Long AM5 POST times

[eidairaman1]

For AM5 it appears it does. The BIOS the boards initially shipped with were especially bad. Remember the AsRock memory slot stickers that made the news at launch?

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Its a disclaimer

I guess they already know about the issue but haven't been able/ not cared to issue a fix till date as is the case with their graphics driver bugs (they will eventually fix it but only GOD knows when).

Ever heard of the Enterprise Drivers, seem to be the stable set.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

I really hate how they handled this. I don't see a reason they couldn't create a hash from the RAM part/serial# + freq + timings and store a count of successful posts under that hash in NVRAM. Once the count of successful POSTs reaches a certain threshold they could bypass training on subsequent boots until the RAM or settings are changed.

Usually the memory fail retry count is 3 tries. If memory training retry count is the same or less, it will always go by the memory fail retry count.

Depending on how aggressive the memory overclock and memory tweaks, some boards will retrain every cold post. This would indicate first post instability in most cases.

XMP profiles. I have with (Intel system) XMP 1 and 2. The first one is Asus "optimized" memory timings. And 2 would be standard by SPD, XMP profile timings.

Then of course manual memory OC, you pick the divider and remove memory timings from "auto". Or altered timings from the XMP profile, trying to be manually OCed. This will default 3 tries memory fail.

Users could increase the memory fail and training retry counts larger or shorter. This may impact the boot times depending on alterations of the OC settings. Sometimes, just changing the memory divider (frequecy) can cause memory retry.

How's the system post at defaults compared to the XMP or manual OC? Fast boot of course because memory training is off during default settings.

And lastly, which of those memory training algorithms are set to auto, but are enabled during XMP, I'm not entirely sure. But my ROG board has roughly 2 pages of memory training algorithms to enable or disable. When manually OC, timings auto, memory training enabled. Then do your tweaks.

An indepth article would be wise for users to search. Memory overclocking has become very in depth compared to the distant past setting basically just primaries only for overclocking.

 

[AsRock]

Well, my board never needed 2-3 minutes for some reason. Not even on its first start.

Because your running 32GB and not 64GB maybe, mines extremely short unless i reset the cmos is the only time i really notice which is normal.

 

[Tech_fanatic]

Ever heard of the Enterprise Drivers, seem to be the stable set.

Yes but they are not optimized for general gaming use.

 

[FMDCC]

Hi,

I have just acquired an Asrock B650E Steel Legend motherboard, a 7600X and 32 Gb of DDR5 6000 mhz CL30 (G.Skill).
I upgraded DDR5 from 4800mhz to 6000mhz via bios and EXPO mode.
Each time the computer starts, I have a post bios period which lasts well 30 sec with black screen then Asrock logo and Windows start.
I installed the latest bios version available for my motherboard (1.11.AS03[Beta] released on 2022/11/7)

Was a solution found?

 

[AusWolf]

Hi,

I have just acquired an Asrock B650E Steel Legend motherboard, a 7600X and 32 Gb of DDR5 6000 mhz CL30 (G.Skill).
I upgraded DDR5 from 4800mhz to 6000mhz via bios and EXPO mode.
Each time the computer starts, I have a post bios period which lasts well 30 sec with black screen then Asrock logo and Windows start.
I installed the latest bios version available for my motherboard (1.11.AS03[Beta] released on 2022/11/7)

Was a solution found?

Not as far as I know. 30 seconds is normal for 32 GB 6000 MHz. Don't worry about it.

 

[JohH]

Hi,

I have just acquired an Asrock B650E Steel Legend motherboard, a 7600X and 32 Gb of DDR5 6000 mhz CL30 (G.Skill).
I upgraded DDR5 from 4800mhz to 6000mhz via bios and EXPO mode.
Each time the computer starts, I have a post bios period which lasts well 30 sec with black screen then Asrock logo and Windows start.
I installed the latest bios version available for my motherboard (1.11.AS03[Beta] released on 2022/11/7)

Was a solution found?

There is no solution yet.
There is a 'Memory Context Restore' option in the BIOS that can be set to 'Enabled'. Some people report it helps. But this does not fix the problem for me.

 

[FMDCC]

OK, too bad, my old computer with a Core i5 4570 and DDR3 had an almost imperceptible bios post time.

 

[AusWolf]

There is no solution yet.
There is a 'Memory Context Restore' option in the BIOS that can be set to 'Enabled'. Some people report it helps. But this does not fix the problem for me.

My PC won't boot with that option enabled, so don't take it for granted.

OK, too bad, my old computer with a Core i5 4570 and DDR3 had an almost imperceptible bios post time.

Is it really that bad, though? I mean, 30 seconds isn't the end of the world, in my opinion.

 

[FMDCC]

My PC won't boot with that option enabled, so don't take it for granted.


Is it really that bad, though? I mean, 30 seconds isn't the end of the world, in my opinion.

