Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[Super Firm Tofu]

Why not?


Man that thing is just ripping along, 5.5GHz is pretty sick

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Weird, my Strix -F and -XE are able to push my 5900X to 5150

I think I lucked out with a good sample of the 7700x. Someone who knows what they're doing (not me) would get this thing way over 21000 .

130W, 5.4GHz, 80C.........I really gotta work my FC140 harder

Oh the FC140 is a beast, I think even more so on 10nm.

I had someone PM the other day recommending I get a better cooler for the 13900k. I sent the temps after an hour of Hogwarts.

How about 253 Watts?

 

[tabascosauz]

I think I lucked out with a good sample of the 7700x. Someone who knows what they're doing (not me) would get this thing way over 21000 .

That's 5900X territory! Impressive

Actually I'm pretty sure 20.7k is already bone stock 5900X score...

I had someone PM the other day recommending I get a better cooler for the 13900k. I sent the temps after an hour of Hogwarts.

How about 253 Watts?

Stop it!!! I already can't get the 13700k out of my head lol. I don't need more motivation one button press away from another bad financial decision

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

That's 5900X territory! Impressive

Actually I'm pretty sure 20.7k is already bone stock 5900X score...



Stop it!!! I already can't get the 13700k out of my head lol. I don't need more motivation one button press away from another bad financial decision

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It's horrible. Don't do it. Everyone will call you names on the forums.

 

[trparky]

OK, C++ compile time on a program that I build from source takes about two seconds longer which is strange.

Thanks @tabascosauz, that video you linked to helped get those tweaks in place. If not for that video, I'd never have known what the hell to do.

In addition to corecycler/ycruncher make sure to try some (lots of) games, let it sit idle (without sleep or hibernate enabled) for some real world stability checks as well.

Yeah, I plan to.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

Stop it!!! I already can't get the 13700k out of my head lol. I don't need more motivation one button press away from another bad financial decision

Sir this is the Zen Garden.

You must not be plagued with internal conflict, it is not the way.

 

[trparky]

Stop it!!! I already can't get the 13700k out of my head lol. I don't need more motivation one button press away from another bad financial decision

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Why are you looking at a 13700K? This is the Zen Garden.

 

[tabascosauz]

It's horrible. Don't do it. Everyone will call you names on the forums.

It's okay, nothing would change, I can already feel overwhelming collective internet disdain emanating from the 4070 Ti and aircooling in a Caselabs lol

OK, C++ compile time on a program that I build from source takes about two seconds longer which is strange.

2 seconds out of how much time total? Repeatable? Usually what sort of load/clocks/wattage/Vcore/#cores loaded? The boost algorithm itself is often very temperamental and occasionally drops clocks in the middle of a benchmark for no reason, skewing your data just because it can.

AMD makes it hard to measure things scientifically so we gotta make up the difference in practice

If -30 is not completely stable (ie. benchmark scores not actually scaling, weird behaviour, worse performance, clock stretching), you can easily fall back to -25 or -28. I get my Timespy CPU scores at -30, but usually run -28.

 

[trparky]

2 seconds out of how much time total? Repeatable?

The full compile time and package process takes about a minute and a half, plus or minus two seconds depending upon system load.

I may have to back off to a negative offset of 25 instead of 30.

Cinebench score went down to 19801.

Did three Cinebench R23 tests, the average is 19780.

 

[freeagent]

You can wait for Meteor lake.. I would pass on 12th and 13th Gen

 

[AusWolf]

Why not?

Just can't be asked to fiddle. As long as the CPU can do what I want from it and more at stock, I'm OK.

That's 5900X territory! Impressive

Actually I'm pretty sure 20.7k is already bone stock 5900X score...

Only that much? I get 19k out of the bone stock 7700X.

 

[freeagent]

I couldn’t say, I haven’t run R23 @ stock

The closest thing to stock that I ran for any length of time recently was X3D. It’s a nice little cpu, but it’s not for tuners.

 

[tabascosauz]

You can wait for Meteor lake.. I would pass on 12th and 13th Gen

And relive the Ryzen 3000 horrors for the second time? No thanks

Actually it's even worse, I've already been in "lets-try-chiplets hellhole" twice. 3700X b#1924, and 7900 XT. Let's not make that 3.

I don't believe Intel will have nearly the gong show that AMD did in 2019, but EMIB + Foveros + TSMC + new core + chiplets is a still lot of firsts to have in a single product. I want to retire from the unpaid beta tester life. Hence why I'm eyeing 13700K, but paying $1000 for identical gaming performance is not my shtick

Only that much? I get 19k out of the bone stock 7700X.

I have seen 5900X below 21k, but stock is about 21k.

It’s a nice little cpu, but it’s not for tuners.

Hear hear!

 

[freeagent]

And relive the Ryzen 3000 horrors for the second time? No thanks

Actually it's even worse, I've already been in "lets-try-chiplets hellhole" twice. 3700X b#1924, and 7900 XT. Let's not make that 3.

I don't believe Intel will have nearly the gong show that AMD did in 2019, but EMIB + Foveros + TSMC + new core + chiplets is a still lot of firsts to have in a single product. I want to retire from the unpaid beta tester life. Hence why I'm eyeing 13700K, but paying $1000 for identical gaming performance is not my shtick



I have seen 5900X below 21k, but stock is about 21k.



