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just this season, i really enjoyed the previous ones

It's offtopic but the ADHD meds have made me a lot better at daily life, but it removes that compulsion that drives people too - you lose that urge to throw everything else away and sit there and watch a show
Yeap, you lose the stimulation seeking in a way... that drive for sensory escape is just less.

FWIW, that's how I feel about a lot of things now, even without medication. I'm not depressed, and enjoy/appreciate the things I do with my time. I've just learned to keep it structured with space to just relax and not be goal-oriented. I have that sense of time discipline trained into my very being now. I just went the 'years of abject failure' route instead :laugh: There aren't too many easy tradeoffs with this stuff, though. I salute people who can deal with the loss of interest in pleasure/leisure activities, or just don't experience it.
 
Normal people brains are so boring, but the current world is set up only to work for boring people
 
Indeed, the eternal conflict. Normal brains make MY brain melt - I can't reconcile with it, too much of my identity is tied to the person I've always been for me to want to have a fully normal life anymore. It definitely works out better for boring normies, but I only want to give so much of myself to a society that barely sees me to begin with, and only rewards me for being someone else. Iam14andthisisdeep. But I'd rather be homeless or move somewhere else, try to find good niches. I got tired of playing the game - most people rebel more when they're young. I guess I partied n'stuff, but I had it in my head to go the normal route and do all of the normal things. It was only as I got older and realized more about myself that normal living became hell to me. I'm rollin' the dice on my alternative skillsets working out, because masking stopped working for me years ago. Besides, people in this country live all kinds of lives. It's just a matter of what you value, and where that comes from. Like, normative society isn't even geared for the kind of life I would want, so in my mind I have to ask myself what taking the lesser prize is worth for me. I think that's actually the case for lots of different kinds of people. Me playing the game perfectly STILL doesn't give me what I want, outside of maybe a nice socioeconomic platform that's harder to fall off of. Otherwise it deprives me in fundamental ways. If I'm low status, at least I can be sure there will be others like me around me, who still understand me and care about me. Even low status people still have eachother, and with focus, themselves too. Beyond that, as long as I can survive outside of total pain, fear and loss, I am good. I don't need to be like other people or have what they have.

For all I know, I may get a little older and long for more stability. That just hasn't been the trend. The more aware I am of the tradeoff... including the things I stand to lose... the more I just feel I grow in a happier direction living on the side of life that favors my own conception of myself, even if it's a simpler life with less pizazz. This world is full of so many dehumanizing elements, especially for the neurodivergent. I rest easier knowing who I am and where I'm at with the rest of the world. It helps that I'm not even in a super-serious relationship. I just date when I feel like it, take things as they come. So I pretty much only have to look after me. And I would be fine with it staying that way, if that's what life gives me.

Just a different approach, I guess. Plenty of people do great with the medication and seem really happy with how their lives are, and basically traumatized by how their lives were. I'm not in that camp. ADHD has been as positive as it has been negative for me, and I don't relent over having it. It doesn't feel like that kind of burden to me, so I see the options differently. The challenges are no less with the medication route. For me it's a matter of which set of challenges has a more appealing prize for me.
 
Much more voyeuristic.

The issue to me (and probably others?) is a combination of Voyeurism + Squickiness... this feeling of disgust when you get sexual content that is more than "just a turn off", but actively disgusts you.

Squickiness is fine by itself. There's an attempted rape scene by a biker gang in Death Note Episode 1 that pretty much everyone I know was okay with for example. Remember this guy? https://deathnote.fandom.com/wiki/Takuo_Shibuimaru . He clearly is pulling the lady's pants down before she escapes and Shibuimaru is hit by a truck. This is "squicky", disgusting material. Everyone hates it, but we "know" the director hates it, we know everyone else watching hates it, etc. etc. So we're good. As long as everyone in the audience is on the same page (and we all get that feeling), its acceptable as a scene. (The scene is about Light "deciding" that humans are worth killing after all, and watching an attempted rape is part of this well written story / character arc)

Similarly, Voyeurism is fine by itself. Even if you're not into whatever fetish is being displayed, you can easily ignore it in most cases. The easiest example here are a myriad of Yuri / Yaoi scenes that pop up in a voyeuristic lens. I'm really not into that, but I'm not disgusted / turning off the TV / walking away when it pops up. DNAngel is perhaps a good example of this, its a Yaoi-bait anime. (Not explicitly Yaoi, but a lot of the poses / shots are kind of "implying" Yaoi). Or Sasuke kissing Naruto early on, etc. etc. It never bothered me one bit, but I'm really not into it. In fact, it doesn't bother most people I know. And sure, Yaoi fangirls are ridiculous but I get it, they're part of the anime audience and these scenes are "for them".

