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and choose between the Sapphire Pulse 6700, the MSI Ventus 6750XT or the PNY XLR8 3060TI.
Go get @Dr. Dro card, find him a new 7900XTX and take his used card. :clap:
 
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Yesterday I made a rough measure, only to see if the specs where right (320mm being max acceptable length), but I'll try to remeasure it here more precisely, or will need to take out the Red Devil from my list, and choose between the Sapphire Pulse 6700, the MSI Ventus 6750XT or the PNY XLR8 3060TI.

Ah! And I mounted the fans to the inside of the case too.
If you're not comfortable about the fit of the Red Devil, I'd personally step up to the MSI 6750XT, assuming you mean the Mech 2X? (Ventus is the same cooler on a Geforce, I think).
Servethehome.com have a decent review of it, but don't overpay - it's basically identical to a 6700XT apart from the faster VRAM, and there aren't many situations where that matters.

Realistically, there's nothing wrong with any of your options as long as you don't get ripped off. A well-priced 3060Ti is a better option than an overpriced 6750XT and I think you'd be happy even with the cheapest option listed - the 6700 10GB, if it's at least 10% cheaper than any of the 67xx or 3060Ti cards that will fit your case and are in stock.
 
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If size is an issue, the Zotac 3060Ti Twin Edge that I listed may serve you very well. And I talk from experience: the Twin Edge cooler is pretty sufficient, even for a 3070. It allows me to side mount my radiator, which limits me to shorter cards.
 
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What do you guys do regarding it? Do you use a support, or maybe those vertical-mount adapters?

I have my RTX 3090 hoisted on my case using a zip tie. Ingenious solution, but it is leveled. Image link on my system specs should show my build and you can probably see it there. :D

If you ask me, you should buy the Twin Edge 3060 Ti as @wNotyarD says, then. Should be the best card for your case, and use case, too, and it is not the most expensive. Cheers!
 
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If size is an issue, the Zotac 3060Ti Twin Edge that I listed may serve you very well. And I talk from experience: the Twin Edge cooler is pretty sufficient, even for a 3070. It allows me to side mount my radiator, which limits me to shorter cards.
Previous to the Sapphire Pulse 6700 10GB in my cramped HTPC, I was using a Zotac Twin Edge 3060 (non-Ti) because, of the 20+ different 3060 models I've bought for work, it's by far the quietest cooler of the ones that will fit in a smaller case. IMO, it's one of the best options for a short-depth case you can get.
 

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This! :( But I found a MSI Ventus 6750 XT not much expensive than the 6700 XT. However, their performance differences seem to be almost negligible.



If I go to the second market, I'll definitely get much better deals (found some used Asus 3070 around the price of the 6700 new). However, I'm not comfortable buying used GPUs right now, especially through internet, without having a way to test previously. Regarding DLSS, it may be a selling point to me, but I don't care that much for ray tracing, I prefer good graphs with a fluid playability. OK, ray tracing will improve even more the imersion in the game, but it's something I can live without.


I plan to go higher on screen size and resolution (from 21" to 27" and from 1080p to 1440p), but thinking about it more for working with audio, as more resolution helps seeing more tracks and more plugins in the screen, helping the job, and doind that with a 21" screen is a PITA. So, good graphs at 1440p will be a really appreciated, but as I already said, ray tracing is not a dealbreaker.


Yeah, I'm aware of the low-memory 3060s, but I'm not planning going lower than the RX 6700 or 3060 TI anymore. I think the cheapest GPU in my list right now is the Radeon Pulse RX 6700 I found here.


Yeah! Totally budget solution, but I think it isn't so future proof anymore (thinking at least in a couple of years ahead).

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Well, tomorrow probably will be the day I'll define what the next move will be, but dang! I didn't pay attention before, but fortunately I took a closer look at the specs of the Red Devil 6700 XT, and it has the exactly same size of the max allowed GPU length my case can handle, which could be a trouble due to the weight of the board. And the GPU support I already have here much probably will not fit in the case together with the GPU.

What do you guys do regarding it? Do you use a support, or maybe those vertical-mount adapters?


If you go used, make sure to shop at ebay, amazon (maybe newegg?) As they have buyer protection, and not facebook marketplace or ali express(no buyer protection)
 
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Go get @Dr. Dro card, find him a new 7900XTX and take his used card. :clap:
That would be best of both worlds, right?

