AMD Ryzen 7000X3D Series Prices Revealed, Available Feb 28

[Dirt Chip]

Not necessarily - in multicore productivity there's always a CCD with higher and CCD with lower priority and frequency, and in reality one CCD trails quite a lot behind the better one. If Windows could manage to prioritize x3D cores for games and higher boosting cores for productivity, it could theoretically be as fast as a normal non 3D chip in worst case. But I can't see that happening with normal scheduling - unless we'll be getting a list of applications with correct priorities for each one - kind of like Nvidia GeForce Experience for AMD CPU, with per application and game optimizations.

Even if prioritized to perfection, the 3dv CCD will see much lower speed than the secondary CCD on the regular CPU. Hance the much lower TDP (about 30% less).
To compensate on the 3dv CCD lower speed the other CCD will need to go to and above 6GHz.

Also, I don't see prioritizing done 100% or even 95% optimal in the first year from lunch.
AMD will need to work closely with Microsoft on that.

 

[Tomorrow]

also, a shame AMD convinced everyone that freesync was superior to actual g-sync modules. the actual g-sync modules were superior to Nvidia's implementation. had to pay extra for it, but yeah a shame that AMD won that battle, i'd rather have a sync range of 1-165 vs 48-165 which is all AMD can do without the gsync module. Nvidia provides superior products, and always has, shame the industry allowed itself to be won over by AMD.

AMD did not convince everyone. They merely provided an alternative that became more popular because it was cheaper, multi-vendor and open-source.
Besides what use is it to anyone if there is no tearing at 1Hz?

Literally none. You cant even buy LCD's that are less than 30Hz anymore with 99% being 60Hz or more. Also FreeSync does have LFC - Low Framerate Compensation. LFC helps ensure that when the framerate of a game is running below the minimum supported refresh rate of a display, the frames are displayed multiple times so the framerate remains in the supported refresh rate of the display and smooth gameplay is maintained.

These days the G-Sync module only offers a little better HDR tonemapping and variable overdrive (the latter does not even matter on OLED's). Both of these can be done on regular scaler if the manufacturer invests some time to make proper firmware. The downsides however are annoying with the 100-200 dollar extra price being just the start. Also the need for active cooling, extra power draw, input lag increase and outdated port selection make it a nuisance. That god it's essentially dead.

 

[Space Lynx]

AMD did not convince everyone. They merely provided an alternative that became more popular because it was cheaper, multi-vendor and open-source.
Besides what use is it to anyone if there is no tearing at 1Hz?

Literally none. You cant even buy LCD's that are less than 30Hz anymore with 99% being 60Hz or more. Also FreeSync does have LFC - Low Framerate Compensation. LFC helps ensure that when the framerate of a game is running below the minimum supported refresh rate of a display, the frames are displayed multiple times so the framerate remains in the supported refresh rate of the display and smooth gameplay is maintained.

These days the G-Sync module only offers a little better HDR tonemapping and variable overdrive (the latter does not even matter on OLED's). Both of these can be done on regular scaler if the manufacturer invests some time to make proper firmware. The downsides however are annoying with the 100-200 dollar extra price being just the start. Also the need for active cooling, extra power draw, input lag increase and outdated port selection make it a nuisance. That god it's essentially dead.

a lot of older games were capped to 30 fps, and because of old optimization and stuff will still stutter from time to time, gsync made these games bearable at least.

 

[Tomorrow]

a lot of older games were capped to 30 fps, and because of old optimization and stuff will still stutter from time to time, gsync made these games bearable at least.

I refuse to play these games because 30fps makes my head hurt. And i do have a monitor that has the first generation G-Sync module inside (ASUS PG279Q).
Arbitrary framecaps on any game are just stupid and end up screwing over future players.

 

[Space Lynx]

I refuse to play these games because 30fps makes my head hurt. And i do have a monitor that has the first generation G-Sync module inside (ASUS PG279Q).
Arbitrary framecaps on any game are just stupid and end up screwing over future players.

this is fair, but sometimes I miss Yuna and Tidus

 

[TumbleGeorge]

other CCD will need to go to and above 6GHz.

How to be synchronised chiplets for use ordinary shared L3 cache if difference of frequency is so big?

 

[btk2k2]

this is fair, but sometimes I miss Yuna and Tidus

If you want to play FFX at > 30 FPS can't you just do it via emulation instead of the PC port? Or maybe us a TV that has motion interpolation, I doubt the added latency even matters for FFX.

 

[Broken Processor]

I skipped the 5800x3d because I figured no point upgrading my 5600x on an EOL platform but think I'll keep it for longer the prices are to high for motherboards with features I want.

The CPU's are expensive as well but was expecting that.
Granted if the 7000x3d are anything like the 5800x3d cheap memory will lower cost but not enough to cover the massive motherboard price bloat I'll see what 2024 offer's.

