13600 vs 13600k

[devinthedude]

Hi i have a question.
When i get the 13600, i have to live with what its giving to me at 65w, maybe i could overclock a little maybe not running stable or smth.
But (i think) if i buy a 13600k, i can undervolt it, until it consums 65w. So i could change everything between 65w and stock setting, as i want.

Am i right?

 

[evernessince]

The 13600 still boosts up to 154w and has identical performance to the 13600K. The only reason to get the 13600K is if you like to thinker.

 

[devinthedude]

Thats smashing me.. so its just matters if i wanna overclock i get 13600k and if notnit doesnt matter?

 

[phanbuey]

13600K has thermal headroom so it can hit some pretty crazy clocks
5 Minute Overclock: Core i5-13600K to 6100 MHz - YouTube

You probably won't get 6100 mhz but 5.8-5.9 should be easy on a decent cooler.

Afaik 13600 stops at 5.0

 

[lightning70]

The 13600 still boosts up to 154w and has identical performance to the 13600K. The only reason to get the 13600K is if you like to thinker.

If I'm not mistaken, 13600 is Alder Lake silicon, 13600k is Raptor Lake silicon, but I could be wrong. As far as I know there is a difference. This is what I read from Video Card Z.

 

[phanbuey]

If I'm not mistaken, 13600 is Alder Lake silicon, 13600k is Raptor Lake silicon, but I could be wrong. As far as I know there is a difference. This is what I read from Video Card Z.

That would make sense about the clocks.

 

[Hofnaerrchen]

Hi i have a question.
When i get the 13600, i have to live with what its giving to me at 65w, maybe i could overclock a little maybe not running stable or smth.
But (i think) if i buy a 13600k, i can undervolt it, until it consums 65w. So i could change everything between 65w and stock setting, as i want.

Am i right?

OC a non-K intel CPU? Did intel change their OC-policy?

 

[pressing on]

The 13600 still boosts up to 154w and has identical performance to the 13600K. The only reason to get the 13600K is if you like to thinker.

It would be nice if the 13600 performed the same as the 13600K, but is hardly likely. The specs look similar on paper, for example the 13600 boosts to 5.0 GHz and the 13600K to 5.1 GHz, both have 24Mb of L3 cache and 8 E-cores. But the 13600 is based on the Alder Lake 12600K, and the 13600K on Raptor Lake. Raptor Lake is a new chip with an improved architecture that have significantly better performance than the previous gen. As part of this the 13600K also gets more L2 cache for both the P-cores and E-cores, up from the 11.5 Mb of the 13600 to 20Mb.

The 13600 suffers slightly from being the most expensive of the 2023 i5s (13400/F, 13500 and 13600) which puts it closer to the 13600K currently selling for around $320. I have not seen a price for the 13600 yet but the 13400F is $210, the 13400 $240 and the 13500 $250. So the 13660 might be $260, but for $60 more...

 

[devinthedude]

There is price on mindfactory.de german shop its 5eu less than 13600k. Maybe between the 2 architecutre there is not rly a "better" its just a decision between more power/power consumption vs less/less..? But that bites with Post#2 i went for k version anyway so i always have a option to undervolt if consumption is too high ..i feel so dumb writing this lol.

 

[pressing on]

OC a non-K intel CPU? Did intel change their OC-policy?

No overclock for the 13600. Many B660/B760 boards come as standard with power limits set to max and some form of multi-core enhancement. You might get 5.0 GHz all core or something close to it. Temperatures are unlikely to be an issue, you could probably get by OK with air cooling. I note that Asus have a new multicore enhancement feature on their B760 boards where a CPU temperature limit of 90C is applied. But that might still be too high for some.

The main issue with the 13600K is that in really needs to go into a Z690/Z790 to make the most of its overclocking capabilities, so I think there's a bigger divide between 13600 and 13600K than it might seem.

 

[phanbuey]

There is price on mindfactory.de german shop its 5eu less than 13600k. Maybe between the 2 architecutre there is not rly a "better" its just a decision between more power/power consumption vs less/less..? But that bites with Post#2 i went for k version anyway so i always have a option to undervolt if consumption is too high ..i feel so dumb writing this lol.

Why? You can even change it on the fly using windows power profiles -- K gives you the option of performance or power efficiency (or both if you undervolt/overclock).

To answer your question, yes, it's very easy to make a 13600k as power efficient as a 13600 through settings.

 

[evernessince]

If I'm not mistaken, 13600 is Alder Lake silicon, 13600k is Raptor Lake silicon, but I could be wrong. As far as I know there is a difference. This is what I read from Video Card Z.

You are 100% correct. I double checked as it came as big surprise to me.