If you're not comfortable about the fit of the Red Devil, I'd personally step up to the MSI 6750XT, assuming you mean the Mech 2X? (Ventus is the same cooler on a Geforce, I think).
Servethehome.com have a decent review of it, but don't overpay - it's basically identical to a 6700XT apart from the faster VRAM, and there aren't many situations where that matters.

Realistically, there's nothing wrong with any of your options as long as you don't get ripped off. A well-priced 3060Ti is a better option than an overpriced 6750XT and I think you'd be happy even with the cheapest option listed - the 6700 10GB, if it's at least 10% cheaper than any of the 67xx or 3060Ti cards that will fit your case and are in stock.
I even think it'll fit... except that, in this case, it would be a very precise fit, even more precise than I might feel comfortable with, mainly due to the possible weight of the board than its length. In fact, it would fit a bunch of cards with three fans, but not the longest ones.

Pulse RX 6700 - 3.175 (in installments)
Zotac Twin Edge 3060 TI - 3.389 (in installments)
PNY XLR8 3060 TI - 3.399 (in installments)
Mech 2x RX 6700 XT and 6750 XT gone out of the list (priced got higher)

If size is an issue, the Zotac 3060Ti Twin Edge that I listed may serve you very well. And I talk from experience: the Twin Edge cooler is pretty sufficient, even for a 3070. It allows me to side mount my radiator, which limits me to shorter cards.
I'll take a look at it again. Never used anything from Zotac before, and I normally avoid going in the dark with brands I don't know.

I have my RTX 3090 hoisted on my case using a zip tie. Ingenious solution, but it is leveled. Image link on my system specs should show my build and you can probably see it there. :D

If you ask me, you should buy the Twin Edge 3060 Ti as @wNotyarD says, then. Should be the best card for your case, and use case, too, and it is not the most expensive. Cheers!
Awesome! I'll take a look (both your photos and the Zotac).

Previous to the Sapphire Pulse 6700 10GB in my cramped HTPC, I was using a Zotac Twin Edge 3060 (non-Ti) because, of the 20+ different 3060 models I've bought for work, it's by far the quietest cooler of the ones that will fit in a smaller case. IMO, it's one of the best options for a short-depth case you can get.
Awesome! I'll look closer all the options.

If you go used, make sure to shop at ebay, amazon (maybe newegg?) As they have buyer protection, and not facebook marketplace or ali express(no buyer protection)
I live in Brazil, and Amazon doesn't sell used itens here. I'm looking at MercadoLivre, which is similar to eBay. And I wouldn't took the risk to buy on Ali an uaed item.
 
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@TheOgre, for your reference, this is how my 3070 Twin Edge looks inside my case:
20210119_190327.jpg


You see how it doesn't even exceed the motherboard?
 

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Between those two I'd go with the 3060Ti for DLSS and it should be cheaper for basically the same performance (ignoring DLSS)
DLSS is literally pointless for 99.6% of all titles. You might as well say to get something with FSR, actually seeing it's implemented across all GPUs down to GTX 900 series, that'd make more sense itself. Also it's not cheaper. Depends on the country, but nVidia cards are massively gouged. RTX 3000 vs RX 6000 literally costs at least as much as the series higher, if not more. Last I checked (in the States) 3050 was going for RX 6600 prices or more. This is ridiculous, as you can't even really use stuff like RT on that weak a card basically.

That should be a decent card to get, packs a little more of a punch than a RX 6650 XT but it should still be slower than the 3060 Ti in general (though it's also cheaper, so there's that). There's also an AsRock Intel Arc A770 available from Pichau, which is a novelty card... should be plenty fast, but you know, Intel's a newer player in the field and you need a pretty new computer to run it. Also, may have bugs.

Oh man my poor bank account when I get around buying the 7900 XTX... :oops:
Arc is still buggy afaik, may make a great purchase later, but well I don't buy anything on release hardware or games because I don't want to pay a premium to beta test when I can buy it cheaper after the bugs are worked out.

Here's 50 games tested

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Horizon Dawn Zero AMD wins significantly.
For Tomb Raider it's same. For Control Mbappé beats Messi.
I definitely like Resident Evil 3 more than Village. and prefer Forza over Flight Simulator.