In combination: Voyeurism + Squickiness... things start to get dangerous. Its squicky, so you get this feeling of "something is wrong", and "this is disgusting". But the Voyeurism shots are "in a way that the audience should enjoy it". A recent anime that did this to me was Skeleton Knight. Yes "it was a joke", but the camera is lingering a little bit too long on the tits-and-ass of the poor girl in episode 1 rape scene... and "shot in a way to make the audience enjoy it". Its squicky, but I'm forced to watch through it because the episode is lingering on the subject far too long... so I'm wondering wtf the director is going for. I mean, we know what they're going for and I didn't like it.

The safest bet is to share anime like Spy x Family, FMA: Brotherhood, Promised Neverland, Ranking of Kings, Little Witch Academia, where there's no Squickiness at all and almost no Voyeurism.

Next up the risk is something like Code Geass. It plays with both Squickiness and Voyeurism, but never at the same time. There's plenty of tits-and-ass in Code Geass, and the mounting-position of pilots is vaguely sexualized (not as much as Darling in the Franxx, but its still present in Code Geass). There's also a ton of squicky scenes. I seem to remember one girl masturbating on a table for instance. But it wasn't a Voyeuristic shot, it was a disgusting shot and treated as such. Since Squickiness + Voyeurism never really happened at the same time, its fine. You probably should note that the anime is sexual in nature and make sure people are cool with it (ex: make sure your young kids are out of the room), but its generally enjoyable.

Then come Monogatari, which explicitly are playing with Voyeurism + Squickiness together. These anime have the highest risk of angering the audience. You need to be very familiar with what the audience is good with, since it is trying to find that line and mess with the audience explicitly.

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But here's the thing: anime often is unfairly seen only through this sexual lens. When I try to talk about anime, its about really good shows like Ranking of Kings to my friends. But what are the ones they bring up? Food Wars. No one I know even watches Food Wars, but exploding clothes / orgasmic voyeuristic shots are what people wanna talk about.

The other issue is when people turn a blind eye to it in Western Media. Like, "Its a Wonderful Life" is going to be playing around the country as a classic, 1940s black-and-white Christmas story across this country to be shown to families / kids all around. But people will turn a blind eye to "This is a very interesting situation" where Mary's clothes / robe falls off in the middle of the street... and George bullies her for a bit. Its basically shot-for-shot like a lot of these "clothes fall off" scenes from anime. Or Jim Carrey's "The Grinch" literally faceplants into a woman's breasts, and the camera makes it pretty clear that he's basically motorboating Martha May Whovier (slight exaggeration but... seriously... look up Martha May Whovier from the 2000 film). This is film rated PG for goodness sakes!

(Sorry for the Christmas examples, they're just what I've seen recently, lol)

Anyway, I turn a blind eye to it, in both anime and western media. But I also remember the scenes, because I know its a major turn off to others.

I mean... I get it. We don't wanna be this guy:

But at the same time, this toying-around-with Squickiness is hardly an anime-exclusive idea!
 
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As long as everyone in the audience is on the same page (and we all get that feeling), its acceptable as a scene
This goes wrong in so much media

It's sadly true that unless it's slapped in your face, people downright miss these things - like when "the boys" had news articles that people were shocked homelander was a BAD GUY ALL ALONG?!?

"What? No! He upholds all my morals and views and what do you mean he's pro nazi like i am, but that's a BAD thing?!?"
Far-Right Fans Of 'The Boys' Meltdown Over Evil Homelander (uproxx.com)

Theres a scene where he stands on top of the empire state building yelling "i can do what i want" and super-jizzes over manhattan
The director knows he's evil. We know he's evil.
People think "What a mad lad, absolute here, god i love that he does these brave things and wont take no for an answer!"



And then when people do that over the sexual stuff that's 100% meant to clearly be bad... we get animes poor reputation
 
There's a lot of sexual scenes in anime. Spoilers: there's plenty of that in standard live action TVs, movies, commercials, and your favorite local restaurant (ever notice how they tend to put the pretty girls up front)? It's just a question of whether or not the viewer has the maturity to handle it.
 
