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Intel Talks "Battlemage" Xe2-LPG and Xe2-HPG Graphics Architectures

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Intel in an interview with Hardwareluxx shed more light on its second generation Xe graphics architecture, codenamed "Battlemage." There will be two key variants of "Battlemage,"—Xe2-LPG and Xe2-HPG. The Xe2-LPG (low-power graphics) architecture is a slimmed-down derivative of "Battlemage" that's optimized for low-power. It is meant for iGPUs (integrated graphics), particularly upcoming "disaggregated" Intel Core processors in which the iGPU exists on Graphics Tiles (chiplets). The iGPU powering the upcoming Core "Meteor Lake" processor is rumored to meet the full DirectX 12 Ultimate feature-set (something Xe-LP doesn't), and so it's likely that Xe2-LPG is getting its first outing with that processor. The Xe2-HPG (high performance graphics) architecture is designed squarely for discrete GPUs—either desktop graphics cards, or mobile discrete GPUs hardwired into laptops.

In the interview, Intel talked about how its first-generation Xe graphics IP had at least four separate product verticals based on the scalability of the product, and the specific application (Xe-LP for iGPUs and tiny dGPUs, Xe-HPG for client- and pro-vis discrete GPUs, Xe-HPC for scalar compute processors, and Xe-HP for data-center graphics). The company eventually axed Xe-HP as it felt the Xe-HPG and Xe-HPC architectures adequately addressed this segment. With AXG (accelerated compute group) being split up between the CCG (client computing group) and DCG (data-center group); Xe2-LPG and Xe2-HPG will be developed primarily under CCG, with a client and pro-visualization focus; while Xe-HPC will be developed as a scalar-compute architecture by DCG, which effectively leaves the Intel Arc Graphics team with just two verticals—to deliver a feature-rich iGPU for its next-generation Core processors, and a performance discrete GPU lineup so it can eat away market-share from NVIDIA and AMD—hopefully with better time-to-market.



Had everything gone to plan, particularly cost-effective availability of a 7 nm-class foundry node, "Battlemage" was supposed to take off in 2022. Instead, the the group crawled with a first-gen "Alchemist" launch in 2022, by which time NVIDIA and AMD had advanced their architectures (to "Ampere" and RDNA2, respectively). "Now as we go forward in our roadmap, we realized this is a very, very expensive - the QA process and the segmentation. The Thinking was we needed to differentiate our IP and customize it per each segment," said Tom Peterson, an Intel Fellow from the former AXG. "[…] We are going to just have one thing and it goes everywhere unmodified. That's more the strategy we are looking at going forward. And that's because, that's really the only way to get IP reused to really work," he added.

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That roadmap. Lol, a few X's and a few numbers plus a line. At least they're honest: "Xe is going someplace in the future', and we'll sell it as improvements, the actual percentages don't matter!"

Makes you wonder when they let Xe go to 11 now... chart only reaches up to ten.
 

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Don't know who in Intel invent LPG nape but he should be sacked immediately ‍♀️ or advertise it like this:

If you wanna put your hands on New LPG you have to go to BP
 
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How do I interpret this slide? It says "performance is exponential", but shows a graph of 2x, 4x, 6x and 8x performance. Doesn't the term "exponential" mean 2x, 4x, 8x and 16x? :wtf:
 
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How do I interpret this slide? It says "performance is exponential", but shows a graph of 2x, 4x, 6x and 8x performance. Doesn't the term "exponential" mean 2x, 4x, 8x and 16x? :wtf:
The slide is only showing exponents, but no base. It means x², x⁴, x⁶ and x⁸, where x² is presumably some iGPU released in 2020, and x⁶ is presumably Alchemist released in 2022. Which would then allow the assumption that Battlemage will be 64/36=1.77 times faster.
 
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The slide is only showing exponents, but no base. It means x², x⁴, x⁶ and x⁸, where x² is presumably some iGPU released in 2020, and x⁶ is presumably Alchemist released in 2022. Which would then allow the assumption that Battlemage will be 64/36=1.77 times faster.
Base or no base, "exponential" is not what the diagram shows. What you see in the diagram is called "linear". Whoever put that slide together should be fired.
 
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That chart with unlabeled axis is so funny.

"So how fast will Xe2 be ?"

Intel : Oh, I don't know, about 7-8.

"7-8 what ?"

Intel : Yes
 
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That chart with unlabeled axis is so funny.

"So how fast will Xe2 be ?"

Intel : "Oh, I don't know, about 7-8."

"7-8 what ?"

Intel : "Yes"
It will be exponentially faster, beautifully shown by the unlabelled linear graph.
 
