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-5-7600x/8.html , i somehow doubt that i5 11400F is fastest? probably it should be 146.3s instead 46?

EDIT: does this forum work fine in FF? Tried to quote original post (to tag wizzard) but apparently I cant get it to show here...