So what's the price for these two cards?
That's kinda weird which games work better on AMD actually. Witcher 3 and Doom Eternal? Am I reading that right?

That 3080 would be oustanding, but I don't think my PSU will handle it (and I just upgraded it during the last BF), so I'm sticking with what the CX650F can support, and my wallet can pay. I think my roof is the 3070 (NVidia) or the 6700 XT (AMD), but the 3070 only in a special situation (a crazy sale).


Yeah! The 6700 goes a little bit further than the 6650 XT, and they're similarly priced. And I saw that ARC A770 (the only A770 I found being sold here), but it's the 8GB version, right? It'd be nice to get the 16GB version, but we don't see that stuff coming here in a regular basis.

I was looking for an alternative to the 6700 XT Red Devil (found at Kabum), due to its relative high power consumption, like another 6700 XT model or even a 3060 TI (the 3070 would be the best fit, but it's a bit higher in price, and I don't plan to look at ML or OLX for used ones), but maybe that 6700 Pulse will fit better in my search. I think it'll play well games at 1080p and even 1440p (I don't plan going to 4K too soon, even because 2K is more than enough to work with audio for me). My only concern with Sapphire GPUs is the shortest warranty time compared to competitors.

Dang! Are you going after a 7900 XTX, then? I don't want to go crazy, especially as I don't play that much.
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You have no reason to get a 7900XTX at all. OP barely plays games and the ones they do is like, Mass Effect and Dragon Age.

Biggest issue is what games OP want to play, he said he's got video editing in the future which afaik is better on nVidia, idk how RDNA3 shapes out for that stuff. Monitor matters, 1080p vs 4k, there's inverse square law so 2x the resolution you need 4x the GPU power. Genre matters somewhat too btw, some people like to play 1080p144hz minimum for fps games, but you can do 4k75hz for turn based strategies, GSG like Europa Universalis IV or Endless Legend type stuff, a bigger monitor being better for really immersive games like Sehnua and MSFS2020 or Elite:Dangerous. Just some other considerations. OP is Brazilian, so, don't want something using lot of power hard to cool lol.
Nothing to complain about 6700 XT, I upgraded from 1080 Ti. Hell, it's even more or less capable in 4K as my monitor is only 60Hz.

Though I bought the cheap Fighter model from Powercolor, but as I play with headphones on, it's not THAT disturbing.
Not a super big upgrade tbh, 1080ti is 5700XT to slightly better.
This! :( But I found a MSI Ventus 6750 XT not much expensive than the 6700 XT. However, their performance differences seem to be almost negligible.



If I go to the second market, I'll definitely get much better deals (found some used Asus 3070 around the price of the 6700 new). However, I'm not comfortable buying used GPUs right now, especially through internet, without having a way to test previously. Regarding DLSS, it may be a selling point to me, but I don't care that much for ray tracing, I prefer good graphs with a fluid playability. OK, ray tracing will improve even more the imersion in the game, but it's something I can live without.


I plan to go higher on screen size and resolution (from 21" to 27" and from 1080p to 1440p), but thinking about it more for working with audio, as more resolution helps seeing more tracks and more plugins in the screen, helping the job, and doind that with a 21" screen is a PITA. So, good graphs at 1440p will be a really appreciated, but as I already said, ray tracing is not a dealbreaker.


Yeah, I'm aware of the low-memory 3060s, but I'm not planning going lower than the RX 6700 or 3060 TI anymore. I think the cheapest GPU in my list right now is the Radeon Pulse RX 6700 I found here.


Yeah! Totally budget solution, but I think it isn't so future proof anymore (thinking at least in a couple of years ahead).

-------------------------------

Well, tomorrow probably will be the day I'll define what the next move will be, but dang! I didn't pay attention before, but fortunately I took a closer look at the specs of the Red Devil 6700 XT, and it has the exactly same size of the max allowed GPU length my case can handle, which could be a trouble due to the weight of the board. And the GPU support I already have here much probably will not fit in the case together with the GPU.