Thats smashing me.. so its just matters if i wanna overclock i get 13600k and if notnit doesnt matter?

Scratch my earlier post, it appears the 13600 and 13600X are using different architectures. The 13600 is using the older Alder Lake Architecture. While gaming performance will be close between the two, application performance will be better on the 13600X.

With that in mind, I really don't think the 13600 is worth the $255 MSRP Intel is asking. It makes this a very tough choice. You can go 13600K for quite a bit more money or you can get Zen 4.

AMD is releasing the 7600 at $230 (which includes a decent cooler) in 5 days. Given that DDR5 prices have plummeted, a Ryzen 7600 CPU + Motherboard + RAM will end up costing around the same as a 13600 + RAM + Motherboard. The difference is the 7600 is going to be faster in both games and applications. It'll also use less power and the motherboard will support the next few CPU generations, meaning you'll have the option to easily upgrade in the future should you wish.

Of course this all depends on what you are going for. If you are doing more core heavy stuff, go 13600K. If you aren't, a 7600 would be a better choice.

Typically I'd say if you are fine with good but not the best Zen 3 (like the 5600X) or Alder lake are good choice but retail pricing of those CPUs is currently extremely disappointing. I'm not really sure what's going on with last gen CPU pricing right now but it seems to have spiked up after christmas and hopefully it's temporary and goes down. I do not want to see what happened to the GPU market to also happen to the CPU market. If you can snag a good used deal though, that would work. I wouldn't pay over $140 for a used 5600X or $160 for the motherboard.

 

[phanbuey]

You are 100% correct. I double checked as it came as big surprise to me.



Scratch my earlier post, it appears the 13600 and 13600X are using different architectures. The 13600 is using the older Alder Lake Architecture. While gaming performance will be close between the two, application performance will be better on the 13600X.

With that in mind, I really don't think the 13600 is worth the $255 MSRP Intel is asking. It makes this a very tough choice. You can go 13600K for quite a bit more money or you can get Zen 4.

AMD is releasing the 7600 at $230 (which includes a decent cooler) in 5 days. Given that DDR5 prices have plummeted, a Ryzen 7600 CPU + Motherboard + RAM will end up costing around the same as a 13600 + RAM + Motherboard. The difference is the 7600 is going to be faster in both games and applications. It'll also use less power and the motherboard will support the next few CPU generations, meaning you'll have the option to easily upgrade in the future should you wish.

Of course this all depends on what you are going for. If you are doing more core heavy stuff, go 13600K. If you aren't, a 7600 would be a better choice.

Typically I'd say if you are fine with good but not the best Zen 3 (like the 5600X) or Alder lake are good choice but retail pricing of those CPUs is currently extremely disappointing. I'm not really sure what's going on with last gen CPU pricing right now but it seems to have spiked up after christmas and hopefully it's temporary and goes down. I do not want to see what happened to the GPU market to also happen to the CPU market. If you can snag a good used deal though, that would work. I wouldn't pay over $140 for a used 5600X or $160 for the motherboard.

Keep in mind the 13600 has similar application performance to the i7 12700 / R9 5900 -- The 13600 will match the 7700x in most applications -- it would absolutely smoke the 7600x in applications except in some outlier scenarios. Games will depend on the game but overall they're kind of similar, with an edge to the 7600.

 

[evernessince]

Keep in mind the 13600 has similar application performance to the i7 12700 / R9 5900 -- The 13600 will match the 7700x in most applications -- it would absolutely smoke the 7600x in applications except in some outlier scenarios. Games will depend on the game but overall they're kind of similar, with a slight edge to the 7600.

The 13600 matches the 7700X in heavily threaded applications, otherwise the 7600X has the advantage in lightly to moderately threaded applications. Performance is often equal to or better than a 12900K in that regard. Ditto goes for games.

Mind you I already made a stipulation for Multi-threaded applications in my prior post.

 

[phanbuey]

Not sure about that...

Honestly wait for the X3D chip if anything, I have a feeling Zen 4 prices will continue to drop. I wouldn't recommend going LGA 1700 (dead socket) unless it's really cheap and you want to pick up the 13600k to push it to 6GHz.

 

[evernessince]

Not sure about that...

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Honestly wait for the X3D chip if anything, I have a feeling Zen 4 prices will continue to drop. I wouldn't recommend going LGA 1700 (dead socket) unless it's really cheap and you want to pick up the 13600k to push it to 6GHz.

I'm pretty sure: https://www.techspot.com/review/2534-amd-ryzen-7600x/

TPU's 7000 series results are lower then that of most other publications.


