well the 7950X didn't last long...

[GerKNG]

It shouldn't be this complicated, I think you made the right move refunding and going to Raptor Lake.

yeah... i am just sick of it.
they try to copy NVidia and release absolute trash.
now they get competition from Alder Lake and bin their chips with cinebench just to get a "16 Core MoNsTeR" on the shelves.

So, a faulty CPU.

again... yep.

 

[eidairaman1]

This is my same experience, haven't had any issues whatsoever. No USB dropout problems, driver problems, or power problems. The only issue I've ever had with my AM4 system was a bad BIOS release by Gigabyte that broke PBO support on my old 5600X for a few months, which was fixed by another BIOS update.

Now I have a 5800X3D and 6950XT and haven't had a single issue that wasn't caused by me messing around with settings too much I think a lot of these problems come from people using subpar power supplies. I've never had an issue with Seasonic/Super Flower gear though

Sounds to me Gigabyte is the problem lol

I have pity on the OP...

 

[Space Lynx]

Sounds to me Gigabyte is the problem lol

yep, my Gigabyte mobo's have given me nothing but headaches, never buying them again. I went back to MSI recently and it has been rock solid since day 1.

 

[eidairaman1]

yep, my Gigabyte mobo's have given me nothing but headaches, never buying them again. I went back to MSI recently and it has been rock solid since day 1.

I saw a 990 FXA-UD5 have 5 different revisions. To me it seems GA dgaf about it's user base.

This is why a new platform should be waited upon for 3-6 months. I'm sure intel has had faults with every release as amd has, but with the bias here it gets swept under the rug.

I say just RMA the damn cpu instead of continuing to bitch about it and move forward

 

[GerKNG]

Sounds to me Gigabyte is the problem lol

but another Zen 4 Chip runs 100% stable and overclocks well in the same system.

I'm sure intel has had faults with every release as amd has

100% error free experience with every single architecture since the Pentium 4 550 (first HT chips)
only Anti Cheat software had issues with Alder Lake for a while and it clock stretched until another bios released a week after launch.
meanwhile on AMD i haven't had a single Ryzen System that was 100% functional. (FX and earlier was fine)

this is my personal CPU History (problems are listed as well)

AMD:
Phenom II X4 840
Phenom II X6 1100T
FX 6350
FX 8350
Ryzen 5 2600
Ryzen 7 2700x
Ryzen 5 3600 (CPU connected M.2 SSDs corrupt within minutes across all boards)
Ryzen 7 3800X (zero OC headroom. not even 25 Mhz PBO Offset)
Ryzen 5 5600
Ryzen 5 5600X
Ryzen 7 5800X (2x) (1x non stop crashing system across all boards)
Ryzen 7 5800X3D (2x) (1x died after 4 months)
Ryzen 9 5900X (2x) (1x unstable at idle on all boards)
Ryzen 9 5950X ( only runs 3600mb/s RAM in 1:2 Mode)
Ryzen 9 7950X (unstable at stock speeds in SC loads on Core 0,2,4,6 and 14)

Meanwhile all my Intel CPUs:
Intel:
Pentium 4 550
Core 2 Duo E6400
Core 2 Quad Q6600
Core i5 2500K
Core i5 4690
Core i5 4690K (killed on my first delid attempt)
Core i7 4790
Core i7 4770K
Core i5 6600K
Core i7 7700K
Core i5 8600K
Core i7 8086K
Core i5 9600K
Core i9 9900K
Core i5 10400F
Core i5 10600KF
Core i7 10700K
Core i9 10900F
Core i9 10850K
Core i9 10900KF
Core i5 11600K
Core i3 12100F
Core i5 12600K
Core i7 12700K
Core i7 13700K
not a single dud and 100% stable.

Ryzen is the culprit. just like everything after GCN 5/Polaris which was so awful and beyond broken that not even fanboys defended it anymore.

 

[The King]

but another Zen 4 Chip runs 100% stable and overclocks well in the same system.

Oh really? No credit should go to AMD here I guess for a 100% stable CPU that overclocks clocks well.

 

[AusWolf]

I still don't understand.

1. You concluded the CPU was faulty after it failed your own CO settings, and only then you reverted back to stock. Did you try it at stock before you applied CO by any chance?
2. What about a BIOS update? My board was an absolute mess before AGESA 1.0.0.4, but now it's fine.
3. What are your RAM settings and SoC voltage?
4. Have you tried the CPU in a different board?

I mean no offense, but I see a typical case of senseless overclocking, and then blaming the CPU for failing. I've never ever had a CPU fail on me in the 20 years I've been building PCs.

Maybe stock settings aren't your enemy, guys. Just sayin'.

 

[bogmali]

Once again, do not turn this into another AMD vs Intel shenanigan and stick to the nature of the thread

 

[Lionheart]

Lmao what is this, the AMD Character assassination smear campaign thread? Hey if this is all true, that sucks that you got hardware issues relating to AMD, but it's obvious you've moved on to Intel Raptor-Lake and having no issues, problem solved. You give me Ryan Shroud vibes for some reason lol.