What do you guys do regarding it? Do you use a support, or maybe those vertical-mount adapters?
The only thing I'd emphasize is get a good idea on what you may want to do with video. I mean, AMD can still be fine, it's just I've heard people doing video editing/rendering for a living got so frustrated with oldAMD they became lifelong nVidia users. I note this as someone that trashes nVidia constantly these days. As per DLSS, it's like RT only on some brand new AAA titles so unless you want to play those titles is pretty irrelevant, and if you don't even care about raytracing I'd say you're safe just ignoring the feature entirely especially if you're getting a new card anyway. DLSS is ironically one of those things would be nice on a 1060 or 970, but hardware based so, not helpful to anyone unless they're enabling raytracing.

If you're after the raw power a 6700XT or 6600XT is pretty good bet, idk how much you want to trust people down there, and all the travails of Brasilian markets, especially buying various online sellers and not knowing it was mined on with modded vBIOS or what terrible things happened to it, who knows. Like would I buy a 6800XT from ebay in the states? Yes, but I feel somewhat protected and at least can see photos and know enough what I'm doing not to feel so easily ripped off. Even RX 6600 should be a big boost from your 1660, honestly a 6700XT should play most of your games at 4k60 or better, if you're playing much older singleplayer RPGs it'll be great (many older ones like Mass Effect 3 don't even ask much of your PC, I played a whole bunch that could run on a dualcore with 512mb VRAM tbh). If it's equivalent cost, 3060ti would be the better buy. A big issue is really just cost, because nVidia usually is so insanely more expensive it's not as worth it as AMD to me, hence why I bought 5700XT, because $90-200 less than a 2070 super but performed similarly, and this card maxes out my 75hz 1440p monitor on literally almost every title all ultra settings. 6650XT, 6700XT, 3060ti, any of those would run 1440p144 native on most titles you throw at it, only a handful of newer ones would have any issue playing 4k60 ultra on those cards.
 

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That's kinda weird which games work better on AMD actually. Witcher 3 and Doom Eternal? Am I reading that right?
kinda weird 13700kf is faster than 7900x and is 50$ cheaper.

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DLSS is literally pointless for 99.6% of all titles.

DLSS has been added or is in every game I actively play. I'd expect to see it in majority of future releases considering how large of a market share NVIDIA has.
 
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DLSS has been added or is in every game I actively play. I'd expect to see it in majority of future releases considering how large of a market share NVIDIA has.

Yet DLSS for Turing and Ampere can now be safely considered deprecated unless they back out of this insanity of calling it "classic DLSS 2" and doubling down on frame generation-authorized (and I am not saying capable, because Ampere and Turing ARE capable of it) hardware only. No one will drum anything up for this, and FSR 3.0 is likely going to achieve similar results while being hardware agnostic...
 
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For my studio usage, I'm planning to jump from my 21" FHD monitor to a 27" QHD monitor, so I think a GPU that could do moderate to good graphics in 1440p will be more than enough (don't need to play with everything max'ed, but some quality helps the playing imertion).
I would recommend RTX 3060 Ti in that case, because 1440p(QHD) is a more intensive resolution and AMD drivers are still absolute garbage.
 
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I would recommend RTX 3060 Ti in that case, because 1440p(QHD) is a more intensive resolution and AMD drivers are still absolute garbage.

They aren't absolute garbage anymore. I won't say I will grade it at the same reliability level of NV, but they have immensely improved the driver quality since the RDNA 1 family's constant issues used to occur.
 

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Not a super big upgrade tbh, 1080ti is 5700XT to slightly better.
I didn't try 1080 Ti in 4K though but 6700 XT is clearly a capable 4K card with at least a little recuded visuals. This is marketed as a 1440p card but 4K60 works fine too.
 
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You have no reason to get a 7900XTX at all. OP barely plays games and the ones they do is like, Mass Effect and Dragon Age.

Biggest issue is what games OP want to play, he said he's got video editing in the future which afaik is better on nVidia, idk how RDNA3 shapes out for that stuff. Monitor matters, 1080p vs 4k, there's inverse square law so 2x the resolution you need 4x the GPU power. Genre matters somewhat too btw, some people like to play 1080p144hz minimum for fps games, but you can do 4k75hz for turn based strategies, GSG like Europa Universalis IV or Endless Legend type stuff, a bigger monitor being better for really immersive games like Sehnua and MSFS2020 or Elite:Dangerous. Just some other considerations. OP is Brazilian, so, don't want something using lot of power hard to cool lol.
Yeah! I still need to play Mass Effect Andromeda and Dragon Age Inquisition, but I also have some new titles on queue here, waiting for the upgrade (Red Dead Redemption II, Jedi Fallen Order, Cyberpunk 2077). Right now, the main usage of the PC is for audio (recording, mixing and mastering), but eventually, in the future, I may start doing some videos here and there and, even less frequently, lives. However, it isn't in my plans to turn into a kind of influencer, or whatever it's called, I only wanna use videos to pump my audio work in the future, when I can switch from my formal job to audio work, even partialy.