Not even sure what motivates this argument other than some weird defense of the male gaze… it’s not even comparable
 
Not even sure what motivates this argument other than some weird defense of the male gaze… it’s not even comparable
No argument, just a discussion on how western culture can view anime, totally miss that the bad scenes are MEANT to be bad to make you hate the bad people - and then assuming people watch it because they enjoy those scenes
Cultural context changes interperations so much, and it's genuinely valuable to be aware of that

Mostly because hollywood really are prudes over very strange issues, which resulted in the weird view that anyone who watches anime is there for the porn
 
No argument, just a discussion on how western culture can view anime, totally miss that the bad scenes are MEANT to be bad to make you hate the bad people - and then assuming people watch it because they enjoy those scenes
Cultural context changes interperations so much, and it's genuinely valuable to be aware of that

Mostly because hollywood really are prudes over very strange issues, which resulted in the weird view that anyone who watches anime is there for the porn
Well, there's plenty of scenes in Code Geass (which was mentioned before) which are overly lewd for no reason. It's not even done to show that there's a bad guy. The only lewd thing I can think of that had any real point to it was the scene that shows Nina really likes Euphemia... in other words, there's plenty of fanservice out there. It's not entirely one-sided, though. Which is an important point, because it's not always about men objectifying women... sometimes lewd things just exist and regardless whatever fun bits we may be packing in our drawers, it's up to us to be mature enough to handle it in whichever way we see fit. For some people, that may mean avoiding the content altogether. Personally, I'm not going to stop enjoying Code Geass just because sometimes you can see boobies flying around for a few seconds, even though it's a bit rediculous.

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The only lewd thing I can think of that had any real point to it was the scene that shows Nina really likes Euphemia... in other words, there's plenty of fanservice out there.

I think Kallen in the Playboy Bunny outfit actually was a decent excuse. They were invading a casino, and she needed to blend in.

But yeah, I mention Code Geass because, despite the higher levels of sexual content, I don't think anyone has ever told me that they felt uncomfortable with it.

There's a line "beyond" Code Geass, is what I'm saying, and not hentai either. I think everyone knows that the pornos are going to porno. But there's some weird rape-heavy voyeurism in some shows these days that probably deserves mention / warning. Skeleton Knight Ep. 1 is one example. This season (Fall 2022) has Eminence in Shadow episode 1... And I think everyone in the Berserk Fandom knows about "that scene" in the OVAs...

Generally speaking, I don't talk about the anime that crosses the line for me. There's plenty of anime I'd rather "advertise" and talk about instead. And if an anime makes me uncomfortable, I shut it off and move onto the next show. The key is communication... also knowing myself, my personal limits and comfort. And knowing the limits of my close friends when I give them recommendations.

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Don't get me wrong. I see this happen in Western media too. And I also think that anime has an unfair reputation for being overly sexual. Even Code Geass is tamer than like, Airplane (1980). And I think Code Geass is more sexualized than the majority of anime. But I do admit that there's some scenes / shows where a content warning is absolutely deserved.

EDIT: Lets put it this way: I'm probably going to let newbies know that Game of Thrones involves incest and rape (and even "incest AND rape") themes. Its just fair warning. When similar events happen in anime, I'm also going to give fair warning. Its not particularly common in Western media, and I don't think its particularly common in anime. But that's why those kinds of shows / scenes deserve content warnings. Its traumatizing to some audience members to watch that kinda stuff and I think a degree of fair warning is important. I don't think I've fully figured out where the lines is myself, but... it definitely exists out there somewhere.
 
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Well, there's plenty of scenes in Code Geass (which was mentioned before) which are overly lewd for no reason. It's not even done to show that there's a bad guy. The only lewd thing I can think of that had any real point to it was the scene that shows Nina really likes Euphemia... in other words, there's plenty of fanservice out there. It's not entirely one-sided, though. Which is an important point, because it's not always about men objectifying women... sometimes lewd things just exist and regardless whatever fun bits we may be packing in our drawers, it's up to us to be mature enough to handle it in whichever way we see fit. For some people, that may mean avoiding the content altogether. Personally, I'm not going to stop enjoying Code Geass just because sometimes you can see boobies flying around for a few seconds, even though it's a bit rediculous.

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Theres a certain hospital scene in evangelion that's rather infamous
That stuff is the cultural differences, to them adults can see all this stuff with no moral concerns
 
Theres a certain hospital scene in evangelion that's rather infamous
That stuff is the cultural differences, to them adults can see all this stuff with no moral concerns

I think its fair to say that OVAs are poorly representative of anime in general. Even if that OVA is of Evangelion (a rather popular one), the kinds of stuff that come into OVAs are far beyond what is allowed on Japanese broadcast regulations.

