Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[Space Lynx]

Why does my mobo have AMD chipset drivers newer than what AMD's official website offers? same with the on-board VGA drivers.... but when I go to AMD official website, the drivers are still from December 8th... I am very confused.

february 13th released on the mobo website...

PRO B550-VC

Best AMD AM4 B550 ATX motherboard, lightning PCIe 4.0, lightning M.2, Extended heatsink, USB 3.2 Gen 2, M.2 heatsink, powerful overclocking, MSI PRO

www.msi.com

 

[HD64G]

The 5000 series CPUs do not like low voltage. What you are doing worked on 3000 and below but not for this series.

My 76W 5600 non-X with CO -20-25 needs 1,18V maximum while clocking +150MHz with the clock boost feature. So, why did you write that without having tested those CPUs properly and having proofs about?

 

[trparky]

In the time that I've had this build I've found that the 7700X runs hot.

 

[Nordic]

Why does my mobo have AMD chipset drivers newer than what AMD's official website offers? same with the on-board VGA drivers.... but when I go to AMD official website, the drivers are still from December 8th... I am very confused.

PRO B550-VC

Best AMD AM4 B550 ATX motherboard, lightning PCIe 4.0, lightning M.2, Extended heatsink, USB 3.2 Gen 2, M.2 heatsink, powerful overclocking, MSI PRO

www.msi.com

I assumed that the same build was posted later on the mobo site but the build number is higher too. We should see something soon on amd's website probably

 

[Space Lynx]

I assumed that the same build was posted later on the mobo site but the build number is higher too. We should see something soon on amd's website probably

MSI jumping the gun, LMAO

 

[trparky]

MSI jumping the gun, LMAO

Interesting. I wonder what they (AMD, that is) fixed.

 

[3x0]

Why does my mobo have AMD chipset drivers newer than what AMD's official website offers? same with the on-board VGA drivers.... but when I go to AMD official website, the drivers are still from December 8th... I am very confused.

february 13th released on the mobo website...

PRO B550-VC

Best AMD AM4 B550 ATX motherboard, lightning PCIe 4.0, lightning M.2, Extended heatsink, USB 3.2 Gen 2, M.2 heatsink, powerful overclocking, MSI PRO

www.msi.com

Both chipset drivers are digitally signed in November 2022. MSI one is from 24.11 and AMD one from 15.11

 

[Space Lynx]

Both chipset drivers are digitally signed in November 2022. MSI one is from 24.11 and AMD one from 15.11

so its just the opposite, MSI is slow as shit lmao

 

[AusWolf]

In the time that I've had this build I've found that the 7700X runs hot.

At stock, it does indeed. Luckily, lowering the power or temperature target only rids you of a couple percent performance.

 

[trparky]

At stock, it does indeed. Luckily, lowering the power or temperature target only rids you of a couple percent performance.

Now how the hell do I do that? I'd like to set the maximum temperature, the point at which it begins to throttle, at 90c instead of the default of 95c.

Why? I just don't like the idea of my processor running that damn hot under a full load. Yes, AMD says that it's "safe" but for how long?

Or, am I just worried for the sake of being worried?

 

[kapone32]

My 76W 5600 non-X with CO -20-25 needs 1,18V maximum while clocking +150MHz with the clock boost feature. So, why did you write that without having tested those CPUs properly and having proofs about?

I can't speak for the non x parts but I can say it is that way for the X parts. You are talking about a 65 watt CPU vs 105 Watt CPU,

 

[Nordic]

Now how the hell do I do that? I'd like to set the maximum temperature, the point at which it begins to throttle, at 90c instead of the default of 95c.

Why? I just don't like the idea of my processor running that damn hot under a full load. Yes, AMD says that it's "safe" but for how long?

Or, am I just worried for the sake of being worried?

In my PBO settings I have an option to set the thermal throttle point from auto to a manual value. You could look there.

I think you are worried for worry sake. These cpu's aren't the same as those before. They are designed to run much warmer safely. If you want to lose a miniscule amount of performance for peace of mind, who am I to judge. Set your throttle point to 90c.

 

[HD64G]

I can't speak for the non x parts but I can say it is that way for the X parts. You are talking about a 65 watt CPU vs 105 Watt CPU,

You were the one who spoke generally about all the 5000 ryzen CPUs not me. And what specific CPUs have you tested and what were the results? Btw, the non-X parts are the lower quality bins usually and thus, they should need more voltage to reach the same frequency.

 

[freeagent]

I say let it roast, they love the heat, keeps things loose I guess..

 

[trparky]

I think you are worried for worry sake. These cpu's aren't the same as those before. They are designed to run much warmer safely.

I guess that I'm still used to the idea that 95c is like really, really hot.

 

[tabascosauz]

Now how the hell do I do that? I'd like to set the maximum temperature, the point at which it begins to throttle, at 90c instead of the default of 95c.

Why? I just don't like the idea of my processor running that damn hot under a full load. Yes, AMD says that it's "safe" but for how long?

Or, am I just worried for the sake of being worried?

