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The Zotac GeForce RTX 4070 Ti AMP Extreme Airo is a factory overclocked custom-design variant of NVIDIA's newest architecture. Performance is impressive, the card can beat last generation's RTX 3090 Ti flagship, with almost double the energy efficiency and much lower heat and noise.

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The hotspot temperature detection with the quiet bios looks incoherent.

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Is it possible to reduce the power target? How low does it go, and does it improve the efficiency?
This card is anyway too big for me and a lot of other users.
Hope for AMD RX 7700.
 
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Is it possible to reduce the power target? How low does it go, and does it improve the efficiency?
Look at the 60Hz V-Sync chart, 79W for this card ...
There is a very good number !
(Ok I know, don't buy a card like this to play 60 Hz V-Sync ... but to me it is significant, and the card stay cool, quiet and ultra efficient)
Zotac cards come with an extra 2 years of warranty here in Europe, 5 total. Pretty good for those who want to get max long-term value from these insane prices.
Good to know, 5 years, it counts !
 
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well, for the price increase... it would be a no go for me
for the performance increase ... yeah not bad, but also not impressive
efficiency... yep all good ...

although Nvidia and AMD are disappointing me lately ... equivalent between older and newer gen have drastically lowered specs and do not seems like upgrades,
for example: 192bits vs 128bits, 2560 cores vs 2048 cores, 96mb vs 64mb L3, 160 TMUs vs 128 TMUs and 12gb vs 8gb in case of the RX 6700 XT and RX 7700 XT (even if the 7700 XT is not released for now)
so, unless the performance/efficiency skyrocket between the two, i think buying a RX 6700 XT instead of waiting for a 4060/Ti or a 7700 XT was the right choice ... (and i doubt any of the new middrange card would be lower than 450$ )


also "The curves on their card are almost female-elegant." well, i mentioned a few time about that Zotac HSF/backplate shape ... and how a friend was linking it to the shape of a female related consumable (less elegant tho) thus that sentence made me laugh so hard :laugh:
 
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The cooler performance comparison. My God. Absolutely brilliant! I can't recall any other reviewers doing that, despite it being one of the most important factors when picking an AIB (besides price and brand loyality of course). The best I see are comparisons to the FE and maybe some occasional obscure youtube channel comparing 2 to 3 AIB's.

I can't wait for the list to grow and to witness the ultimate 4070 Ti card. There are at least 2-3 models from each brand so this may take a while, I hope TPU will get review samples for each of them! Thank you Grand W1zzard, this is true magic
 
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Did you know ?
Zotac is owned by PC Partner (founded in Honk Kong in 1997)
in 2011 they fully acquired Manli / Inno 3D
So Zotac = Manli = Inno 3D (well, it's the same group ;))
 
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Pretty high idle power consumption for this model, compared to other 4070 Ti's.
 
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It would be an impressive if it wasn't a mid tier card selling for last generation's upper tier price.
 
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Why would idle power, multi-monitor power and video playback power all skyrocket compared to stock for such minor clock increases? Is 4K scaling really worse than expected for a gimped (at this price point) 192 bit card. As we saw with ast gen AMD, IC only gets you so far as they had strong 1440p and then usually swamped at 4K, which is why they increased bus width for 7900 cards.
 
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Pretty high idle power consumption for this model, compared to other 4070 Ti's.
My ZOTAC idle around 17 watts !

I had the PNY XLR8 4070Ti for a month , but exchanged it for the ZOTAC , easy OC , stock volage / 200 on the core, 1500 memory .
 
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Zotac cards come with an extra 2 years of warranty here in Europe, 5 total. Pretty good for those who want to get max long-term value from these insane prices.
they make you jump through at least 15 hoops to get an rma tho.
all i've ever heard of them is that their rma/warranty is essentially inexistent (and their hardware being very prone to failure).

buy them for warranty/rma service i would not.
 

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Is 4K scaling really worse than expected for a gimped (at this price point) 192 bit card
It is worse compared to the other cards in this performance group, so I found it interesting to point it out, so that people are aware when shopping in this group. It's not just the bus width, it's the cache size, too.
 
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So, thank you for the review.

Where I'm personally having issues is acceptance of the $880 price tag.
Does it compete with the 3090...yeah, mostly.
Can I now buy a new 3080 for under $700...yeah.
Was this a cut-down 4080 that couldn't sell with the naming shenanigans, that Nvidia decided to pull...yeah.

While individual performance isn't bad the whole pricing to performance thing is basically pulling back and claiming that a 3090 launched with an MSRP of $1500 in September 2020, at the peak of the coof, is now acceptable to consider in February 2023 with a $900 effective cost because there are no FE cards. Oh joy, in 28 months we managed to go from price gouging for anything to price gouging for silicon that was designed to "be better by naming" but people shot down because Ngreed was transparent.