Hear hear!

I have a spare Thermalright Contact Frame if you need, they sent me a couple.. but I don't have Intel yet..

 

[AusWolf]

And relive the Ryzen 3000 horrors for the second time? No thanks

Actually it's even worse, I've already been in "lets-try-chiplets hellhole" twice. 3700X b#1924, and 7900 XT. Let's not make that 3.

I don't believe Intel will have nearly the gong show that AMD did in 2019, but EMIB + Foveros + TSMC + new core + chiplets is a still lot of firsts to have in a single product. I want to retire from the unpaid beta tester life. Hence why I'm eyeing 13700K, but paying $1000 for identical gaming performance is not my shtick

I might sound like a heretic here, but that's understandable. I tend to shift between my "I want something stable that works" and "this is boring, I want something fun now" phases.

Lucky enough, I've got kind of both in my current build, which is a first. The factory BIOS was hell, though.

I have seen 5900X below 21k, but stock is about 21k.

That's not a lot. I didn't think Zen 4 improved this much.

 

[freeagent]

That's not a lot. I didn't think Zen 4 improved this much.

Pretty good considering 7700X vs 5900X.. 8vs12.. pretty good I would say.

 

[tabascosauz]

I have a spare Thermalright Contact Frame if you need, they sent me a couple.. but I don't have Intel yet..

Where do you get all these free goodies??? Are you a wizard?? Are you actually Thermalright CEO undercover?

I almost forgot that the contact frame is a must. I might reevaluate things later this year if X3D launches and Intel decides to can/cripple Meteor Lake and just refresh Raptor Lake. Get real mem OC capability, or gaming performance? hmmmmmmm

I might sound like a heretic here, but that's understandable. I tend to shift between my "I want something stable that works" and "this is boring, I want something fun now" phases.

Lucky enough, I've got kind of both in my current build, which is a first. The factory BIOS was hell, though.

That's not a lot. I didn't think Zen 4 improved this much.

8-core catching up to last gen 12-core is a feat. Ryzen has always been weak in that area (maybe the halved IFOP write bandwidth, or the thermal wall that 8-core runs into). Fortunately 5900X is also pretty weak MT in the grand scheme of things so 7700X has a unique opportunity there.

If new Zen 4 or Zen 5 APUs come out then I may just upgrade my L5 and use that as the guinea pig. If the monolithic DDR5 UMC is strong, it would be a beast of a mem OC and also 12CU RDNA will benefit. The Raphael UMC is just sad right now, so DDR5 OCers basically treating AM5 like it doesn't exist.

 

[freeagent]

Where do you get all these free goodies??? Are you a wizard?? Are you actually Thermalright CEO undercover?

Lol no no nothing like that. When I stripped the mount for FC140 I have a friend over at OCN who has a insider at TR who helped. I think there was some confusion over something lost in translation, and they ended up sending me a bunch of stuff through DHL over the course of a month

Love my friends, all of em

 

[AusWolf]

Where do you get all these free goodies??? Are you a wizard?? Are you actually Thermalright CEO undercover?

I almost forgot that the contact frame is a must. I might reevaluate things later this year if X3D launches and Intel decides to can/cripple Meteor Lake and just refresh Raptor Lake. Get real mem OC capability, or gaming performance? hmmmmmmm

AM5, LGA-1700. I know it doesn't help much, but the Canadian Amazon might have them as well, might be worth a look.

If new Zen 4 or Zen 5 APUs come out then I may just upgrade my L5 and use that as the guinea pig. If the monolithic DDR5 UMC is strong, it would be a beast of a mem OC and also 12CU RDNA will benefit. The Raphael UMC is just sad right now, so DDR5 OCers basically treating AM5 like it doesn't exist.

Oh, but it does exist! It's called 6000 MHz.

 

[freeagent]

They also have an AM5 Contact Frame.. not sure if its needed though

 

[tabascosauz]

They also have an AM5 Contact Frame.. not sure if its needed though

Isn't the AM5 ILM and backplate sturdier?

I would probably still get Noctua's TPG1 though, just to save some cleanup. No need to replace the ILM for that.

 

[freeagent]

I wonder when they are going to release their D16.. wonder if it will have 8mm pipes and a lil more mass..

 

[tabascosauz]

I wonder when they are going to release their D16.. wonder if it will have 8mm pipes and a lil more mass..

Everything got pushed way up in the roadmap. By like 3 quarters. Maybe next year.

I'm still waiting on a 140mm fan, but from the constant weekly updates from Phanteks reddit rep it looks like the T30-140 will beat Noctua's 140mm to market. Unless something big happens, I won't be waiting for Noctua.

I'm also starting to suspect that AMD might use the trash 2CU iGPU in AM5 to justify not making an APU.......hope that's not the case!

 

[AusWolf]

I'm also starting to suspect that AMD might use the trash 2CU iGPU in AM5 to justify not making an APU.......hope that's not the case!

They said APUs are coming too eventually... unless they've changed their mind.

 

[freeagent]

Hardware seems to be a mess these days.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

I'm also starting to suspect that AMD might use the trash 2CU iGPU in AM5 to justify not making an APU.......hope that's not the case!

I think they will wait until they have stock of binned mobile chips - ones that couldn't make the boost clock in the power-limited package.

Wait for Phoenix to be properly released before holding your breath.