Why does everyone hate the 4080?

[Omga4000]

Aaaaaaaand Ray-Tracing is trash.
The 4080 is ~17% stronger for ~20% more money.

I'd still probably return it and wait for an RTX 4090, but very disappointed with the AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX. Was hoping for better competition.
It's great in non-RT games, though. Worth it if you don't care about RT, just because of the lower price.

 

[eidairaman1]

17% isnt that massive

 

[wolf]

17% isnt that massive

It doesn't seem like much when averaged which includes the AMD sponsored titles with super light use of effects where the 7900XTX holds it's head up very high vs Ada, but in the heavier games, it loses by a lot more. I really hope AMD sponsored games don't continue the gimping trend for the next 2 years, but seeing this I fear they will.

From the TPU review - RT on
Control - 34.8fps vs 45.2fps - 4080 is 29.9% faster
CP2077 - 20.0fps vs 29.1fps - 4080 is 45.5% faster

From the Techspot review - RT on
Dying light 2 - 27fps vs 39fps - 4080 is 44.4% faster
marvels GOTG - 53fps vs 72 fps - 4080 is 35.8% faster

Now of course, those are cherry picked to make my point, and as I said above in lighter AMD sponsored games (mostly), the difference is FAR narrower, but I'd rather hang my hat on the heavy stuff/worst case scenario's for RT than count on the average of the 4080 being only 17% faster, if RT matters to you (does to me).

 

[nguyen]

Time is money, OP just wasted a month LOL.

Edit: W1zzard was dead right

 

[Omga4000]

17% isnt that massive

It's massive when we're talking about sub-30 FPS vs. above 30 FPS in many cases.

Time is money, OP just wasted a month LOL.

Edit: W1zzard was dead right

Luckily I didn't waste my time as I am missing all other parts anyway.
I'm gonna go ahead and build it soon - waiting for the Seasonic Vertex reviews

 

[TITAN RTX 4100]

Aaaaaaaand Ray-Tracing is trash.
The 4080 is ~17% stronger for ~20% more money

The 4080 is actually 71% more money than the 3080, not 20%. $1199 vs $699 is almost double the price.

 

[Omga4000]

The 4080 is actually 71% more money than the 3080, not 20%. $1199 vs $699 is almost double the price.

4080 vs. RX 7900 XTX - not compared to a 3080.

 

[W1zzard]

Time is money, OP just wasted a month LOL.

Edit: W1zzard was dead right

 

[ExcuseMeWtf]

It's massive when we're talking about sub-30 FPS vs. above 30 FPS in many cases.

Not really.

Example meeting this formula would be 28 fps average vs 32,76 fps average.

So latter would still include sub-30 fps dips here and there.

 

[TITAN RTX 4100]

4080 vs. RX 7900 XTX - not compared to a 3080.

Oh. Just like I sometimes do, I see one thing, and don't look at the rest.

 

[Omga4000]

Not really.

Example meeting this formula would be 28 fps average vs 32,76 fps average.

So latter would still include sub-30 fps dips here and there.

Exactly. Expect dips.
Just looking at Control you can see ~35 FPS for the 7900 XTX compared to ~45 FPS for the 4080.
Assuming dips, a somewhat worse processor, slower RAM, etc.. - this will probably be a sub-30 (or near 30) FPS experience with the 7900 XTX for the average joe.
There is a much greater chance of getting a steady above 30 FPS with the RTX 4080 in this example.

Oh. Just like I sometimes do, I see one thing, and don't look at the rest.

Is this my wife's account?

 

[blued]

Mark my words, the 4080 will sink in price in due time. Look to 3-6 months and $799-899. Reason is Nvidia is locked into a massive pre-paid contract with TSMC which they cant back out of. They can delay it for maybe a quarter or so, but they will end up with a massive influx of inventory that will be hard to move without cutting prices significantly. Not much stock now, but it will be coming out of their ears in due time.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Mark my words, the 4080 will sink in price in due time. Look to 3-6 months and $799-899. Reason is Nvidia is locked into a massive pre-paid contract with TSMC which they cant back out of. They can delay it for maybe a quarter or so, but they will end up with a massive influx of inventory that will be hard to move without cutting prices significantly. Not much stock now, but it will be coming out of their ears in due time.

