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FiiO K7 Desktop DAC/Headphone Amplifier

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FiiO shakes up the affordable desktop DAC/amp market with its K7 that offers excellent features for money. You get two AKM AK4493S DACs paired with THX AAA 788+ amplifiers, a clean power supply and USB decoding stage, as well as native USB drivers for ASIO support to drive IEMs and headphones equally well.

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But where do these go on this "amazing value" dac/amp?

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any chance you will review this someday?

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i would also see that brand in reviews, not only the AMP tho :)
 

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i would also see that brand in reviews, not only the AMP tho :)
I've also covered the JDS Labs Element II before: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/jds-labs-element-ii-desktop-dac-amp/
 

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I've also covered the JDS Labs Element II before: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/jds-labs-element-ii-desktop-dac-amp/

I even commented on it. Damn, my memory is bad these days.
 
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I've also covered the JDS Labs Element II before: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/jds-labs-element-ii-desktop-dac-amp/
oh... alright, i am offically tired ... all days work today, but tomorrow and after tomorrow : day off!

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I even commented on it. Damn, my memory is bad these days.
wellllll ... ah... nevermind ... a beer and i am off to sleep :sleep:
 
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If I was looking for a DAC/AMP combo I'd buy this immediately. They did really well with this one!
 
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For home use another alternative is the SMSL C200
 
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I feel silly having bought the K5 Pro for $200 earlier this year. Oh well, it's still a solid kit.
for me i was eyeing the K5 Pro ESS at 209chf ... but the K7 ... is 264chf (about the same in $ 1chf/1,07$ rate atm )

but now the K5 Pro ESS can be found for 160ish chf ... might trigger on it ... it's not much pricier than the E10K-TC at 99-124chf although since that one use a Burr Brown chip ... i might still go for the budget one ...
 
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But where do these go on this "amazing value" dac/amp?

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I agree with you. Some audio purist would say this shouldn't exist because of the interferences it can bring, but with some work on the electronics it won't be a problem at all. Except looking after Creative gaming DACs (the AE-9 has very strong capacities for music listening), if you are looking for plug and play devices, you can check the Schiit Audio Fulla and Hel products.

I personaly own a Schiit Fulla-E. Good one, but not that much perfect. The restitution is powerful and generous, but sometimes a little bit harsh and expansives bass and some lacks of musicality. But the mic input in very good, strong gain and clear.

Also, there is the Mayflowers Arc MK2, and the Fosi K5 Pro (edit: Fosi Audio K4 as well), but never has the chance to try it in France.
 
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It's worth noting that the Fulla, Hel, and Creative products do not bill themselves as audiophile or pro products but straight up gaming products. That logic is simple really. Most headsets are complete garbage when it comes to audio quality. There's a tin fraction of them that are not and the majority of those like the Steelseries or HyperX lines come with USB interfaces or even their own DAC/AMP sporting the typical ESS affair we all know. Sennheiser/EPOS products are kinda the exception here but it's worth nothing that despite going with 3.5mm they sell their own DACs and amps are very clear that this is a gaming and not a pro or audiophile product in any real sense of the term.

If you need mic functionality there's also the USB mic route. But headsets are really a niche product were audio quality is not a concern in most cases.
 

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It's worth noting that the Fulla, Hel, and Creative products do not bill themselves as audiophile or pro products but straight up gaming products. That logic is simple really. Most headsets are complete garbage when it comes to audio quality. There's a tin fraction of them that are not and the majority of those like the Steelseries or HyperX lines come with USB interfaces or even their own DAC/AMP sporting the typical ESS affair we all know. Sennheiser/EPOS products are kinda the exception here but it's worth nothing that despite going with 3.5mm they sell their own DACs and amps are very clear that this is a gaming and not a pro or audiophile product in any real sense of the term.

If you need mic functionality there's also the USB mic route. But headsets are really a niche product were audio quality is not a concern in most cases.
Not quite true. Even if a person doesn't buy the most expensive Creative Labs soundcard it like AE-5 plus it will still measure better than a-n-y headphones or speakers on the market.
 
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Trolling right? No way you are serious.

Are you serious? This is a PC tech site which is of interest to people who build their own gaming PCs, and also related peripherals. This is NOT Daily Audiophile or some such website. When I read a product review here I expect it to be related to what this website is about. So if I click on a link to a DAC/Amp review, then yes, I'd expect the device's interface to include either phono input/outputs or a USB connection because *every* wired gaming headset comes out with either phono plugs or a USB plug.

I agree with you. Some audio purist would say this shouldn't exist because of the interferences it can bring, but with some work on the electronics it won't be a problem at all. Except looking after Creative gaming DACs (the AE-9 has very strong capacities for music listening), if you are looking for plug and play devices, you can check the Schiit Audio Fulla and Hel products.

I personaly own a Schiit Fulla-E. Good one, but not that much perfect. The restitution is powerful and generous, but sometimes a little bit harsh and expansives bass and some lacks of musicality. But the mic input in very good, strong gain and clear.

