Can I get thoughts on this build before purchasing? RTX 4090 | i9 13900KS

[Vayra86]

Considering what you are spending on this build I would get a much better display I have that monitor it's servicable but there are tons of superior options at a min I would look at a decent 1440p 240hz or 4k144hz monitor



I'd also if able wait for 7000X3d reviews even if you are able to overclock a KS that's already at it's thermal limits with a 420mm aio I doubt it will beat the X3d chips in gaming.

This, you might need to make up your mind whether your primary use case is overclocking or gaming. If the latter, wait on 7000X3D. Its going to be a very interesting chip.

Got the 13900KF, running at 6.2GHz, save yourself a good chunk of money and skip the KS version, totally not worth it.

Also this. The main issue here is thermals, with accompanying noise/quality of life issues when using the system.

Overall, if you're building this type of system with the KS and a 4090 its going to be a LOT of heat to move around. A big part of overclocking these days is going heavy into the realm of inefficiency. That goes for both the 4090 and the KS. Even at stock, mind. I think the more interesting route with those parts is to see how far they actually undervolt and still perform near max.

I say this mostly to temper expectations. Know what you're getting into

 

[AnotherReader]

I won't rehash the excellent points raised by the other posters, but your choice of case fans and case caught my eye. The SP140 is not a good case fan; in fact, it isn't even a good radiator fan. You would be better served by airflow fans for the case. Even in Corsair's range, the ML series of fans are superior to the ones that you have chosen. Also, the 7000D is the same case but with better airflow.

 

[Chrispy_]

The best analogy I see to this thread is someone who just passed their driving test and has the budget to buy a fast car.

Yes, you can jump straight into a Ferrari and enjoy the Ferrari, but if you want to drive fast instead of pose around on the streets, you should definitely get the hang of driving fast in something more controllable. You only improve your driving skills at the limits of the car, and in a Ferrari, 'beyond the limits' is potentially fatal and always crazy expensive. As you get faster, you might find that you prefer off-road racing more than street/track and the Ferrari was the wrong choice.

Everyone who has just passed their test should get an ordinary, affordable car and learn the principles of stuff you don't get taught for the driving test; Weight transfer, left-foot braking, opposite lock etc. Once you have mastered that you'll be ready for something faster - Maybe a Ferrari, but also by that point you'll know what you want.

You don't go from learning to overclock a system to expert overclocker in one system. You need several, because it's all about experience and the more systems you use the better you'll get. The one thing that's certain is that companies will take your money for top-tier OC-centric products without a second thought - whether you have the experience to extract the performance from them or not.

 

[claes]

To be blunt, you aren’t going to overclock the 13900ks without exotic cooling. Heck, you aren’t even going to reach its advertised boost speed of 6ghz on all cores without high-end, custom water.

More, if you do get into LN2 or chillers or whatever, you aren’t going to get too far past 6ghz without disabling the e cores.

It’s a special edition for a reason. It’s designed for extreme overclockers who actually get paid to overclock things and, I guess, people with too much money who like to play with liquid nitrogen.

Here are some examples:

Superior 420mm AIO with thermal grizzly contact frame — doesn’t hit 6ghz

Intel Core i9-13900KS Review: Hitting 6 GHz

The new Core i9-13900KS is very much like the 12900KS and 9900KS before it -- this is a mildly overclocked 'special edition' CPU, binned silicon meant to...

www.techspot.com

Custom loop with 280, doesn’t reach 6ghz

Intel Core i9-13900KS 6GHz CPU Benchmarks: Breaking Records

Intel officially launched the 6GHz Core i9-13900KS today and we've got the first batch of independent benchmarks to share.

hothardware.com

Hwbot cinebench 23 with e cores disabled on custom water, the highest clock is the advertised 6ghz, next is 5.9

Cinebench - R23 Multi Core with BenchMate overclocking records @ HWBOT

Overclocking records

hwbot.org

TPU’s 13900k review with a superior 420 AIO — no advertised clock speeds and no overclocking headroom (it actually performs worse than stock)

Intel Core i9-13900K Review - Power-Hungry Beast

With the Core i9-13900K, Intel delivers impressive performance. Our in-depth review confirms: Raptor Lake is the world's fastest CPU for gaming. Even in applications the processor is able to match AMD's Zen 4 Ryzen 9 7950X flagship. If only power consumption wasn't so high...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Blaeza]

You've got the best of the best, so you may as well wait for the 4090 Ti. Why go all out when you can't yet?

 

[hakunamatata]

You've got the best of the best, so you may as well wait for the 4090 Ti. Why go all out when you can't yet?

Or might as well wait to the 5090, lolol .. This will always keep going on thou, might as well wait forever hahahaha!
I was thinking honestly, tooo far thou, at least mid-year .. I don't mind selling the 4090 later to get the TI if it's going to be a major difference. For now thou, I'm looking at just the 4090.

