Help identifying ram sticks

[Taraquin]

Building a 5600X setup for a relative and try tuning the ram now. Kingston fury beast 32gb (2x16). A bit puzzled though, it identifies as Hynix A single rank in Thaiphoon. Does that even exist? Trying to tweak timings/speed now and 3800 16-21-21 work, 16-22-22 spews errors. I thought Hynix A maxed out at 3600 and 8gb modules or 16gb dual rank. Could it be CJR/DJR or something else wrongly identified by Thaiphoon?

 

[tabascosauz]

Building a 5600X setup for a relative and try tuning the ram now. Kingston fury beast 32gb (2x16). A bit puzzled though, it identifies as Hynix A single rank in Thaiphoon. Does that even exist? Trying to tweak timings/speed now and 3800 16-21-21 work, 16-22-22 spews errors. I thought Hynix A maxed out at 3600 and 8gb modules or 16gb dual rank. Could it be CJR/DJR or something else wrongly identified by Thaiphoon?

Did you visually check to see if it's actually single rank or dual rank? No need to go to Thaiphoon to find out that part.

CJR and DJR are 8Gb chips so obviously not possible. So far there's a 4Gb and 8Gb AFR that are known. Most 16Gb Hynix would be MJR.

But MJR doesn't like sub-CL17 at 3733-3800 (I think?) so maybe it's improved? Unlikely though. Hard to tell if it's definitively MJR, all Hynix suck on tRCD and tRP. Though tRFC might say something.

AFR does exist in 4Gb and 8Gb flavours so it might be possible that there's a new 16Gb kid on the block. I don't know if you'll get an answer unless you peel the heatspreaders off though (seems like you won't be for this PC), not much interest these days in bottom-tier 16Gb DDR4 chips.

 

[ir_cow]

It could be dual-rank DIMMs as well so Hynix CJR/DJR 1GB ICs maybe.

Edit: NVM you said single-rank. My guess is Hynix MJR. I think around 4000 MT/s is the upper limit for those ICs. Try CL18 if your getting errors and / or enable Gear Down Mode.

 

[Taraquin]

After a lot if testing I ended up at:
3800
16 21 21 19 37 (RAS might do lower)
RC 56 (might do lower)
RRD 5/7
FAW 20
RFC 560
CWL 16
WR/RTP 16/8 (might do lower)
RDWR 8
WRRD 3 (might do lower)
WTR 4/12 (might do lower)
GDM on
Zentimings say SR

So I'm still confused, RFC seems Micron B since Hynix usually can do sub 500 at 3800, RP and FAW seems Hynix since Micron does 16 with ease. MJR with a bit poor binning might be the answer, good quess guys Improved dram calc test from 160sec to 124sec going from XMP 3600 to the above so not bad. I must test a bit further with RC, WTR and WR/RTP, but looks like I'm close to the limit.

Edit: Unsure if it's MJR which should require RFC of 650+ at 3800. Still confused!

Final result:

3800

16 21 21 19 33

RC 52

RRD 5/7

FAW 20

RFC 560

CWL 16

WR/RTP 12/6

RDWR 8

WRRD 3

WTR 3/9

GDM on

Still unsurr what this is, either a good binned MJR or a poor binned Micron B is my guess. Poor RCDRD, RP and RFC, but okay elsewhere.

 

[mslds]

Did you visually check to see if it's actually single rank or dual rank? No need to go to Thaiphoon to find out that part.

CJR and DJR are 8Gb chips so obviously not possible. So far there's a 4Gb and 8Gb AFR that are known. Most 16Gb Hynix would be MJR.

But MJR doesn't like sub-CL17 at 3733-3800 (I think?) so maybe it's improved? Unlikely though. Hard to tell if it's definitively MJR, all Hynix suck on tRCD and tRP. Though tRFC might say something.

AFR does exist in 4Gb and 8Gb flavours so it might be possible that there's a new 16Gb kid on the block. I don't know if you'll get an answer unless you peel the heatspreaders off though (seems like you won't be for this PC), not much interest these days in bottom-tier 16Gb DDR4 chips.