Today, I use OBS to screen record, but video work is just a small part of my work (I'm still starting my home studio so, so far, I'm still working more frequently on some self projects and from my metal band, for portfolio).

I simply don't know how much an AMD or NVIDIA card will affect this. Been reading a lot about AMD issues, and how they're lowering, even tho a lot o people mocks on them. And, in the end, I can wait a bit for the upgrade? No problem. But if possible, I wanna took advantage of the prices here in BRazil. We never know what can happen in the future, and every wind of change elsewhere can do a lot here.

About monitors, right now I'm using a 21" 1080p@75Hz one, but in the future I plan to migrate to 1440p (no plans to go 4K for a while). And as I don't play competitive games, an ultra high refresh rate isn't necessary, I just want to play fluidly the games I'd open up, when I wanted to give a fresh air to my mind.

The only thing I'd emphasize is get a good idea on what you may want to do with video. I mean, AMD can still be fine, it's just I've heard people doing video editing/rendering for a living got so frustrated with oldAMD they became lifelong nVidia users. I note this as someone that trashes nVidia constantly these days. As per DLSS, it's like RT only on some brand new AAA titles so unless you want to play those titles is pretty irrelevant, and if you don't even care about raytracing I'd say you're safe just ignoring the feature entirely especially if you're getting a new card anyway. DLSS is ironically one of those things would be nice on a 1060 or 970, but hardware based so, not helpful to anyone unless they're enabling raytracing.
DLSS? OK, it's an interesting feature and can be useful for playing, but I almost don't care for ray tracing at this point. I've been playing for aeons without even knowing about ray tracing, it won't hurt if I simple let the aside.

If you're after the raw power a 6700XT or 6600XT is pretty good bet, idk how much you want to trust people down there, and all the travails of Brasilian markets, especially buying various online sellers and not knowing it was mined on with modded vBIOS or what terrible things happened to it, who knows. Like would I buy a 6800XT from ebay in the states? Yes, but I feel somewhat protected and at least can see photos and know enough what I'm doing not to feel so easily ripped off. Even RX 6600 should be a big boost from your 1660, honestly a 6700XT should play most of your games at 4k60 or better, if you're playing much older singleplayer RPGs it'll be great (many older ones like Mass Effect 3 don't even ask much of your PC, I played a whole bunch that could run on a dualcore with 512mb VRAM tbh). If it's equivalent cost, 3060ti would be the better buy. A big issue is really just cost, because nVidia usually is so insanely more expensive it's not as worth it as AMD to me, hence why I bought 5700XT, because $90-200 less than a 2070 super but performed similarly, and this card maxes out my 75hz 1440p monitor on literally almost every title all ultra settings. 6650XT, 6700XT, 3060ti, any of those would run 1440p144 native on most titles you throw at it, only a handful of newer ones would have any issue playing 4k60 ultra on those cards.
Secondhand market here has lots and lots of "good" deals, but I'm not willing to go that way, exactly due to what you said, we never know what the current owner have done with his/her card (extreme overclocks, mined...). What I can say is: today, I can find both the three at almost the same price here: RX 6700 (Sapphire Pulse), RX 6700 XT (Gigabyte Eagle) or RTX 3060 TI (some entry models from Gainward, Galax, Gigabyte Eagle or PNY). Even tho it's the less powerful of the three, the RX 6700 have my appreciation as it can run current games in high quality even at 1440p, and is the least energy consuming of the three. But that's about it. If I decide to go with the 3060 TI, I'd prefer to get a slightly better model than the entry level ones. I don't care that much about RGB, as long as the card is good and has some warranty. Was looking for Asus or Zotac, but then the prices go up a bit, making them less favorable. In fact, I don't know if here AMD is offering slightly higher prices on the RX 6700 non-XT and XT cards, or if some 3060 TI models are being sold here at lower prices.