Also, there is the Mayflowers Arc MK2, and the Fosi K5 Pro (edit: Fosi Audio K4 as well), but never has the chance to try it in France.

I'm not an audio purist and this is techpowerup. I built a PC, play a few FPS games, and listen to music/podcasts from youtube/spotify. I only need decent quality audio, but delivered with excellent spatial accuracy. The phono plugs in the photo are from a Beyerdynamic mmx 300 (gen 2) gaming headset which is far from being the most rubbish headset around. I just don't get enough volume from it when connected to my Asus Rampage V Extreme mobo, especially from the mic. I'm using EqualizerAPO atm to boost the sound. I was going to buy a Schiit Hel 2E directly from the company. Nobody else had any. Going through that outfit I would have had to pay an extra $86(USD) delivery fee to New Zealand. Screw Schitt. Perhaps a soundcard will suffice.
 
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Are you serious? This is a PC tech site which is of interest to people who build their own gaming PCs, and also related peripherals. This is NOT Daily Audiophile or some such website. When I read a product review here I expect it to be related to what this website is about. So if I click on a link to a DAC/Amp review, then yes, I'd expect the device's interface to include either phono input/outputs or a USB connection because *every* wired gaming headset comes out with either phono plugs or a USB plug.



I'm not an audio purist and this is techpowerup. I built a PC, play a few FPS games, and listen to music/podcasts from youtube/spotify. I only need decent quality audio, but delivered with excellent spatial accuracy. The phono plugs in the photo are from a Beyerdynamic mmx 300 (gen 2) gaming headset which is far from being the most rubbish headset around. I just don't get enough volume from it when connected to my Asus Rampage V Extreme mobo, especially from the mic. I'm using EqualizerAPO atm to boost the sound. I was going to buy a Schiit Hel 2E directly from the company. Nobody else had any. Going through that outfit I would have had to pay an extra $86(USD) delivery fee to New Zealand. Screw Schitt. Perhaps a soundcard will suffice.
This is a pretty bad attitude to have. There are PC enthusiasts with a wide range of interests, and this is still a device intended to plug into a PC to deliver a high-end audio experience. It does so in a manner that you're not expecting because it caters to a different type of enthusiast from you. And this is fine. I for one find these reviews quite helpful and I welcome their addition to TPU. I don't need my sound device to include a mic amp, so this kind of device fits my needs perfectly. And yes, I use my Fiio K5 Pro for gaming on my gaming PC all the time, and it has even fewer I/O options. :)
 
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Are you serious? This is a PC tech site which is of interest to people who build their own gaming PCs, and also related peripherals. This is NOT Daily Audiophile or some such website. When I read a product review here I expect it to be related to what this website is about. So if I click on a link to a DAC/Amp review, then yes, I'd expect the device's interface to include either phono input/outputs or a USB connection because *every* wired gaming headset comes out with either phono plugs or a USB plug.



I'm not an audio purist and this is techpowerup. I built a PC, play a few FPS games, and listen to music/podcasts from youtube/spotify. I only need decent quality audio, but delivered with excellent spatial accuracy. The phono plugs in the photo are from a Beyerdynamic mmx 300 ( (gen 2) gaming headset which is far from being the most rubbish headset around. I just don't get enough volume from it when connected to my Asus Rampage V Extreme mobo, especially from the mic. I'm using EqualizerAPO atm to boost the sound. I was going to buy a Schiit Hel 2E directly from the company. Nobody else had any. Going through that outfit I would have had to pay an extra $86(USD) delivery fee to New Zealand. Screw Schitt. Perhaps a soundcard will suffice.

This is sort of insane and you should know why as a PC "gamer".

First if your headset has a USB interface that's where the DAC/AMP or soundcare is right there. You do not need an external one and you do not plug it into a DAC. These headsets have taken over the market. Which anybody with even a passing grasp of PC gaming would understand.

The second is that a DAC is a digital analoge converter in a raw sense. You would not plug phono, ie analogue, connections into it because you do not need to convert them. What you're asking about is an AMP. Which again, is something a passing PC gamer would understand.

Next spatial accuracy is rubbish and bullshit. Which is why if you look at all the top gamers nobody uses that virtual 7.1 crap and everyone just goes with really high quality stereo and swears by it. This has been the case since Quake. Again, any even medicore gamer would know this. It's also why even stupidly high end headsets for gamers, which if you really cared about games you'd already be using, focus on audio quality. Nobody is buying Steelseries Artctis Pros and turning on all the silly effects unless it's strictly for a single player game that encoded in Dolby. If you go to a top event you'll rapidly realize that people are using IEMs (not known for spatial) under those headsets and the headsets they are just paid to use. It serves as an ad and an extra soundblocker, that's it.