I won't rehash the excellent points raised by the other posters, but your choice of case fans and case caught my eye. The SP140 is not a good case fan; in fact, it isn't even a good radiator fan. You would be better served by airflow fans for the case. Even in Corsair's range, the ML series of fans are superior to the ones that you have chosen. Also, the 7000D is the same case but with better airflow.

IDK mate, it seems plenty to me very well to me! Do you have other case suggestions ?? I was gonna pick CoolerMaster HAF 700 EVO but heard its RGB controller & software suck big time. Beyond those 2, I don't what else you have in mind ?????

To be blunt, you aren’t going to overclock the 13900ks without exotic cooling. Heck, you aren’t even going to reach its advertised boost speed of 6ghz on all cores without high-end, custom water.

More, if you do get into LN2 or chillers or whatever, you aren’t going to get too far past 6ghz without disabling the e cores.

It’s a special edition for a reason. It’s designed for extreme overclockers who actually get paid to overclock things and, I guess, people with too much money who like to play with liquid nitrogen.

Here are some examples:

Superior 420mm AIO with thermal grizzly contact frame — doesn’t hit 6ghz

Intel Core i9-13900KS Review: Hitting 6 GHz

The new Core i9-13900KS is very much like the 12900KS and 9900KS before it -- this is a mildly overclocked 'special edition' CPU, binned silicon meant to...

www.techspot.com

Custom loop with 280, doesn’t reach 6ghz

Intel Core i9-13900KS 6GHz CPU Benchmarks: Breaking Records

Intel officially launched the 6GHz Core i9-13900KS today and we've got the first batch of independent benchmarks to share.

hothardware.com

Hwbot cinebench 23 with e cores disabled on custom water, the highest clock is the advertised 6ghz, next is 5.9

Cinebench - R23 Multi Core with BenchMate overclocking records @ HWBOT

Overclocking records

hwbot.org

TPU’s 13900k review with a superior 420 AIO — no advertised clock speeds and no overclocking headroom (it actually performs worse than stock)

Intel Core i9-13900K Review - Power-Hungry Beast

With the Core i9-13900K, Intel delivers impressive performance. Our in-depth review confirms: Raptor Lake is the world's fastest CPU for gaming. Even in applications the processor is able to match AMD's Zen 4 Ryzen 9 7950X flagship. If only power consumption wasn't so high...

www.techpowerup.com

I mean I can ask my PC builders to install me a custom water loop, it's only $10 more than the CORSAIR iCUE H170i ELITE 420mm on their website. However, I'm always worried about water leaking in PC, and the fact that it does require constant maintenance, changing liquid, etc ... How hard is it to change the liquid on my own going forward?

 

[A Computer Guy]

I mean I can ask my PC builders to install me a custom water loop, it's only $10 more than the CORSAIR iCUE H170i ELITE 420mm on their website.

( expression of total shock )

 

[Lei]

• With the H170i ELITE with LCD, the fans max RPM is 1600. Where as the non LCD version fans go up to 2000RPM. Is this a big factor to consider for cooling?

I think 2000rpm will be too loud.

 

[hakunamatata]

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( expression of total shock )

Why is you shocked, go here: https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Creator-PC-Ultimate , scroll down to the COOLING section take a look at the CORSAIR iCUE H170i ELITE 420mm and look above it for the water custom loops, see the price differences. However, I might just get the 13900KS with a regural AIO and if overclocking is going to give me a very high temps, then still at the end of the day I got the latest tech in my build.

I think 2000rpm will be too loud.

Ok , too loud.

 

[Lei]

@MoeNAGY
for SSD, there are some PCIe4 with lower speeds, but double the endurance.
Such as Corsair MP600 or Aorus gen4 or MSI Spatium M470 with 1400~1600 tbw

I'm not suggesting, just informing. they probably load your games 0.5 seconds slower, but give you 1000 more tb endurance.

 

[hakunamatata]

@MoeNAGY
for SSD, there are some PCIe4 with lower speeds, but double the endurance.
Such as Corsair MP600 or Aorus gen4 or MSI Spatium M470 with 1400~1600 tbw

I'm not suggesting, just informing. they probably load your games 0.5 seconds slower, but give you 1000 more tb endurance.

Great, thanks Lei!

 

[A Computer Guy]

Why is you shocked

Only $10 upcharge for custom water cooling setup. Makes me think the CORSAIR iCUE H170i ELITE 420mm is overpriced or they sourced some cheap parts. Then again Cyberpower can buy stuff in bulk so there is that. Too bad they dont give more detailed info. Doesn't seem like they will give you a drain valve included. I wonder how they ship that.

 

[Lei]

Then again Cyberpower can buy stuff in bulk so there is that.

This part reminded me of Proraso buying sandalwood in bulks.