Mind you I'm not sure the 13600 is equal to a 12700K. The 13600 has 2 less big P cores and 4 more small e cores. Multi-threaded performance wise they might be similar but anything that needs more than 6 P cores (like many AAA games) is going to suffer as compared to the 12700K.

 

[phanbuey]

TPU's 7000 series results are lower then that of most other publications.

Adobe after effects is one application - not an average. HW unboxed generally shows AMD in a positive light (But even HW Unboxed will tell you a 13600 will decimate a 7600 in applications.) - either way we're kind of splitting hairs -- you're probably looking at single digit % average difference in games between the 2 sets (7600x vs 13600k or 7600 vs 13600).

 

[devinthedude]

Unreal Engine: 13th Gen Intel Core vs AMD Ryzen 7000

Intel's new 13th Gen processors have just launched, hard on the heels of AMD's recent release of their Ryzen 7000 Series. AMD has long held the lead with Unreal Engine workflows. Will the new 13th Gen processors allow Intel to overtake AMD and become the best choice for Unreal Engine?

www.pugetsystems.com

This looks sick. Just not sure to trust this..

 

[phanbuey]

Unreal Engine: 13th Gen Intel Core vs AMD Ryzen 7000

Intel's new 13th Gen processors have just launched, hard on the heels of AMD's recent release of their Ryzen 7000 Series. AMD has long held the lead with Unreal Engine workflows. Will the new 13th Gen processors allow Intel to overtake AMD and become the best choice for Unreal Engine?

www.pugetsystems.com

This looks sick. Just not sure to trust this..

Looks pretty cache sensitive? Those 4 extra cores between the 7700x and the 7900x look nuts (vs 7900 vs 7950). I have a feeling the X3D chips are going to double perf here lol.


To OP I would probably go AMD for upgradeability here - unless you can get a really good deal on the LGA 1700 kit.

 

[evernessince]

Adobe after effects is one application - not an average.

Hence why I posted a link to the review. I'm not going to post every graph from their review, surely you can follow a link.

HW unboxed generally shows AMD in a positive light (But even HW Unboxed will tell you a 13600 will decimate a 7600 in applications.) - either way we're kind of splitting hairs -- you're probably looking at single digit % average difference in games between the 2 sets (7600x vs 13600k or 7600 vs 13600).

Hogwash. HWUB results are in line with the general consensus of professional reviews.

No, no, no. We were splitting hairs until you started attacking one of the largest review outlet's reputation without any proof. Now I'm done with this conversation.

 

[phanbuey]

Hence why I posted a link to the review. I'm not going to post every graph from their review, surely you can follow a link.



Hogwash. HWUB results are in line with the general consensus of professional reviews.

No, no, no. We were splitting hairs until you started attacking one of the largest review outlet's reputation without any proof. Now I'm done with this conversation.

"Generally shows AMD in a positive light" = "attacking one of the largest review outlet's reputation without any proof"

Pretty dramatic.

 

[pressing on]

There are always specific games where either AMD or Intel perform somewhat better than average, and I would not in either case take such results to be any indicator of normal games performance. And of course you have to suspend belief and imagine that it's entirely normal to run a 3080 or 4090 at 1080p. The review of the 13600K by TechPowerUp (TPU) paints quite a different picture to some of the YouTubers. There is no test by TPU of the 13600 as yet, I would expect the 13400 or 13400F might appear reasonably soon. It's obvious that all three of these will be around the 12600K performance-wise which is perfectly OK for sub $250 CPUs. The main issue with AMD for me is that the 7600 and the 3D cache models are still coming, they are not here yet. So yes the conversation will be dominated by Intel because their products have actually been released.

 

[Gica]

If I'm not mistaken, 13600 is Alder Lake silicon, 13600k is Raptor Lake silicon, but I could be wrong. As far as I know there is a difference. This is what I read from Video Card Z.

13400 is identical to 12600K. Only the frequencies and limitations differ.
13500 and 13600 is a hybrid: Alder cores on the Raptor platform.

12600K:
6P+4e /16t
9.5MB L2
20MB L3

13400:
6P+4e /16t
9.5MB L2
20MB L3

13500/13600:
6P+8e /20t
11.5MB L2
24MB L3

13600K:
6P+8e /20t
20MB L2
24MB L3

12th microarchitecture
Golden Cove (P-cores)
Gracemont (E-cores)

13th microarchitecture
Raptor Cove (P-cores) but not locked i3 and i5.
Gracemont (E-cores)

 

[Frag_Maniac]

I typically get the K models even though I don't OC anymore. I just don't feel the small amount you save is worth it for the likelihood of getting a lower binned chip in the non K models. Also, as hard is it is to even find non K models (usually KF instead), they can often be OEM chips as well, which don't have the 3 yr warranty.