 

[freeagent]

Man I thrashed all of my Ryzen chips and they all still pull strong. 2 of them are launch or near launch Zen 3 parts. Wonder if you were pushing unstable mem or or something.

 

[Braegnok]

I've been running AM5 system since launch, and have had zero issues.



If your not stable in default settings,.. adjusting settings will most likely cause stability issues going forward.

You need to get your system stable in default settings. Before adjusting, overclocking system.

 

[GerKNG]

Man I thrashed all of my Ryzen chips and they all still pull strong. 2 of them are launch or near launch Zen 3 parts. Wonder if you were pushing unstable mem or or something.

i don't overclock ram. i verify XMP with 1200% memtest, testmem5 and ycruncer vst.
neither do i overclock them beyond the stock fit voltage with PBO (1x scalar, Curve Optimizer and clock offsets)

 

[kapone32]

well i am not alone with this problem.
yesterday in a stream from buildzoid there were people in the chat with the exact same problem (one had already three 7700Xs)

You know that anecdotally that makes sense as that channel is all about Overclocking. Which is something with the density of the CPU could lead to problems if you are asking the chip to do something that it can but would not unless extreme circumstances. There are also other factors like MB. I will speak about Gigabyte. They like to turn the voltage on their boards higher than what is reported in software. This can lead to issues when you try to OC or undervolt. This has been prevalent on Gigabyte boards for at least 10 years. This is a brand new platform on top of that. X370 was not the stablest either but X470 was much better. The fact that eco modes have little to no effect on performance means they should be run at stock even if you think you know what you are doing trying to acheive things that you see online.

 

[GerKNG]

They like to turn the voltage on their boards higher than what is reported in software

please elaborate further.
what kind of magic does gigabyte use to trick the readout of the on die VCore like VRVout back then on intel. (which was almost gigabyte exclusive and within 2% of an oscilloscope measurement)
and now the SVI3 TFN sensor which goes into 1mv steps and is basically 100% accurate.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

but another Zen 4 Chip runs 100% stable and overclocks well in the same system.


100% error free experience with every single architecture since the Pentium 4 550 (first HT chips)
only Anti Cheat software had issues with Alder Lake for a while and it clock stretched until another bios released a week after launch.
meanwhile on AMD i haven't had a single Ryzen System that was 100% functional. (FX and earlier was fine)

this is my personal CPU History (problems are listed as well)

AMD:
Phenom II X4 840
Phenom II X6 1100T
FX 6350
FX 8350
Ryzen 5 2600
Ryzen 7 2700x
Ryzen 5 3600 (CPU connected M.2 SSDs corrupt within minutes across all boards)
Ryzen 7 3800X (zero OC headroom. not even 25 Mhz PBO Offset)
Ryzen 5 5600
Ryzen 5 5600X
Ryzen 7 5800X (2x) (1x non stop crashing system across all boards)
Ryzen 7 5800X3D (2x) (1x died after 4 months)
Ryzen 9 5900X (2x) (1x unstable at idle on all boards)
Ryzen 9 5950X ( only runs 3600mb/s RAM in 1:2 Mode)
Ryzen 9 7950X (unstable at stock speeds in SC loads on Core 0,2,4,6 and 14)

Ryzen is the culprit. just like everything after GCN 5/Polaris which was so awful and beyond broken that not even fanboys defended it anymore.

Did you change boards threw all that, & any new installs of Windows ever ?

 

[kapone32]

please elaborate further.
what kind of magic does gigabyte use to trick the readout of the on die VCore like VRVout back then on intel. (which was almost gigabyte exclusive and within 2% of an oscilloscope measurement)
and now the SVI3 TFN sensor which goes into 1mv steps and is basically 100% accurate.

I will use the CPU voltage as an example. When I had my Gigabyte Gaming 7 OC my 3600x would run at 1.4 volts. If I tried to drop that to 1.25 (Which every Asus, MSI, As Rock board allowed) the system would hang. Ok so I used Ryzen software at the BIOS level to set it and guess what HWinfo reported as voltage? You could also look at MB reviews and see how Gigabyte boards are a little faster at CPU intensive tasks when running stock. I am not a technician and don't have access to monitoring hardware but I have built more than a few PCs over the years using every vendor and Gigabyte has a much higher Gremlin rate than the rest of them. I can't say that the newest Gigabyte boards exhibit this behaviour but I can tell you that their GPUs still don't apply enough Thermal Paste from the factory. Which is why Gigabyte boards are at least 5% less than all other vendors regardless of where the card is in the stack.

 

[Psychoholic]

My 7950X has been rock solid stable since day 2.
Day 1 i was having some weird BSOD, which oddly went away after changing the mode on my case fans from AUTO to PWM.. shouldnt have anything to do with it but here we are 2 months later and still rock solid.

