Blacklisting of YMTC by the U.S. Enables Samsung to Raise NAND Flash Prices by 10%

[evernessince]

This is more than that unfortunately. The US wants to destroy China and turn them into a woke lapdog. Thankfully we're still at the economic phase, although US is actively trying to provoke China wherever it can, by trying to put NATO bases to its borders in Nepal and Vietnam.

"woke lapdog"? So the US is trying to turn China into a SJW pet? What in this article has anything to do with that? I swear people just sprinkle around buzzwords they have no idea how to use (and "woke" isn't really a hard concept to understand).

State backed company, like so many in the US?

Tesla become so big so i guess they also stole IP's because anything else is impossible

And the US complaining about stolen IP is a priceless irony, that's how they grew themselves

The US complains that others steal its technology, but America was once a tech pirate itself - The World from PRX

The US complains constantly of China and other nations stealing US technology. But it seems in the early days of the republic, the shoe was on the other foot.

theworld.org

So did Japan, SK, etc... all the "amazing" sucess stories

I appreciate you bringing up Tesla, that's a great way to illustrate the differences:

- Tesla is not owned or funded by the US government. It was founded by private parties like most US companies. YMTC was founded entirely by the Chinese government:

"Tsinghua Unigroup founded YMTC in July 2016, with a total investment of US$24 billion, including investments from the Hubei provincial government and the Chinese national "Big Fund" China Integrated Circuit Industry Investment Fund."

Yangtze Memory Technologies - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

- Tesla was founded in 2003 and produced it's first car in 2008. This means they've been around for almost 2 decades designing cars. YMTC was founded in 2016 so at best they have 6 years of experience.

- Ford sells more Vehicles in a single month than Tesla does in a year.

- Tesla made electric cars including features of which it's competitors didn't have. YMTC is releasing NAND with the exact same 232 layer count as Micron. Samsung has 236 layer NAND and SK Hynix has 238 layer. It's one thing for cars to have similar features, it's another for two supposedly different NAND products to have the exact same layer count.


Japan is a country, not a company. No idea where you are going with that one.

SK Hynix has been around since 1983 and has decades of experience in data storage solutions.

You comment does an excellent job proving my point, because even the other best case scenarios do not even come close to what YMTC is purporting to have developed.

Back when US companies decided to build factories in China in order to DRASTICALLY lower their salary spending ( making them much richer while US workers lost their jobs), China asked that US companies should work with Chinese companies and that their companies should have access to the technology that would be made there.
US and US companies did not had to accept that and they could go elsewhere or stayed in US, but no, greed took over and they accepted.

Chinese just profited from that. Now, that is evident, that it was bad idea for US, they are saying "look, they are stealing our IPs", when in reality it was part of the deal.
I would be furios, but not on Chinese (for them trying to make the best they can do for them) but on US govt and companies for not taking me, impact on our lives into account when accepting those conditions.

This is absolutely disinformation. Simply manufacturing something in China does not mean they have the right to use that IP as they see fit. That's not the way it works.

This type of threads should get the comments section disabled since dozens and dozens of innocent comments disappear without a trace.
How do you recognise which comment is right and which is wrong?
Long live the freedom of speech!

This is simply not true. TPU is pretty lax with it's moderation policy, too much IMO. If your post gets deleted here it very likely deserved it.

 

[mechtech]

"Samsung raised prices of its NAND flash memory chips by as much as 10%, according to a DigiTimes report."

Meh

I just bought some Kingston drives.

 

[claes]

Is it a coincidence that YMTC is based in WUHAN China?

Thank you thank you

Looking forward to this conspiracy theory

 

[Bomby569]

I appreciate you bringing up Tesla, that's a great way to illustrate the differences:

- Tesla is not owned or funded by the US government. It was founded by private parties like most US companies. YMTC was founded entirely by the Chinese government:

"Tsinghua Unigroup founded YMTC in July 2016, with a total investment of US$24 billion, including investments from the Hubei provincial government and the Chinese national "Big Fund" China Integrated Circuit Industry Investment Fund."

Yangtze Memory Technologies - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

- Tesla was founded in 2003 and produced it's first car in 2008. This means they've been around for almost 2 decades designing cars. YMTC was founded in 2016 so at best they have 6 years of experience.

- Ford sells more Vehicles in a single month than Tesla does in a year.