Possibly but the BOM price especially the cost of that monolithic die will dramatically limit how much they can drop price's, remember, Nvidia has shareholders that are hell bent on they're gross margins and they are not arsed what we the consumer think(shareholders though there's a lot of evidence Jensun doesn't give a shit too).

 

[bug]

Possibly but the BOM price especially the cost of that monolithic die will dramatically limit how much they can drop price's, remember, Nvidia has shareholders that are hell bent on they're gross margins and they are not arsed what we the consumer think(shareholders though there's a lot of evidence Jensun doesn't give a shit too).

3080 is built on a 630 sq mm die, 4080 is built on a 380 sq mm one. Sure, the newer process commands a price premium, but there should be some room for lowering that price. But I wouldn't buy one if it went for $700-800, so I'm not worried either way.

 

[Felix123BU]

People hate it because its a shit product for the price, a cash grab, a big big FU to all potential customers. Generally people do not like being screwed over, and when its this obvious....you get hate
There is basically 0 reason for a 1200 price tag on such a small chip, except greed and not giving a damn about your customers.

 

[Vayra86]

Possibly but the BOM price especially the cost of that monolithic die will dramatically limit how much they can drop price's, remember, Nvidia has shareholders that are hell bent on they're gross margins and they are not arsed what we the consumer think(shareholders though there's a lot of evidence Jensun doesn't give a shit too).

Margins are all well and good, but Nvidia's dominance hangs on market share dominance, not its margins - those are a result of dominance. They've recently hit a new peak with 88%. If that starts falling down, you can bet shareholders get nervous too, at some threshold.

Also, we shouldn't look at the PC discrete graphics market/gaming in isolation, but also its competition from the console side. Nvidia may command the lion's share of PC gaming, but it has zero % on consoles. And the latter still defines a lot of the progress we see in gaming, even wrt VR adoption the consoles have a big voice, even though they're not leading that in any way. What was the most accessible VR headset thus far... PSVR. What's the most accessible RT content right now? That which appears on consoles people already had.

Nvidia pricing itself out of large sales numbers is a direct advantage to AMD. AMD knows this, its why they maintain price parity with Nvidia now. They're not worried. RDNA3 is proof of concept more than anything else; probably the reason the dedication to dGPU is still not quite as consistent as we'd want, going by RDNA3's launch.

 

[eidairaman1]

People hate it because its a shit product for the price, a cash grab, a big big FU to all potential customers. Generally people do not like being screwed over, and when its this obvious....you get hate
There is basically 0 reason for a 1200 price tag on such a small chip, except greed and not giving a damn about your customers.

Nv is a big fu to consumers

 

[Psychoholic]

I honestly dont get all the hate for the 4080, I've been loving mine.. Blows my old 3080 away while using around 130w less power.
BTW, price per frame on average is lower than the 4090, but the 4090 doesnt get all the hate.

 

[bug]

I honestly dont get all the hate for the 4080, I've been loving mine.. Blows my old 3080 away while using around 130w less power.
BTW, price per frame on average is lower than the 4090, but the 4090 doesnt get all the hate.

It's still a video card that's over a grand. Even if they can afford it, most people have better things to buy with that money.

 

[nguyen]

It's still a video card that's over a grand. Even if they can afford it, most people have better things to buy with that money.

what better thing? a new Iphone?

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

what better thing? a new Iphone?

A car, the deposit on a home, three whole laptops, three whole kids Christmas presents.
A month of life, not everyone has Epean money like you and that's good because your gloating would fall on deaf ears if we all had 4090s.

 

[bug]

what better thing? a new Iphone?

A thousand gifts from Dollar Tree?

 

[blued]

I honestly dont get all the hate for the 4080, I've been loving mine.. Blows my old 3080 away while using around 130w less power.
BTW, price per frame on average is lower than the 4090, but the 4090 doesnt get all the hate.

Its a fantastic card. Just the silly price thats in question. As the saying goes, there are no bad cards, only bad prices.

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

what better thing? a new Iphone?

A thousand gifts from Dollar Tree?

I don't know. For someone not hung up on having a second best card (maybe even 4th by the time the 4090ti and 4080ti arrive), this makes the price of the 4080 a little silly.

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

I hate not only the 4080, but nvidia in general.

Some of the reasons here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AMDGPU/comments/oh7dz6