I need to get some popcorn for this thread though

 

[Deleted member 185158]

Takes time to get an average of failure rates.
Ryzen 5000 series is said to be as high as 3% to 5%.

After some time, this gathered data may change.

Manufacturing yields are not always great when in a hurry to produce the hardware.

It's not like the old days where they'd bin a bunch of models of the same core.
1200+, 1300+ 1400+, 1500+ and so forth, are days gone.

So all 3/4 model Ryzen chips being released at max boost = higher failure rates. (IMO)

 

[Zyll Goliat]

I am curious what was the max temps when the CPU was working normally?

 

[eidairaman1]

but another Zen 4 Chip runs 100% stable and overclocks well in the same system.


100% error free experience with every single architecture since the Pentium 4 550 (first HT chips)
only Anti Cheat software had issues with Alder Lake for a while and it clock stretched until another bios released a week after launch.
meanwhile on AMD i haven't had a single Ryzen System that was 100% functional. (FX and earlier was fine)

this is my personal CPU History (problems are listed as well)

AMD:
Phenom II X4 840
Phenom II X6 1100T
FX 6350
FX 8350
Ryzen 5 2600
Ryzen 7 2700x
Ryzen 5 3600 (CPU connected M.2 SSDs corrupt within minutes across all boards)
Ryzen 7 3800X (zero OC headroom. not even 25 Mhz PBO Offset)
Ryzen 5 5600
Ryzen 5 5600X
Ryzen 7 5800X (2x) (1x non stop crashing system across all boards)
Ryzen 7 5800X3D (2x) (1x died after 4 months)
Ryzen 9 5900X (2x) (1x unstable at idle on all boards)
Ryzen 9 5950X ( only runs 3600mb/s RAM in 1:2 Mode)
Ryzen 9 7950X (unstable at stock speeds in SC loads on Core 0,2,4,6 and 14)

Meanwhile all my Intel CPUs:
Intel:
Pentium 4 550
Core 2 Duo E6400
Core 2 Quad Q6600
Core i5 2500K
Core i5 4690
Core i5 4690K (killed on my first delid attempt)
Core i7 4790
Core i7 4770K
Core i5 6600K
Core i7 7700K
Core i5 8600K
Core i7 8086K
Core i5 9600K
Core i9 9900K
Core i5 10400F
Core i5 10600KF
Core i7 10700K
Core i9 10900F
Core i9 10850K
Core i9 10900KF
Core i5 11600K
Core i3 12100F
Core i5 12600K
Core i7 12700K
Core i7 13700K
not a single dud and 100% stable.

Ryzen is the culprit. just like everything after GCN 5/Polaris which was so awful and beyond broken that not even fanboys defended it anymore.

These are systems I have owned or been an IT support of)

Slot 1 Celeron 333
423 400 1.7 Williamette (Pos)
478 533 Northwood 2.4 (Pos)
462 3200 and XP-M 2500
Sig Rig

Brothers: 370 1.0 P3 (POS)
AM3 555BE Unlocked to 965BE

Grandfathers:
Rambus P4 (POS), then DDR P4.

FM1 Athlon



Built a Ryzen 7 5800 last year with Windows 11 and there have been no issues, ram at 3600.

 

[Vario]

I hope the Raptor Lake treats you better. I am very happy with my Alder Lake.

 

[thegnome]

I haven't been satisfied either with my 5600x, bad silicon lottery sure, but it ran 5 months on -8 CO, now just -5 due to BSODs happening again at idle. Not to mention every day it hangs for half a second and continues as normal. Besides that also just general temp problems even with a few background apps its very high idle temps (50-60) on 360 AIO, full load it's luckily good though. Kind of tired of Ryzen in terms of these kinds of problems and will likely switch to Intel next time around if they keep their shit together.

 

[freeagent]

I will probably go with Intel next round, but AM4 has been an absolute blast for me. Absolutely solid. As good as my Intel's before. I kicked the shit out of it many times trying to keep up with some of you

 

[dgianstefani]

I will probably go with Intel next round, but AM4 has been an absolute blast for me. Absolutely solid. As good as my Intel's before. I kicked the shit out of it many times trying to keep up with some of you

Same.

AMDs AGESA is laughable but fun to tune.

 

[AusWolf]

I haven't been satisfied either with my 5600x, bad silicon lottery sure, but it ran 5 months on -8 CO, now just -5 due to BSODs happening again at idle. Not to mention every day it hangs for half a second and continues as normal. Besides that also just general temp problems even with a few background apps its very high idle temps (50-60) on 360 AIO, full load it's luckily good though. Kind of tired of Ryzen in terms of these kinds of problems and will likely switch to Intel next time around if they keep their shit together.

It might sound weird, but I have generally found the full-die (that is, 8 or 16 core) Ryzens easier to tame. It has to do with 6-core chips having higher heat density, I guess.

The only exception is the R3 3100 which runs cool with a £1 slab of aluminium slapped onto it.