I'm stuck identifying my new hynix kit. Patriot steel 2x8gb 4000 c20, typhoon is showing [f/j]r-vkc. I can run 3600c16, 4000c17, 4333c19. I've had djr before and that liked volts but cjr doesnt like volts from what I've seen, I was thinking this kit is cjr as it really isn't giving me much room to tighten but then I took trfc way past what either should be able to run. @4000mhz 456clocks giving 228ns, I've tested and re-tested it's stable (3 hours at least). Is this djr I've got? I'm lost with it any help would be massive for me

 

[tabascosauz]

I'm stuck identifying my new hynix kit. Patriot steel 2x8gb 4000 c20, typhoon is showing [f/j]r-vkc. I can run 3600c16, 4000c17, 4333c19. I've had djr before and that liked volts but cjr doesnt like volts from what I've seen, I was thinking this kit is cjr as it really isn't giving me much room to tighten but then I took trfc way past what either should be able to run. @4000mhz 456clocks giving 228ns, I've tested and re-tested it's stable (3 hours at least). Is this djr I've got? I'm lost with it any help would be massive for me

Feels like DJR judging from tRFC and 4333CL19. Neither CJR nor DJR have room to tighten, because they're Hynix.

reous has a decipher guide for patriot, check your stickers

 

[Taraquin]

I'm stuck identifying my new hynix kit. Patriot steel 2x8gb 4000 c20, typhoon is showing [f/j]r-vkc. I can run 3600c16, 4000c17, 4333c19. I've had djr before and that liked volts but cjr doesnt like volts from what I've seen, I was thinking this kit is cjr as it really isn't giving me much room to tighten but then I took trfc way past what either should be able to run. @4000mhz 456clocks giving 228ns, I've tested and re-tested it's stable (3 hours at least). Is this djr I've got? I'm lost with it any help would be massive for me

Very likely a good binned DJR. How are the rest of the timings? Only Nanya B and Samsung B can run lower RFC at that speed. Nanya B is rare so it is unlikely that you have that. Samsung B can run 4000 at below 150ns +/- at 1.35v.

 

[mslds]

Feels like DJR judging from tRFC and 4333CL19. Neither CJR nor DJR have room to tighten, because they're Hynix.

reous has a decipher guide for patriot, check your stickers

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Not giving me any clues with my stick, I'm thinking more likely to be djr just from trfc. I couldn't get below 240ns with last djr I had and this set gives me more. My biggest worry has been increasing voltage and killing a set of cjr but it likes going to 1.5v so far with a fan directly onto the ram.

Very likely a good binned DJR. How are the rest of the timings? Only Nanya B and Samsung B can run lower RFC at that speed. Nanya B is rare so it is unlikely that you have that. Samsung B can run 4000 at below 150ns +/- at 1.35v.

I've settled with this for everyday @1.42v, these sticks are running 1.4 with xmp so I'm good with voltage. I get get cas to 16 and rcdrd to 20 at 4000mhz if I put more power through but latency doesn't make as much difference with apus compared to standard zen 3 cpu. I can't get much more with the rest of the timings but happy to listen to any advice, I am using more trial and error also luck with ram overclock not for lack of effort with trying to learn but it's a lot to take in

 

[tabascosauz]

Not giving me any clues with my stick, I'm thinking more likely to be djr just from trfc. I couldn't get below 240ns with last djr I had and this set gives me more. My biggest worry has been increasing voltage and killing a set of cjr but it likes going to 1.5v so far with a fan directly onto the ram.


I've settled with this for everyday @1.42v, these sticks are running 1.4 with xmp so I'm good with voltage. I get get cas to 16 and rcdrd to 20 at 4000mhz if I put more power through but latency doesn't make as much difference with apus compared to standard zen 3 cpu. I can't get much more with the rest of the timings but happy to listen to any advice, I am using more trial and error also luck with ram overclock not for lack of effort with trying to learn but it's a lot to take in

What's going on with your SDs and DDs? Why's it all set to 1? I don't think I've ever seen that before, I don't even know if that's actually possible. Something tells me that 1 is not what has actually been applied.

Also, zentimings is on 1.2.9 now.

If some of the high freq Intel results with DJR are any indication, it can most likely go much higher as DJR but you will have to loosen especially tRCD/tRP considerably.

I don't know if you use iGPU or another GPU but I doubt you need 1.2V for 4000 - probably have a lot of juice left in it.

 

[AleXXX666]

Did you visually check to see if it's actually single rank or dual rank? No need to go to Thaiphoon to find out that part.

