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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop GPU Pulls up to 200W, GA103-based, Lineup Power Detailed

ThomasK said:
I wonder why neither nvidia or amd can avoid deceivingly naming their mobile GPU's according to their correct desktop counterparts.
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The government is weak in the pressure of rules against fraud coming from corporations.
 
ThomasK said:
I wonder why neither nvidia or amd still can't avoid deceivingly naming their mobile GPU's according to their correct desktop counterparts.
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Yeah this really bugs me lol
 
birdie said:
Do people live there? No? Why didn't you post a picture of Mars for good measure?

These are laptops, not tools for survival.

Using the laptop in the desert would be the last thing you want to do.
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Actually, I'd love me a laptop full of survival manuals and books in every hostile environment. Plus, ever been to Arizona or Mexico? :D

ThomasK said:
I wonder why neither nvidia or amd still can't avoid deceivingly naming their mobile GPU's according to their correct desktop counterparts.
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My bet is on profit. This way they lure the majority of their fanbase.
 
Would the improved efficiency bring less power hungry designs in the lower end like the 4050?
I am thinking about something like a Dell XPS 15 or Lenovo X1 Extreme Gen5 as a final product, but I guess there is also the 13th gen intel cpus they will be paired with...
 
I think its cool they are putting a higher end/wattage GPU back on the mobile for high end. As long as the laptop can cool it, I say go for it and give us the performance.

That being said, I know why they do it but I really still dislike the naming scheme. Just call it what it is and move on. I would be happy if they just kept mobile up to naming the XX80.
 
To be honest, laptops like this shouldn't even have a battery since these are pure desktop replacements.
 
Fire hazard much?
 
throttle baby throttle :roll:

Kissamies said:
To be honest, laptops like this shouldn't even have a battery since these are pure desktop replacements.
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agreed.
 
Kissamies said:
To be honest, laptops like this shouldn't even have a battery since these are pure desktop replacements.
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I'd want a battery just in case it gets unplugged accidentally.
 
Scrizz said:
I'd want a battery just in case it gets unplugged accidentally.
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UPS you need, not a battery. The battery does another damage - the power plan can shift to much reduced performance, so you will get freezes or crashes/ or stutter running on the battery.

You need that instead:

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ARF said:
UPS you need, not a battery. The battery does another damage - the power plan can shift to much reduced performance, so you will get freezes or crashes/ or stutter running on the battery.

You need that instead:

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I am never touching a UPS in a closed room again. Those things are dangerous when the battery's decide to randomly vent.
 
Ultimately, it just means that if the laptop don't have some fancy watercooling solution, it will always not run at its full potential. 200W don't sound a lot from a desktop perspective, but if you consider something like a RTX 3060 TI with 200W power requirement now, look at the size of the heatsink, and you will know that there is a ridiculous discrepancy in the cooler size. TSMC 5nm is actually a lot more power efficient than Samsung's 10nm, and despite this, the power requirement went up substantially.
 
Kissamies said:
To be honest, laptops like this shouldn't even have a battery since these are pure desktop replacements.
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I disagree. These laptops have acceptable battery life when the discrete GPU is powered off making them usable for light work when not plugged in. That doesn't make them easy to carry around, but it's not bad if you just want to take out the laptop to check email without having to bring out the AC adapter and find an outlet.
 
The Von Matrices said:
I disagree. These laptops have acceptable battery life when the discrete GPU is powered off making them usable for light work when not plugged in. That doesn't make them easy to carry around, but it's not bad if you just want to take out the laptop to check email without having to bring out the AC adapter and find an outlet.
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From this very limited point of view.
But i prefer to check my emails on my phone. Will save energy which is more ecological.
 
TumbleGeorge said:
From this very limited point of view.
But i prefer to check my emails on my phone. Will save energy which is more ecological.
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I agree if you are just reading, but if you need to reply anything more than "ok", then I would definitely make the effort to take out the laptop with the keyboard compared to the touchscreen. No one is buying a laptop with a dGPU to just check email, but it's nice to have a battery so that the laptop isn't completely useless when it's not near a power outlet.
 
The Von Matrices said:
I agree if you are just reading, but if you need to reply anything more than "ok", then I would definitely make the effort to take out the laptop with the keyboard compared to the touchscreen. No one is buying a laptop with a dGPU to just check email, but it's nice to have a battery so that the laptop isn't completely useless when it's not near a power outlet.
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Considering the usefulness of such a "laptop" in field conditions, taking into account even only the price for its purchase and how much it weighs, is quite problematic. For a much lower price, someone can purchase a "gaming" model with a significantly better price/performance/weight (portability)/run time on battery only.
 
The Von Matrices said:
I disagree. These laptops have acceptable battery life when the discrete GPU is powered off making them usable for light work when not plugged in. That doesn't make them easy to carry around, but it's not bad if you just want to take out the laptop to check email without having to bring out the AC adapter and find an outlet.
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Yeah in an age where low intensity tasks are typically done on phones, this totally doesnt look ridiculous in daily commute, and is definitely the easiest way to do it :D

Reminds me of Nokia NGage :) A device totally lost in practical use cases, being uncanny in every single one.

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The Von Matrices said:
I agree if you are just reading, but if you need to reply anything more than "ok", then I would definitely make the effort to take out the laptop with the keyboard compared to the touchscreen. No one is buying a laptop with a dGPU to just check email, but it's nice to have a battery so that the laptop isn't completely useless when it's not near a power outlet.
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Right because people arent writing walls of text on virtual keyboards either? I get your point but still, with this bulky device you are really just choosing between different degrees of annoying imho.
 
Jism said:
Any idea what a 3/4/5G base station consumes in regards of power?
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Varies greatly with what do you call a 'base station' and what it's configured to, and what are the local regulations, and how much does Santa weigh in, and...
 
I don't know what all this fuss in the comments is about, we had pretty amazing designs coming out of laptops these last few years. GPUs TDPs are almost the same as they were, except in the top end where it is a little bit more. Doesn't surprise me given that some of the top performance laptops were already using trickery to get there, when the gpu didn't officially support it. This gen should be much better given the superior node from tsmc
 
birdie said:
These are portable computers, not laptops.

And there are many people who need this kind of compute power on the go. And those people don't care one bit about running on a battery. There are outlets everywhere.
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This ^^
 
ixi said:
Laptop, laptop not the desktop...
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Yeah, with Turing they had a 200w 2080super (same die as desktop), the fake 3080ti went to only 175w, so it's good for people who want desktop replacement, naming was also better the 2080super mobile was the desktop model with lower wattage.
 
Nvidia's invincibility in mobile consumer gaming graphics has allowed it to do whatever it wants. Since removing the "M" suffix from the 10 series, Nvidia aims to close the performance gap between desktop and mobile graphics models. Level 60 graphics cards use 107 small cores, a thing of the "960M" era.

Nvidia has always been on the wrong side of consumers, and its only conscience on mobile was the 10-series. Dessert card 1060 beat the previous generation flagship card "980M". And the Fever 1070 beats the desktop in Clevo and MSI's 180w vbios.

With its 20-series graphics card, Nvidia may want to prevent this. So the 2070S use TU104 cores, but the power is locked at 115w. That only makes a 10% difference between the 2070S and 2070. In the 30-series, Nvidia limited the 3080 and 3080TI to 150w (Without DB), making the 3070ti 3080 3080ti only slightly different, and making the desktop 3070 almost capable of beating all mobile graphics.

Now Nvidia is shitting its consumers. The core of the mobile terminal is degraded compared to the desktop, and the power consumption is far less than that of the desktop. Desktop 4070 will continue to beat all mobile graphics cards.
 
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