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It will be exponentially faster, beautifully shown by the unlabelled linear graph.

Not to mention the X^2, X^4, etc which are polynomials not exponential.
 
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Add +2 years to each of Intel's release dates, and we'll probably have a more accurate picture of when they're really coming out. Which doesn't bode well given the rise in competitive tempo from both AMD and NVIDIA.
 
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You guys are thinking harder about this than anyone in the marketing department did :D

It's cool that they show ambition and are hard at work designing products to be more competitive, but any number attached this early on is nothing more than fantasy
 
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I hope the A380 gets a proper battlemage successor, and more importantly that it is widely available in LP format.

Nvidia and AMD have given up on low profile cards altogether and I dont want to have to fully replace my media PC with a far too large box.
 
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You guys are thinking harder about this than anyone in the marketing department did :D

It's cool that they show ambition and are hard at work designing products to be more competitive, but any number attached this early on is nothing more than fantasy
... an "exponential" fantasy, one might add. :D

I hope the A380 gets a proper battlemage successor, and more importantly that it is widely available in LP format.

Nvidia and AMD have given up on low profile cards altogether and I dont want to have to fully replace my media PC with a far too large box.
RX 6400?
 
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rx 6400 can go DIAF. It loses to the 4 year old 1650, a card that was already overpriced at $159 4 years ago. For AMD to charge $170 for a card that is slower, utterly busted on PCIe 3.0 systems, with a gimped 4GB 64 bit bus and gimped media coder support? *hurls*.

I I have to pay that much, I'd buy the vastly superior A2000 LP off of ebay. 4GB of VRAM just isnt enough for certain titles anymore, I wont go below 6GB. The A380 was a promising first start but didnt have the performance to justify an upgrade (and 0 LP availability in the US).
 
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I like how Intel talks about themselves in the third person and their product as if it were really real and people actually bought it. I suppose they are going the fake it till I make it route.
 
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rx 6400 can go DIAF. It loses to the 4 year old 1650, a card that was already overpriced at $159 4 years ago. For AMD to charge $170 for a card that is slower, utterly busted on PCIe 3.0 systems, with a gimped 4GB 64 bit bus and gimped media coder support? *hurls*.

I I have to pay that much, I'd buy the vastly superior A2000 LP off of ebay. 4GB of VRAM just isnt enough for certain titles anymore, I wont go below 6GB. The A380 was a promising first start but didnt have the performance to justify an upgrade (and 0 LP availability in the US).
i hope nv will finally deign to grace us w/ the AD2000 in 2024.
we'll probs never see a lp/75w geforce ever again. sigh.
 
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That chart with unlabeled axis is so funny.

"So how fast will Xe2 be ?"

Intel : Oh, I don't know, about 7-8.

"7-8 what ?"

Intel : Yes
That's just how Intel marketing works, they have been doing stuff like this with their cpu's for decades. They are not meant to fool you who knows a bit about hardware, they are meant for the people who do not care.
 
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I don't wanna be "that guy" -- but I don't think Intel understand what "exponential" means. Look closely at that graph.
Whose their Chief of misleading infographics again?
 
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That chart with unlabeled axis is so funny.

"So how fast will Xe2 be ?"

Intel : Oh, I don't know, about 7-8.

"7-8 what ?"

Intel : Yes
And Raja:

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Base or no base, "exponential" is not what the diagram shows. What you see in the diagram is called "linear". Whoever put that slide together should be fired.
It's exponential. The graph is derivative of an exponential function it's not a linear growth. Who else who doesn't understand how math works want to out themselves?
 
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I want to see better iGPU performance
 
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It's exponential. The graph is derivative of an exponential function it's not a linear growth. Who else who doesn't understand how math works want to out themselves?
Derivative of an exponential function... where does it say that? That's why those exponential numbers are on the Y axis I'm sure, right? To underline the fact that they went from 2, to 4, to 6, to 8. Exponential linearity :rockout:. Maybe they'll tear a hole in space time next slide.

Let's see that exponential growth in 2023, shall we :) I truly hope you're right.
 
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Derivative of an exponential function... where does it say that? That's why those exponential numbers are on the Y axis I'm sure, right? To underline the fact that they went from 2, to 4, to 6, to 8. Exponential linearity :rockout:. Maybe they'll tear a hole in space time next slide.

Let's see that exponential growth in 2023, shall we :) I truly hope you're right.
If you take the derivative of a curve containing points y² y⁴ y⁶ y⁸ it becomes 2, 4, 6, 8. Now before ppl chime in and say that's linear, it's the same line just being looked at from a different angle (perspective). Who said that the base number was significant in the first place and not a tiny number? Like 2 or ½?
 
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