CJR and DJR are 8Gb chips so obviously not possible. So far there's a 4Gb and 8Gb AFR that are known. Most 16Gb Hynix would be MJR.

But MJR doesn't like sub-CL17 at 3733-3800 (I think?) so maybe it's improved? Unlikely though. Hard to tell if it's definitively MJR, all Hynix suck on tRCD and tRP. Though tRFC might say something.

AFR does exist in 4Gb and 8Gb flavours so it might be possible that there's a new 16Gb kid on the block. I don't know if you'll get an answer unless you peel the heatspreaders off though (seems like you won't be for this PC), not much interest these days in bottom-tier 16Gb DDR4 chips.

recently i've had some Hynix AFR/MFR chips as told by Thaiphoon. It was GSkill 4400.19 2*16 GB kit. You can't literally tweak timings to "non-standard" for them. Even Spectek is better for me than Hynix for RAM OC lmfao.

Building a 5600X setup for a relative and try tuning the ram now. Kingston fury beast 32gb (2x16). A bit puzzled though, it identifies as Hynix A single rank in Thaiphoon. Does that even exist? Trying to tweak timings/speed now and 3800 16-21-21 work, 16-22-22 spews errors. I thought Hynix A maxed out at 3600 and 8gb modules or 16gb dual rank. Could it be CJR/DJR or something else wrongly identified by Thaiphoon?

I've had recently cheapo kit GSkill Ripjaws V 4400.19 2*16, Thaiphoon told it was AFR/MFR cr@p...

 

[mslds]

What's going on with your SDs and DDs? Why's it all set to 1? I don't think I've ever seen that before, I don't even know if that's actually possible. Something tells me that 1 is not what has actually been applied.

Also, zentimings is on 1.2.9 now.

If some of the high freq Intel results with DJR are any indication, it can most likely go much higher as DJR but you will have to loosen especially tRCD/tRP considerably.

I don't know if you use iGPU or another GPU but I doubt you need 1.2V for 4000 - probably have a lot of juice left in it.

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I have messed about with the sd's and dd's I think I was using 4s and 6s. It's this end of the timings I'm still trying to get my head around and tbh I've been copying and pasting from other people's overclocks to see what works best. When I changed to 1's user benchmark saw an improvement also memtest speeded up too. With me mirroring your sd and dd userbenchmark gave me a memory score of 138% when changed to 1s all the way 147%, I know this isn't the best test but it's quick and can give an idea of most things I'm tweaking in my system. AIDA is giving similar results with both settings is their any other benchmark I can try?

I am using igp at the moment however I'm not changing the voltage my motherboard is setting soc voltage automatically with fclk increase. I'm playing about with 4333 ram 2167 fclk soc voltage left on auto in bios at 1.2375v

I have messed about with the sd's and dd's I think I was using 4s and 6s. It's this end of the timings I'm still trying to get my head around and tbh I've been copying and pasting from other people's overclocks to see what works best. When I changed to 1's user benchmark saw an improvement also memtest speeded up too. With me mirroring your sd and dd userbenchmark gave me a memory score of 138% when changed to 1s all the way 147%, I know this isn't the best test but it's quick and can give an idea of most things I'm tweaking in my system. AIDA is giving similar results with both settings is their any other benchmark I can try?

I am using igp at the moment however I'm not changing the voltage my motherboard is setting soc voltage automatically with fclk increase. I'm playing about with 4333 ram 2167 fclk soc voltage left on auto in bios at 1.2375v

I think this ram can go higher and until now 4333 has been my limit as I've hit my fclk limit keeping it synced 2:1 without trying to push too seriously but I will have a go before I take the extra fan away from my ram to see if I can break 5000

 

[tabascosauz]

I have messed about with the sd's and dd's I think I was using 4s and 6s. It's this end of the timings I'm still trying to get my head around and tbh I've been copying and pasting from other people's overclocks to see what works best. When I changed to 1's user benchmark saw an improvement also memtest speeded up too. With me mirroring your sd and dd userbenchmark gave me a memory score of 138% when changed to 1s all the way 147%, I know this isn't the best test but it's quick and can give an idea of most things I'm tweaking in my system. AIDA is giving similar results with both settings is their any other benchmark I can try?