 

[Bwaze]

Even if prioritized to perfection, the 3dv CCD will see much lower speed than the secondary CCD on the regular CPU. Hance the much lower TDP (about 30% less).
To compensate on the 3dv CCD lower speed the other CCD will need to go to and above 6GHz.

Also, I don't see prioritizing done 100% or even 95% optimal in the first year from lunch.
AMD will need to work closely with Microsoft on that.

Yeah, I also can't see Microsoft doing this kind of per-app prioritizing, it would have to be done by optimization list.

About speed of 3D CCD holding back the high frequency CCD - we'll see. Clock speeds of modern processors are complicated - AMD has already on their flagships CCD with faster and CCD with slower cores - just as Intel has P (big) and E (little) cores. It's not as extreme with AMD, but when you load the CPU with enough threads, it also lowers the frequency to lower the power draw and lower the thermal load. So by time you get to utilize the second CCD, the frequency is already as low as the second CCD could go.

But in AMD such differences were quite small, 5950x that could boost to roughly 5 GHz in single thread was down to 4.6 GHz at 16 threads, and 4.4 GHz at 32 threads (at simple, non SSE or AVX loads).

Ryzen 7950 alrady sees a different drop, with a more pronounced step from 5.8 GHz in one thread to 5.4 at 16 threads to 5.3 GHz at 32 threads.

So if the CCD with 3D cache will max out at 5 GHz, there will indeed be a bigger step from 16 threads on.

 

[Dirt Chip]

How to be synchronised chiplets for use ordinary shared L3 cache if difference of frequency is so big?

I don`t know if such synchronization is an issue at all and anyway, ZEN4 doesn't do 6GHz in day-to-day condition.
The point is that the 3dה CPU`s will probably leg behind it`s vanilla brothers just as 5800x3d dose vs. 5800x, except for some games, hence it is not "king of cpu, one to rull them all" as some might think.
It also cost much more so it is good mostly for those who want`s the bleeding edge of gaming pref when matched with 4090/ti.
It is a wonderful option to have and great tech invention but other than that I can`t see it jump-start ZEN4 life.

Yeah, I also can't see Microsoft doing this kind of per-app prioritizing, it would have to be done by optimization list.

About speed of 3D CCD holding back the high frequency CCD - we'll see. Clock speeds of modern processors are complicated - AMD has already on their flagships CCD with faster and CCD with slower cores - just as Intel has P (big) and E (little) cores. It's not as extreme with AMD, but when you load the CPU with enough threads, it also lowers the frequency to lower the power draw and lower the thermal load. So by time you get to utilize the second CCD, the frequency is already as low as the second CCD could go.

But in AMD such differences were quite small, 5950x that could boost to roughly 5 GHz in single thread was down to 4.6 GHz at 16 threads, and 4.4 GHz at 32 threads (at simple, non SSE or AVX loads).


Ryzen 7950 alrady sees a different drop, with a more pronounced step from 5.8 GHz in one thread to 5.4 at 16 threads to 5.3 GHz at 32 threads.



So if the CCD with 3D cache will max out at 5 GHz, there will indeed be a bigger step from 16 threads on.

Yep, It all depend on the max sustainable speed of the 3D CCD and how far off it from the 'norma' CCD.
Testing those will sure be a lot of fun

 

[Redwoodz]

Wait for reviews. I have a feeling the 7900x3d is actually going to be the big winner in benchmarks. I won't be spending this kind of money on a CPU though, you are better off with a 13400f at $220 and spending the extra $400 on GPU budget imo. That is assuming AMD's claims are like 20% increases over 5800x3d in a handful of games, and lets face it, these chips will be much much cheaper on Black Friday sales when they inevitably don't sale, the supply chain is saturated, inflation is at an all time high... its a double whammy... prices will come down, they just have to start off high for stock reasons.



good question here... hmm..

13400F? You are comparing to a 7900X3D? Who is going to upgrade to 13400f and why?
There is no supply chain for 7xxx3D parts, not even available yet.
Black Friday is 10 months away.
You want to bet on whether they sell or not or you just talking trash?
What is your purpose here?

Yeah one has to wonder what's going on with Su. She boasted to invested she's deliberately choking supply of RDNA3 to keep prices high, but gladly slashes Zen 4 prices. Her gpu market is dire comapred to Nvidia's and yet she doesn't even seem to give a toss. I reckon RDNA4 will be their last hoorah before throwing in the towel.

Nvidia does not have the share they have been misleading you to believe. They count all of their data center gpu's as add-on boards, where as AMD does not inc anything but consumer gpu's.

You are quite delusional if you think Su is going anywhere.

 

[ixi]

Just out of curiosity, what should they be priced at and why?

Well, if you are interested in product which needs 280mm aio / alternative air cooler and costs almost 500 + decent mobo it is 200-300e. Depends on your budget. Well, onpy mobo - cpu = 700e , no thank you.

I care about cpu's from 50-250e. It is good that performance gains are increased, but I do not agree at the prices which intel and amd sells cpu's.

3d should at the current cpu prices and models withouth 3d 50 up to 100 less. Just my opinion.