 

[hakunamatata]

lololol, I swear I looked all over online trying to find which would be the best PC builders. Until today, I can not find better than CyberpowerPC, despite all the negative reviews they got. This will be my 4th build with them. Never disappointed me!

 

[evernessince]

Or might as well wait to the 5090, lolol .. This will always keep going on thou, might as well wait forever hahahaha!
I was thinking honestly, tooo far thou, at least mid-year .. I don't mind selling the 4090 later to get the TI if it's going to be a major difference. For now thou, I'm looking at just the 4090.

You are safe with the 4090. The full AD102 die only has 12.5% more shading units so there's not much more performance a theoretical 4090 Ti could give.

 

[A Computer Guy]

lololol, I swear I looked all over online trying to find which would be the best PC builders. Until today, I can not find better than CyberpowerPC, despite all the negative reviews they got. This will be my 4th build with them. Never disappointed me!

Dell just popped into my head just now . Forgive me.

 

[hakunamatata]

Dell just popped into my head just now . Forgive me.

forgiven .. .. don't make fun of my build bro .. lol

 

[ir_cow]

@MoeNAGY Cyberpower isn't selling ram over 6000 speed. were you just going to replace whatever they sent with your own?

OMG. $5000 for "okay parts". Geez I think other companies are better deals.

 

[hakunamatata]

@MoeNAGY Cyberpower isn't selling ram over 6000 speed. were you just going to replace whatever they sent with your own?

OMG. $5000 for "okay parts". Geez I think other companies are better deals.

LMFAOOO you caught me, yes that's exactly what I was going to do !!! hahahahahaha
Tell me what companies ?

 

[claes]

I mean I can ask my PC builders to install me a custom water loop, it's only $10 more than the CORSAIR iCUE H170i ELITE 420mm on their website. However, I'm always worried about water leaking in PC, and the fact that it does require constant maintenance, changing liquid, etc ... How hard is it to change the liquid on my own going forward?

You’ll need a bigger radiator than any of them provide and, again, that’ll barely get you to advertised boost speeds. There’s only one user on hwbot with a custom loop who is able to achieve an overclock that maintains the stock boost speeds. Anyone who exceeds that is running exotic cooling.

IMO, like @Chrispy_ said, if you aren’t ready to build your own, play with ram timings, and deal with basic maintenance, you absolutely aren’t ready to overclock a special overclockers edition of the hottest chip we’ve ever seen.

I’d suggest you read reviews of actual use cases you might actually encounter. What games do you play, and at what resolution? AFAICT, you’re just throwing money away. I’m a few years most of these components won’t even be halo products any longer and will be slower than components a tier below them. Why spend all that money? More, you’ll have to learn how to physically replace with them the latest and greatest if you want to stay on trend (or buy a whole system next year). Why not just build your own now, learn some new things and, armed with new knowledge, overclock things you can actually overclock?

 

[hakunamatata]

You’ll need a bigger radiator than any of them provide and, again, that’ll barely get you to advertised boost speeds. There’s only one user on hwbot with a custom loop who is able to achieve an overclock that maintains the stock boost speeds. Anyone who exceeds that is running exotic cooling.

IMO, like @Chrispy_ said, if you aren’t ready to build your own, play with ram timings, and deal with basic maintenance, you absolutely aren’t ready to overclock a special overclockers edition of the hottest chip we’ve ever seen.

I’d suggest you read reviews of actual use cases you might actually encounter. What games do you play, and at what resolution? AFAICT, you’re just throwing money away. I’m a few years most of these components won’t even be halo products any longer and will be slower than components a tier below them. Why spend all that money? More, you’ll have to learn how to physically replace with them the latest and greatest if you want to stay on trend (or buy a whole system next year). Why not just build your own now, learn some new things and, armed with new knowledge, overclock things you can actually overclock?

too many assumptions your making of me here kid lol .. just becuase I don't know much about RAM, doesn't mean I can't build my own PC. I replaced my whole PSU / Motherboard and almost every component you can think of. So, yes 100% when it's time to upgrade, I'll be doing it all myself ... I'm just not with the custom water cooling for other reasons, and I can't get to OC the 13900KS, simply I won't, but I'll still have the latest peice of tech on the market, and I'll keep upgrading to the latest as needed!

 

[ir_cow]

Just so your are aware, if you swap parts (like the ram), no system integrator is going to help troubleshoot for you.

 

[hakunamatata]

Just so your are aware, if you swap parts (like the ram), no system integrator is going to help troubleshoot for you.

OMG seriously ? Really, I really don't see why you guys have the impression that I can't swap and troubleshoot parts correctly!

 

[mama]

I can confirm from first hand experience the Cooler Master software (Masterplus) is not very stable and buggy. The LCD screen is particularly problematic.

 

[hakunamatata]

I can confirm from first hand experience the Cooler Master software (Masterplus) is not very stable and buggy. The LCD screen is particularly problematic.

For sure ..