Next if you did give one sold hoot about "spatial accuracy" you wouldn't be using closed back headsets. Closed back and sound stage are very much against each other. This is why you will find a lot of PC gamers use an Audiophile grade DAC/AMP to power higher end open backed dynamics and planars (which aren't going to come with their own shitty USB interface and are not going to be run off that 3.5mm joke of a jack) and then slam in a USB based mic for their communications. Said mics are 50-300 bucks for what you'd want. If you look at any streamer they are using a dedicated mic. Again, a PC "gamer" would know this. Back in the day we had ye old logitech mic on the desk with a 3.5mm jack.

For schitt, you obvious didn't bother to research who and what they are. The are a US based company that sells to the US. They do not go through distributors, they do not have sales, and they are very much direct sales from Americans to Americans. They have a cult following because this business strategy rips out all the cost inflation and Americans like supporting "made in America" products. Their products are also good and have a very industrial design people kinda dig. So "screw schitt" is just petty. There are UK companies I can't get products from as well as Japan. Oh fucking well! They are selling their products locally and at good rates and more power to them.

Next anyone remotely associated with gaming audio knows Sennheiser and their history the the point where the HD280 PRO (which I will point out does not have a mic) is the most favorably reviewed item on Newegg bar none and almost all of it is gamers. Sennheiser spun off their headset division to EPOS but EPOS still makes the GSX1000 which has been the defacto best "external soundcard" since it's release. They sell globally. You can buy it right here https://www.eposaudio.com/en/us/gaming/products/gsx-1000-2nd-edition-gaming-amplifier-1001150 ! They make a cheaper one as well that they sip globaly, https://www.eposaudio.com/en/us/gaming/products/gsx-300-snow-edition-gaming-soundcard-1000307 imagine that! Again anybody remotely associated with PC "gaming" would already have these on their short list and generally not bother after. Of note same company also sells a stand alone desktop high end mic for streaming. So even they aren't pretending their headsets stack up to input quality. They are open about it.

Lastly anybody even remotely adjacent to PC gaming would know of this https://antlionaudio.com/ which has long been "don't buy a headset get this" which not only will let you clobber any headset into the ground but they will sell you a fucking USB soundcard and an XLR connector in case you went with a USB audio interface. Rendering shitty wannabe audiophile headsets, like yours!!!!! null and void on any real value level.

I still play PC games and while your assumptions here are downright hilarious as to PC enthusiasts being just gamers and not people who use their PC for more (me scowls at NAS full of 8k videos and bluray audio rips and remembers to reboot all my VMs today, go go go linux! vms! Redhat and fedora please none of that ubuntu shit.) they are also fucking insulting to someone who plays PC games. Where one can go get a Sennheiser/EPOS soundcard and call it a day or get something like an Arctis pro and be done with it. Some people want a bit more though. Some people are fine using headphones and a mic. Some of them even play games with them.

All typed on a PC with an Arctis Pro + GameDac, apex keyboard, rival mouse, and QcK mousepad. None of that audiophile stuff here. Now if I move to my other desk.....................
 

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The lack of support for the MQA scam is a bonus in my opinion and helps to keep the cost down.

Shame this doesn't have basic bass and treble controls as many things don't sound too great on flat for many reasons, including a poor source recording.

Great review.
 
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The lack of support for the MQA scam is a bonus in my opinion and helps to keep the cost down.

Shame this doesn't have basic bass and treble controls as many things don't sound too great on flat for many reasons, including a poor source recording.

Great review.

Download equalizer APO and call it a day. You're generally not going to get those controls on a DAC/AMP. Those usually play in when you go with a stack with a dedicated unit for it or some monster 2500+ combo unit. EAPO has made this a none issue for a long time as there are programed profiles you can download for headphones. If it's remotely common or popular someone did it already.

With you on MQA though to an extent. I'm one of the biggest "that's a minus!" people on here for it but it's not a full out scam. It does do what it says (kinda?). A scam does not do what it says. It's open about being lossy but using compression voodoo vs an actual high-res and lossless and claims to fix it. It can, at times, this really depends on too many factors to list so it's going to get dunked on because "why did we need this and who is policing it! I see, no answer, so fuck you!".

The catch is it sort of depends where your price punch in is. Nobody fucking with thousands of DACs, AMPs, and other gear cares about this stupid thing and they don't need it. At the lower end the add on cost falls squarely into "should have put that cash into better hardware" stuff. It's mainly the vicious marketing of it that sours peoples taste on it. My case in point of these things is my SO, who bless her heart, is an idiot about these things. She'd convinced her airpods pro and airpods max deliver fully lossless audio in highres. This is not possible. Beyond that we do have tidal and there are a few dongles here that support MQA. Not only does that not mean shit about what the original master is, it also means fuck all if she's plugging in the headphones she likes (mine look ugly and are heavy) which couldn't produce the damn thing even if it was done right.

It's sort of like putting "DOLBY ATMOS" on a soundbar, which sadly we have that fiasco in the bedroom. It's not really going to do it, that's if the damn hardware chain behind it supports it as does the movie, vut it's not a scam in the true sense of it.

It's really just a thing that needs rules about it and to drop the extra cost and then stop slapping it on everything like a selling point. DOLBY isn't bullshit, but a lot of DOLBY stuff is complete bullshit.
 
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