 

[dont whant to set it"']

Looking forward to Wizz review on these. Especially the 7800X3D in April.

With an appropriate motherboard , it ca be simulated from the 7950x3d by disabling the non 3dvcache chiplet. The catch is , depending on the clock differences if any , it might be a "7800XT3d".

 

[Yraggul666]

Pricing is ok-ish at first glance but that's understandable seeing how everything is more expensive these days and inflation is skyrocketing; on the other hand those prices will mean absolutely zilch in Europe after reseller markup and VAT.
People can't justify spending a crapload of money on pc parts, they have other priorities atm.
As for me, i'm eagerly awaiting my next upgrade: ZEN6 or maybe ZEN7...probably ZEN8.
Meanwhile i'm gaming and throughly enjoying both competitors losing tons and tons of money because of the pricing and fighting hard for every customer and every frame per second.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

Europe after reseller markup and VAT.

Imagine what it's like for the Hungarians, where VAT alone is a whopping 27%, and VAT isn't the only reason the price is different compared to the US. The EU charges various and not small border fees when importing goods that are produced outside the EU. Computer hardware may also be subject to reduced border/customs fees, or even some components may be exempt from payment, but this may not be the case.

 

[Lucas_]

now we only need to see if it worked like 5000 Series

 

[pavle]

Do you have a source for that claim? Guessing isn't good enough of a source.

Well not really.
However you have to admit, it does feel unbalanced and when I first saw, oh one chiplet having the extra cache and one not, that spells nothing but problems if you don't have a specific way to address that chiplet. Maybe at AMD they have that all figured out and it's a smashing success as have been the normal 1 chiplet 1 extra cache processors up till now. E.g. 5800X3D.

 

[medi01]

RIP ;D. Can't wait to see AMD and intel market shares to go down because of overpriced products.

3D 7xxxx chips are guaranteed buys for high end gamers.

 

[Bwaze]

3D 7xxxx chips are guaranteed buys for high end gamers.

High end gamers that aren't buying Nvidia RTX 40X0 cards?

 

[Makaveli]

i'm looking forward to these dropping because I want to see a price drop on the 5800X3D which goes for $439.00 CAD currently. I haven't jumped on it because i'm not sure the gains I will see at 3440x1440 @144hz with a 6800XT but a nice big price drop may entice me to pick it up to check it out and if I don't find the gains are enough over my PBO tuned 5800X I can resell it

 

[Radxge]

i'm looking forward to these dropping because I want to see a price drop on the 5800X3D which goes for $439.00 CAD currently. I haven't jumped on it because i'm not sure the gains I will see at 3440x1440 @144hz with a 6800XT but a nice big price drop may entice me to pick it up to check it out and if I don't find the gains are enough over my PBO tuned 5800X I can resell it

5800X3D provides 6.8% average gain at 4K with a 4090, ignoring monitor's frequency.
So likely limited impact with a 6800XT at 144hz

RTX 4090 & 53 Games: Ryzen 7 5800X vs Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review

How much performance can you gain with Ryzen 7 5800X3D over the non-3DV Cache Ryzen 7 5800X when using the mighty GeForce RTX 4090? Our review has the answer, we test 53 games at three resolutions.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Makaveli]

5800X3D provides 6.8% average gain at 4K with a 4090, ignoring monitor's frequency.
So likely limited impact with a 6800XT at 144hz

RTX 4090 & 53 Games: Ryzen 7 5800X vs Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review

How much performance can you gain with Ryzen 7 5800X3D over the non-3DV Cache Ryzen 7 5800X when using the mighty GeForce RTX 4090? Our review has the answer, we test 53 games at three resolutions.

www.techpowerup.com

1440 UW is alot less pixels than 4k so that gain should be bigger than 6.8% i'm thinking close to 10% as that review shows regular 1440p got a 15% improvement.

So the price will have to be right for me to grab it as the increase doesn't seem that large.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

Who will ask Wizz for it's new lab stories and whether he is busy with something that he cannot yet give details about.

 

[Fierce Guppy]

RIP ;D. Can't wait to see AMD and intel market shares to go down because of overpriced products.

They're not overpriced imo. The New Zealand price for most PC components is roughly double the US price. I bought an i7-5960X-E Nov '14 for $1450(NZD), so the 7950X3D which will have vastly better performance at around $1400(NZD) is fine by me. It's how capitalism works when unencumbered by crises and fiscal recklessness. The prices are very reasonable given the economic situations around the world.

 

[kapone32]

being dumb and not caring about budget gamers. they lost their way.

also, a shame AMD convinced everyone that freesync was superior to actual g-sync modules. the actual g-sync modules were superior to Nvidia's implementation. had to pay extra for it, but yeah a shame that AMD won that battle, i'd rather have a sync range of 1-165 vs 48-165 which is all AMD can do without the gsync module. Nvidia provides superior products, and always has, shame the industry allowed itself to be won over by AMD.

What?