- Tesla made electric cars including features of which it's competitors didn't have. YMTC is releasing NAND with the exact same 232 layer count as Micron. Samsung has 236 layer NAND and SK Hynix has 238 layer. It's one thing for cars to have similar features, it's another for two supposedly different NAND products to have the exact same layer count.


Japan is a country, not a company. No idea where you are going with that one.

SK Hynix has been around since 1983 and has decades of experience in data storage solutions.

You comment does an excellent job proving my point, because even the other best case scenarios do not even come close to what YMTC is purporting to have developed.

Tesla has received more than $3.2 billion worth of direct and indirect California subsidies and market mechanisms since 2009, according to an estimate from Newsom's office.

Gov. Newsom Says California Subsidies Powered Tesla’s Success

Leaders of the Golden State have long sought credit for the success of the world's largest electric-car manufacturer, and now Newsom is suggesting the state's incentives are responsible for the emergence of Tesla.

www.govtech.com

Elon Musk is speaking out against government subsidies. Here's a list of the billions of dollars his businesses have received.​

Elon Musk is speaking out against government subsidies. Here's a list of the billions of dollars his businesses have received.

Musk's companies benefited from subsidies as recently as April, when SpaceX won a $2.89 billion contract from NASA. Tesla got subsidies for years.

www.businessinsider.com

Elon Musk’s growing empire is fueled by $4.9 billion in government subsidies​

Elon Musk's growing empire is fueled by $4.9 billion in government subsidies

Los Angeles entrepreneur Elon Musk has built a multibillion-dollar fortune running companies that make electric cars, sell solar panels and launch rockets into space.

www.latimes.com

etc etc etc

Japan was copying everything under the sun ignoring IP for decades, they were the China of the 60's and 70's. The US was as much anti Japan as it is now anti China. Am i talking about Japan the country? absolutely, but represented by their companies, this seems insanely obvious, yet where i am clarifying that the sky is blue and it illustrates the level of your discourse

 

[Tatty_Two]

This type of threads should get the comments section disabled since dozens and dozens of innocent comments disappear without a trace.
How do you recognise which comment is right and which is wrong?
Long live the freedom of speech!

Not sure which news thread you think you are in but not a single post has been deleted in this one?

 

[ARF]

Not sure which news thread you think you are in but not a single post has been deleted in this one?

Probably my bad, I reread the thread and think it was longer.

 

[noel_fs]

As an european im happy with that decision, i just bought a chinese pcie4 2tb for 151€ with toptier hardware (ytmc xtacking 3.0, 2gb ddr4, innogrit IG5236).

Godbless YTMC, if it they werent for them we would probably still be stuck on 512gb @ 100€

 

[hat]

So much for price cuts and plummeting demand.

 

[R-T-B]

Price increase because mercury is in retrograde ?

To be fair that probably would mess up the solar system.

"woke lapdog"? So the US is trying to turn China into a SJW pet? What in this article has anything to do with that? I swear people just sprinkle around buzzwords they have no idea how to use (and "woke" isn't really a hard concept to understand).

According to when "woke" was forced to be defined in court, it meant "the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them."

Which... everyone should be aware of. Suddenly woke isn't so bad. It's become an attack buzzword no one knows the real meaning of.

And yeah, they are stealing IP where they can, and where they can't, they buy it and advance it further.

That is indeed the issue here. No amount of R&D budget could develop that so quickly from scratch.

Is it a coincidence that YMTC is based in WUHAN China?

You have no idea how much is in Wuhan, do you?

 

[claes]

I mean, we all know the meaning of “woke,” just few who use it as an epithet are actually willing to say what they actually mean when invoking it out loud for fear of being “called out” or “cancelled,” ie held accountable for their opinions, because “free speech” is something they don’t actually want to participate in unless they aren’t held accountable, less they’re exposed to this circle of humiliation all over again.

 

[R-T-B]

Long live the freedom of speech!

Does not apply to a private forum and thank goodness for that. I for one would love to see the "innocent comments" that got deleted. I'm sure they are rancid.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Does not apply to a private forum and thank goodness for that. I for one would love to see the "innocent comments" that got deleted. I'm sure they are rancid.

To be fair, it neither applies or is enjoyed by a significant proportion of our planets inhabitants in any case sadly.

 

[R-T-B]

To be fair, it neither applies or is enjoyed by a significant proportion of our planets inhabitants in any case sadly.

And yet people shout it on the internet like it applies everywhere. Well aware.

Also, even as an American, freedom of speech does not free you from the consequences of that speech.

Moderation on a private site may very well apply.