Indeed. That's why some shows release as OVAs, to explicitly get around the Japanese regulators/censors. Its like comparing your typical HBO show and trying to generalize it to all American media. It just doesn't work like that, even if HBO has very good content... it took advantage of the lax rules of cable television, to show stuff that would have never been allowed on broadcast TV.

Like, we can all agree that Game of Thrones (HBO) is a cultural phenomenon, but also not very representative of US Network TV.

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EDIT: A lot of context is lost when we consume anime as an outsider. We don't get "timeslots". Something that airs at 3pm on a weekday in Japan will have different rules / regulations from an "after dark" show or worse, an OVA.

EDIT2: We are also missing TV Channels and other such context. TV Tokyo broadcast shows (ex: Spy x Family) are naturally going to be more mainstream and safe. Much like "Comedy Central cartoons" (ex: South Park) has more leeway than Arthur from PBS.
 
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Started Summer Time Rendering yesterday, got sucked in.
 
That's the "Disney" one, IIRC a mystery of some kind. I've heard good things about it, but haven't seen it yet myself.
It's licensed by Disney, not a "Disney one". People get murdered in it, brutally.
 
Finished Jojo Stone Ocean during the Xmas break, time to make a start on either Gundam The witch mercury or Chainsaw man.
 

A much more somber tone for the opening.

I know that the original Trigun Anime (1990s) did not follow the manga. It was pretty much "its own thing", kinda like Full Metal Alchemist (2003). I'm curious how Stampede will fit into the manga-continuity, or if its going to be completely different. I never read the manga myself. But this new 3d CGI + Vash's hairstyle are kind of turnoffs for me already. But I'm trying to go into this with an open mind.

Still, a reboot / tweaking of the story isn't the worst thing in the world. As good as the original anime was, it came off as bipolar IMO, with the first half incredibly silly, and the 2nd half hitting hard emotionally. A more consistent tone could be a good thing? I am one of the watchers who preferred the 2nd half after all, so I'd rather have "more serious Vash", rather than "goofy early-episodes Vash".

And with this opening, it seems like they're focusing more on serious-Vash. Its a solid opening... so its piqued my interest. At least a little bit.

But still, where's Millie Thompson? Uggh. Reporter Meryl rather than Insurance lady? Its already so different.
 
Watched the 1st episode for Nier Automata, damn it looks mighty impressive and I am interested to see how they mesh Route A&B together. Since they did it already in EP1.
The meme of the multiple ending was funny.
The opening cinematic wasn't what I expected but it is nice.
 
Started Re:Creators, not sure about being sucked in, but I really enjoy the opening song: Gravity wall. Nice vibe there.
 
Anyone going to watch the 2nd Sword Art online: Progress movie which is out this week in the west? I know it gets a lot of bash but the Aincrad arc was the only enjoyable part of the franchise.
I went to watch the 1st movie in 2021 and enjoyed it so i'll be watching the 2nd film this weekend with subtitles.
 
Started re-watching Monogatari series, it's like a warm blanket of angst and depression.
 
This
"Eiyuuou, Bu wo Kiwameru Tame Tenseisu: Soshite, Sekai Saikyou no Minarai Kishi."
I just love the way she loves to fight & this infecitous smile she has about all of it. reminds me of old Dragon ball Z Goku's attitude to fight.
 
This is hilarious lol Resident Evil 4 anime styles

 
This is hilarious lol Resident Evil 4 anime styles

Their PR agency in Japan can't go wrong. Their Village ads were also funny AF.
 
I'm only 2 episodes in, but Sonny Boy has been excellent so far.


Trailer#2 has more info:


An entire school, plus maybe about 50ish high schoolers, get teleported into a mysterious world. Part of the cast then develops strange superpowers (ex: Can instantly order stuff from Amazon), which handles some of their bare necessities in the world.

But the story at its core is really psychological, kind of like Lord of the Flies. The school kids start to follow the former student council president (who seems mad for power), who is spreading false rumors about other kids and such. The main character has been a mostly silent observer so far, though the female lead has been doing a lot to try to explore this new world / the weird dimensions / etc. to find a way to home/Earth again.

The rules of the world are completely bonkers, in a fun and creative way. They accentuate the story and lead to more philosophical questions about the condition of man, group dynamics, and power structures. Hopefully the show continues to be as smart as it has been, but this is a very strong recommend from me already.
 
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