You should really be exploring Curve Optimizer headroom if you want to cut down on temps. With a lower PBO thermal limit all you are doing is restricting stock behaviour and clocks. Not attacking the crux of the problem.

If you have say -20 to -30 of undervolt headroom you can potentially cut temps by more than 20 degrees under all-core load. Combine it with lower limits and you can reduce power significantly while keeping stock performance.

If you were the type to disable BOOST altogether, you would probably be paranoid. On this 95C issue you're alright honestly, I've learned a very long time ago not to take everything that AMD says at face value (XTX 110C junction "normal", PBO always "safe" and won't void warranty, etc.). Besides, CO offers a legitimate and very easy way out without sacrificing performance, what's not to like?

 

[freeagent]

I found with my Zen 3 parts that they are just ducky in the 80s, and even into the 90s for AC workloads. When they really start pulling back clocks, like 100MHz or so, then its getting warm. 25MHz or so is nothing.. I am running 240/160/190 on my 5900X. She loves it.

 

[kapone32]

You were the one who spoke generally about all the 5000 ryzen CPUs not me. And what specific CPUs have you tested and what were the results? Btw, the non-X parts are the lower quality bins usually and thus, they should need more voltage to reach the same frequency.

Let me see 5950X, 5900X, 5800X3D, 5600X. I have also built 5600 based systems though. I can tell you that that the 5900X, 5950X or X3D all love to go high on voltage. The 5950X can run as high as 5.1 GHZ and the 5900X 5.0 GHZ (single core) but you need proper cooling and a high end board for that as some boards give more juice to the CPU than others. My Asus X570E does not get as high a boost clock as my MSI Ace Max but that board does that.

 

[AusWolf]

Now how the hell do I do that? I'd like to set the maximum temperature, the point at which it begins to throttle, at 90c instead of the default of 95c.

Why? I just don't like the idea of my processor running that damn hot under a full load. Yes, AMD says that it's "safe" but for how long?

Or, am I just worried for the sake of being worried?

This:

In my PBO settings I have an option to set the thermal throttle point from auto to a manual value. You could look there.

I think you are worried for worry sake. These cpu's aren't the same as those before. They are designed to run much warmer safely. If you want to lose a miniscule amount of performance for peace of mind, who am I to judge. Set your throttle point to 90c.

Although, I wouldn't worry about it, either, unless you run the CPU under 100% load 24/7. My 7700X barely ever reaches 70 °C in gaming.

 

[trparky]

OK, I set a negative PBO Curve Optimizer of negative 30 and set the throttle limit to 85, Cinebench R23 multi-core score is 19914. My previous score was 19099.

 

[tabascosauz]

OK, I set a negative PBO Curve Optimizer of negative 30 and set the throttle limit to 85, Cinebench R23 multi-core score is 19914. My previous score was 19099.

See? Easy as pie

Now you know -30 all core is at least good enough for all-core clocks. Maybe run some corecycler and ycruncher if you want to be sure

 

[AusWolf]

OK, I set a negative PBO Curve Optimizer of negative 30 and set the throttle limit to 85, Cinebench R23 multi-core score is 19914. My previous score was 19099.

I wanted to say something along the lines of "you've taken the first steps towards greatness", but then I realized that it wouldn't be appropriate coming from me, considering that I don't even use CO.

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

OK, I set a negative PBO Curve Optimizer of negative 30 and set the throttle limit to 85, Cinebench R23 multi-core score is 19914. My previous score was 19099.

Here's where I got to with mine before the last BIOS update took away all the fun and I gave up (quitter).

-25 all core, 95W TDP (128w PPT), Noctua NH-D15

In addition to corecycler/ycruncher make sure to try some (lots of) games, let it sit idle (without sleep or hibernate enabled) for some real world stability checks as well.

 

[freeagent]

I don't even use CO.

Why not?

Here's where I got to with mine before the last BIOS update took away all the fun and I gave up (quitter).

-25 all core, 95W TDP (128w PPT), Noctua NH-D15

View attachment 283802

In addition to corecycler/ycruncher make sure to try some (lots of) games, let it sit idle (without sleep or hibernate enabled) for some real world stability checks as well.

Man that thing is just ripping along, 5.5GHz is pretty sick

Let me see 5950X, 5900X, 5800X3D, 5600X. I have also built 5600 based systems though. I can tell you that that the 5900X, 5950X or X3D all love to go high on voltage. The 5950X can run as high as 5.1 GHZ and the 5900X 5.0 GHZ (single core) but you need proper cooling and a high end board for that as some boards give more juice to the CPU than others. My Asus X570E does not get as high a boost clock as my MSI Ace Max but that board does that.

Weird, my Strix -F and -XE are able to push my 5900X to 5150

 

[tabascosauz]

Here's where I got to with mine before the last BIOS update took away all the fun and I gave up (quitter).

-25 all core, 95W TDP (128w PPT), Noctua NH-D15

View attachment 283802

In addition to corecycler/ycruncher make sure to try some (lots of) games, let it sit idle (without sleep or hibernate enabled) for some real world stability checks as well.

130W, 5.4GHz, 80C.........I really gotta work my FC140 harder