Yes, it's true that it's not the end of the world but personally it really shocked me. I would never have imagined that the configurations of the last generations have this kind of characteristic.

Can we still hope that this can be corrected in the future via, for example, a new bios update?
Or is it too complex a problem that is likely to remain for this entire generation?

 

[AusWolf]

Yes, it's true that it's not the end of the world but personally it really shocked me. I would never have imagined that the configurations of the last generations have this kind of characteristic.

Can we still hope that this can be corrected in the future via, for example, a new bios update?
Or is it too complex a problem that is likely to remain for this entire generation?

I believe AMD said that they would do something about it. I'm not sure if they meant the aforementioned "memory context restore" option in the BIOS, or something else that's yet to come.

As for me, I've made my peace with the 30 seconds up to the point when I don't even notice it anymore. I waste more time trying to skip Youtube adverts when I'm watching on TV anyway.

 

[ir_cow]

I believe AMD said that they would do something about it. I'm not sure if they meant the aforementioned "memory context restore" option in the BIOS, or something else that's yet to come.

memory restore is in all the MBs now. Just not on the front page of easy mode. Also it only kinda works. Somethings It just puts the computer in a boot loop.

 

[AusWolf]

memory restore is in all the MBs now. Just not on the front page of easy mode. Also it only kinda works. Somethings It just puts the computer in a boot loop.

It doesn't work on my system. I get no POST when it's enabled. Not that I mind an extra 30 seconds, though (as I've mentioned).

 

[Override17]

Yes, it's true that it's not the end of the world but personally it really shocked me. I would never have imagined that the configurations of the last generations have this kind of characteristic.

Can we still hope that this can be corrected in the future via, for example, a new bios update?
Or is it too complex a problem that is likely to remain for this entire generation?

X2 it really shocked me too, INTEL does not have this problems???
Its my first experience with AMD processors and i picked up a 7600X paired with a MSI B650 Edge (I haven't buying all the parts yet).
So sad that new platform have this kind of glitches.
BTW, which "white" DDR5 memory would you choose?
1) G.Skill Flare X5 Series (AMD Expo) 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin SDRAM DDR5 6000 CL36-36-96 1.35V
2) G.Skill Flare X5 Series (AMD Expo) 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) 288 pines SDRAM DDR5 6000 CL32-38-38-96 1.35 V
3) TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB DDR5 32 GB Kit (2 x 16 GB) 6000 MHz (PC5-48000) CL40
4) CORSAIR Vengeance DDR5 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 5200 (PC5-41600) C40 1.25V Intel XMP
5) Corsair Vengeance RGB DDR5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) 6000 MHz C36
6) Corsair DOMINATOR PLATINUM RGB DDR5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) 5600 MHz C36

 

[HammerON]

X2 it really shocked me too, INTEL does not have this problems???
Its my first experience with AMD processors and i picked up a 7600X paired with a MSI B650 Edge (I haven't buying all the parts yet).
So sad that new platform have this kind of glitches.
BTW, which "white" DDR5 memory would you choose?
1) G.Skill Flare X5 Series (AMD Expo) 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin SDRAM DDR5 6000 CL36-36-96 1.35V
2) G.Skill Flare X5 Series (AMD Expo) 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) 288 pines SDRAM DDR5 6000 CL32-38-38-96 1.35 V
3) TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB DDR5 32 GB Kit (2 x 16 GB) 6000 MHz (PC5-48000) CL40
4) CORSAIR Vengeance DDR5 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 5200 (PC5-41600) C40 1.25V Intel XMP
5) Corsair Vengeance RGB DDR5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) 6000 MHz C36
6) Corsair DOMINATOR PLATINUM RGB DDR5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) 5600 MHz C36

@Override17
In regards to your question about which RAM folks would choose, you need to start your own thread so we don't take this one off-topic. Please and thank you.

 

[JohH]

There is no solution yet.
There is a 'Memory Context Restore' option in the BIOS that can be set to 'Enabled'. Some people report it helps. But this does not fix the problem for me.

As a follow-up, the latest BIOS with AGESA 1.0.0.5 fixed this problem on my board.

 

[ir_cow]

X2 it really shocked me too, INTEL does not have this problems???

Its not a problem. AMD engineers designed it this way. You can find some interviews on YT about this. Just like how the Infinity Fabric is defaulted to 2000 MHz now, the team decided users would benefit from tuned memory profiles instead of hoping the MB makers would include such a function... or do it well.

 

[jxdking]

80 seconds post on MSI x670e Carbon, with 64GB RAM. AGESA 1.0.0.5c.
From what I heard, it would be 50 seconds with 32GB on the same board. Good luck with 128GB.

 

[bmn007]

Using Asus B650E-F motherboard with ryzen 9 7900x amd cpu, boot time was around 30 to 40 seconds even with latest beta bios released yesterday. After installing "Intel Driver & Support Assistant" tool, asked for reboot. During reboot noticed boot time was reduced to less than 5 secs. No more blank screen during boot. Tried multiple times rebooting and shutting down the desktop and seems to be working and able to boot in less than 5-10 secs with and without expo enabled, but have to enable memory context restore option in bios.