They aren't absolute garbage anymore. I won't say I will grade it at the same reliability level of NV, but they have immensely improved the driver quality since the RDNA 1 family's constant issues used to occur.
Yeah! That's what I've been reading nowadays, that AMD managed to stabilize their drivers and making them less buggy.
 

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Yeah! That's what I've been reading nowadays, that AMD managed to stabilize their drivers and making them less buggy.
I can agree with that, with my 6700 XT (only had this for like a month) I haven't got any problems, at least with me, AMD drivers work just as well as NVIDIA ones.
 
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Well guys. Updating info on this: after a few more days of research, when I finally decided to avoid getting the 6700 (non-XT) and was trying to decide between getting the 6700 XT (maybe the Gigabyte Eagle - for the price) or the 3060 TI (no specific model yet), yesterday appeared a (new) Asus KO Gaming RTX 3070 v2 OC for sale, cheapest 3070 I found so far here in Brazil, for about the same price as the other 6700 XT options I had: the PowerColor Red Devil RX 6700 XT or the Sapphire RX 6700 XT. Bearing in mind that this model seems to be a more premium model (maybe only below TUFs and ROGs), and I could pay for it in installments for the same price, I decided to get it. The recommended power requeriments for it is 750W, but I'll not overclock it (other than the stock OC) or the CPU, and using the OuterVision and the PCPartPicker calculators for an estimated system consumption, my 650W would handle smoothly the whole system.
 
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Great deal. As the Asus KO is kinda short, it won't give you any issues for clearance. And despite the 8GB of VRAM, it'll still hold its own for a good time.
 
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Great deal. As the Asus KO is kinda short, it won't give you any issues for clearance. And despite the 8GB of VRAM, it'll still hold its own for a good time.
Yeah... that's the only thing that didn't excite me so much about it (and also the 3060 TI) too: the "low" amount of memory. But, so far, I think for 1440p 8GB is still a safe amount of memory.
 
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I've not had issues at 1440p with my 3070 yet. Probably CP2077 and Metro Exodus EE are the two most demanding things and I can run them at max settings without issues. CP2077 needs DLSS performance to actually run at decent framerates, but that's a CP2077 problem that affects just about everything except the 4080 and 4090.
 
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I've not had issues at 1440p with my 3070 yet. Probably CP2077 and Metro Exodus EE are the two most demanding things and I can run them at max settings without issues. CP2077 needs DLSS performance to actually run at decent framerates, but that's a CP2077 problem that affects just about everything except the 4080 and 4090.
This. I think the newest game I did run on mine was F1 2020 but a potato can run it at decent resolution and framerates. I do so at 1440p at 110 fps and over - so well within FreeSync range on my CV27Q - with highest quality and that's without using DLSS (I did try it once, but while it improved framerates I disliked some of the misrendering it caused).
I do have Control for raytracing and Horizon ZD as the newest on my libraries, but I didn't start playing them yet. Funny enough, one "old" game that's still capable of dropping my rig to mid-60 FPS is Sleeping Dogs DE with everything enabled.
 
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@TheOgre, for your reference, this is how my 3070 Twin Edge looks inside my case:
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You see how it doesn't even exceed the motherboard?
Well... the card arrived yesterday, was installed and has already been put to the test. I've run some benchmarks in 3DMark, done an stress test on the whole system in AIDA64 for about 15 minutes and then played Control in ultra with ray tracing on (1080p) for another 15 minutes, just to test the stability of the system. So far, so good. Just hope it holds its own the same way my 1650 Super TUF did until now. Only one thing I should mention: even tho it's a two-fan card, or it's a bit bigger than other two-fan cards, or I'd be in trouble with a three-fan card here: the GPU and the GPU holder almost occupied almost all the internal space (length) of the case.

 
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3-fan cards are typically 300mm long or more, but quite narrow in terms of width away from the motherboard
2-fan cards are usually ~250mm long but much wider, which is a different issue I have with a narrow HTPC cases like my GD05

There's not a lot of cooling performance difference between dual and triple fan variants because the total heatsink area is similar either way - so I wouldn't worry about it. The card you have looks like an optimal fit for your case TBH.
 

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