I am using igp at the moment however I'm not changing the voltage my motherboard is setting soc voltage automatically with fclk increase. I'm playing about with 4333 ram 2167 fclk soc voltage left on auto in bios at 1.2375v

userbenchmark lmao, it's not only not the best test it's not even on the radar for mem benching lol

You can use the membench embedded in DRAM Calc interchangeably with AIDA, for a second opinion. It's a decent test.

Geekbench3 specifically for the memory score to get a rough idea of bandwidth.

Linpack will measure in GFlops also useful

You're probably nearing the limit at 4400 for iGPU. Biggest stress test is to just play games with the iGPU, VSOC droop is very challenging for most if not all boards

 

[mslds]

Running 2xsingle rank might make sd and dd not relevant. I've read possibly like you said the values are being overridden as not realistic or I'm not sure if this is correct or not just a copy and paste someone else's words:

Trdrdsd- different rank, involves 2 rows in a different rank of a dim

Only relevant to dual rank is how I read that?

Trdrddd- different dimm. Involves 2 rows on different dimms

Should still be relevant with 2 x single rank dimms?

I'm finally getting a bit of understanding for what these numbers mean

 

[Taraquin]

recently i've had some Hynix AFR/MFR chips as told by Thaiphoon. It was GSkill 4400.19 2*16 GB kit. You can't literally tweak timings to "non-standard" for them. Even Spectek is better for me than Hynix for RAM OC lmfao.


I've had recently cheapo kit GSkill Ripjaws V 4400.19 2*16, Thaiphoon told it was AFR/MFR cr@p...

Thaiphoon misreports sometimes.

Not giving me any clues with my stick, I'm thinking more likely to be djr just from trfc. I couldn't get below 240ns with last djr I had and this set gives me more. My biggest worry has been increasing voltage and killing a set of cjr but it likes going to 1.5v so far with a fan directly onto the ram.


I've settled with this for everyday @1.42v, these sticks are running 1.4 with xmp so I'm good with voltage. I get get cas to 16 and rcdrd to 20 at 4000mhz if I put more power through but latency doesn't make as much difference with apus compared to standard zen 3 cpu. I can't get much more with the rest of the timings but happy to listen to any advice, I am using more trial and error also luck with ram overclock not for lack of effort with trying to learn but it's a lot to take in

Looks good! Only significant improvement I can see is trying lower RC. RAS+RP=RC so you can try 59 first. DJR can usually do sub 55 at 4000 so you can try for instance RAS 35, RC 54.

 

[mslds]

I won't be running 24/7 with silly overclocks, I am impressed with this apu but it's like I've gone back in time to the dark ages. It'll keep me going for now but any overclocks still going to leave me on low resolution low details.

I haven't enjoyed overclocking this much since q6600 days tbh, I've not had a PC for a lot of that time though it is good to see how hard everything can get pushed.

Thaiphoon misreports sometimes.


Looks good! Only significant improvement I can see is trying lower RC. RAS+RP=RC so you can try 59 first. DJR can usually do sub 55 at 4000 so you can try for instance RAS 35, RC 54.

I've been working to RCDRD+RP=RAS then same as you said to get RC. Their seems to be a lot of different ways to get RAS, what is the correct way?

I won't be running 24/7 with silly overclocks, I am impressed with this apu but it's like I've gone back in time to the dark ages. It'll keep me going for now but any overclocks still going to leave me on low resolution low details.

I haven't enjoyed overclocking this much since q6600 days tbh, I've not had a PC for a lot of that time though it is good to see how hard everything can get pushed.

I've been working to RCDRD+RP=RAS then same as you said to get RC. Their seems to be a lot of different ways to get RAS, what is the correct way?

I won't be running 24/7 with silly overclocks, I am impressed with this apu but it's like I've gone back in time to the dark ages. It'll keep me going for now but any overclocks still going to leave me on low resolution low details.

I haven't enjoyed overclocking this much since q6600 days tbh, I've not had a PC for a lot of that time though it is good to see how hard everything can get pushed.

I've been working to RCDRD+RP=RAS then same as you said to get RC. Their seems to be a lot of different ways to get RAS, what is the correct way?

I didn't think I could get anything like this result from first couple of days playing around with this kit. RAS then RC to bring down a bit

 

[Taraquin]

Try the way I suggested