 

[jxdking]

Using Asus B650E-F motherboard with ryzen 9 7900x amd cpu, boot time was around 30 to 40 seconds even with latest beta bios released yesterday. After installing "Intel Driver & Support Assistant" tool, asked for reboot. During reboot noticed boot time was reduced to less than 5 secs. No more blank screen during boot. Tried multiple times rebooting and shutting down the desktop and seems to be working and able to boot in less than 5-10 secs with and without expo enabled, but have to enable memory context restore option in bios.

Are you sure you installed “Intel Driver & Support Assistant” on AMD B650E?

 

[Mussels]

One piece of advice that may help: re-seat the CPU Cooler, make sure its aligned evenly and not overtightend. Had one AM5 system that had long-ass boots, and simply loosening the cooler fixed it (AM4 cooler used on AM5, could simply be tightened too far)

The higher speeds require a better quality connection so it's got a slim chance this can help you out, but mostly DDR5 6000 is just too high for AM5 to be trouble free. It's getting better with AGESA updates, but it's not perfect yet.

At slower speeds it can remember previous memory settings and use them at the next boot, but when they're outside the normal usable speeds it has to power on, boot, fails on a cold boot, load a safe setting far enough to reboot and try the saved settings again, then it finally works. This is what people mistake for memory training, which is a lot shorter (that first cold boot at jedec speeds, is a standard memory training and time)


Personally, i'd work on a lower speed profile (5600? 5200?) with tighter timings and check every BIOS update if they've improved things. Enjoy the system without the boot times in the interim, improvements keep rolling in at a slow but steady pace.

Are you sure you installed “Intel Driver & Support Assistant” on AMD B650E?

Intel wifi and networking do exist on these boards

 

[AusWolf]

Personally, i'd work on a lower speed profile (5600? 5200?) with tighter timings and check every BIOS update if they've improved things. Enjoy the system without the boot times in the interim, improvements keep rolling in at a slow but steady pace.

This is good advice. RAM speed doesn't matter as much on AM5 as it does on AM4 anyway.

Although, with reasonable amounts (such as 32 GB with two sticks), I'd still say 20-30 seconds ain't too bad. It's only a matter of getting used to.

 

[bmn007]

Are you sure you installed “Intel Driver & Support Assistant” on AMD B650E?

yes, “Intel Driver & Support Assistant” a software tool and can be installed on any device from here https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/18002/intel-driver-support-assistant.html

Atleast it worked for me after installing “Intel Driver & Support Assistant”. i did tried uninstalling this app to see if its really helpful or not. it does increased my boot time to 40 to 50 secs with blank screen for 30 secs or so. So reinstalled and seems to be working with 6 to 10 sec boot time. one thing to know intel's XMP profile and AMD EXPO has some dependencies which intel driver might be installing behind the scene.

 

[jaxzor42]

This is on a Gigabyte X670 Aorus Elite AX using latest BIOS and G.Skill DDR5 6000 CL30-40-40-96 (XMP kit, full part no in my system specs).

On every boot/reboot it takes 45 seconds to complete POST and the DRAM LED on the board is lit for the vast majority of the time. This only happens when the XMP profile is enabled, it only takes 12-15 seconds w/o XMP enabled. The system is stable using XMP profile and the primary timings from the XMP profile are reflected as in use in HWinfo, CPU-Z, and ZenTimings once in Windows.

In theory, would the delay most likely be caused due to the BIOS trying to determine safe timings? If so, would the most likely fix be to set all "auto" timings to manual and using the actual timings reflected in ZenTimings?

I did notice tRDWR on one stick is 21, while it's 22 on the other stick. Would it be worth only setting that manually to 22 in the BIOS first or should I just set all to manual?

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m8 i have the same MB... and my POST sequence starts with CPU > DRAM > VGA > BOOT...
CPU and BOOT takes 1 second, but DRAM and VGA takes 10s each... i don't rly know what the issue is... if i try to use the max speed my RAM can do (5600MHz) after windows loads my screen turns off and on twice and it's followed by AMD Adrenaline reporting a bug...if i use EXPO 2 and setup the RAM at 5200MHz the POST timers are the same but i no longer get the screen turning off and on and the Adrenaline bug report also doesn't popup... I really don't know what the issue is since gaming performance is not compromised at all...and I also believe it started to be like this after latest F8c BIOS update...
let me know if you fixed the POST long timers!
cheers!

 

[ir_cow]

@jaxzor42 I'm working on the X670 AX Elite review right now. 2x16GB at DDR5-6000 is fine, no double or triple boot for me on the lasted BIOS. How much ram do you have and configuration?

Are you sure it's not a PBO overclocking fault error instead of the ram?