Don't get me wrong, not an issue with the review, not unique to Nvidia, and not really surprising. All of this said, it's really tough to get on ebay and see $420 for a 3060ti,,,when a new one is under $400. It's silly to see that instead of a small cost increase and a generational step (ie 3070=4060 performance, but the 4060 would be 108% of the 3060 cost) we're seeing Nvidia claim that the 3090=4070ti...and the cost of the 4070ti is basically 29% higher than the 3080 (so we are clear, 3080=$700, 4070ti=$900). Of course, the caveat is a string of asterisks that the 4070ti cannot actually perform as well because it's got a cut down memory interface that Nvidia still hasn't addressed since the days of the 1070...but some of the quoted ram will not be accessible at speed and thus tank performance if accessed.

Say what you will about AMD marketing. It's as bad as Nvidia...and to some extent just as...creatively optimistic. I'm looking at the 3000 series and seeing the longevity that my 480 had from AMD...while the 4000 series seems more like the AMD 5000-6000 series refresh that really oversold their hand at being an actual improvement. The stark difference being AMD rushed the 6000 series because the 5000 series had bad drivers...but largely succeeded through refinement. The 4000 series seems more like refining the pricing scheme for profitability and RT...which is really seeming like the next 3d tv. You know, the hottest thing every tv had years ago...but died an inglorious death because the tech wasn't really the next big thing...and now exists almost exclusively a decade later as an oddity for expensive but niche experiences.


Stating again, good review. Too bad the product and price are just unreasonable...because 29% more money for more direct generational competition is just silly. It'd be nice if Nvidia and AMD got kicked in the teeth for this pricing, and the 8000 and 5000 generations were a little more evergreen. Those who remember the 5770, for an msrp of $159, in 2009, can probably see what I'm looking for. Those who can't...remember that the PC Master Race meme at one point was a joke...before a $222 (adjusted for inflation) was literally buying the lowest end offering.

Let me state that again. AMD offered an HD 5770 for $222 adjusted for inflation. Today that buys you a 6+ year old card. Yes, a 1050ti in 2023, released in 2016, has a cost at online retailers of of around $200 (not refurbished and not from a reseller known to rebuild cards, but averaged between lowest and highest cost). I..If I got paid like this I'd literally be knocking on millions of dollars...but only the likes of Nvidia and AMD can do so with a straight face...while knowingly screwing their core market to cater to profitable trends.


Please people, buy used or not at all. Let these companies hurt, and come to the table with something that doesn't make console gaming seem like the only option. If they could put out a $200 card that wasn't utter garbage it'd literally print money...but instead they want to make sure their "razor thin" profits are a laughingstock when they pull the 4080 12G and rebrand it as the 4070ti with a huge step down in price (but claim to investors it's still profitable).




Sorry for being long winded...but this hurts. It gets a choice award and is listed for reasonable pricing...but then cited as reasonable with caveats. It's just too frustrating.
 
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Looks like AMD fixed power consumption during video playback and multi monitor setups using 7000 series cards.
 
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Looks like AMD fixed power consumption during video playback and multi monitor setups using 7000 series cards.
indeed they did and updating to latest driver while owing a 6000 series was flawless (some mentioned issues while doing it ... i did not ... lucky as usual :laugh: )
 
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Big increase in price or reasonable pricing?

Pick a lane man. The 3070 ti msrp was $600, the 3070 was $500. Suddenly $800 is reasonable?
 
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I think it's rather interesting that you should decide to choose random cards...and presumably view this as a standard.

Let me explain why your retort is...not particularly valuable as a counter.

1) I never spoke about power efficiency...because my gaming PC doesn't run 24/7. If we assume 100 watts difference in power...because I'm going to give you that and 2 hours per day of gaming, then in a week I use 1 KWH extra of electrical energy per week. 52 weeks per year. In California it's about $0.26 dollars per KWH...or an annual cost of $13.52.

2) If I was to sell a 3080...which is about where the 4070ti competes at for 4k resolutions (and not the one you decided to cite), it's around $600 right now on ebay...basing that off of random low/high averages. 900-600 = 300. 300/13.52 = 22 years. Yes, to make up for purchasing a new 4070ti and shedding a 3080 it'd only need 22 years to pay itself back with an average 100 watt savings and a 2 hour per day (10 hour per week) gaming session.

3) Let's also ask about some stupidity from PC parts picker. I can choose a low end 4070ti and a high end 3080, and the prices highly vary. Of course, earlier this week, there was a newegg deal where a 3080 was at about the $700 mark: Newegg 3080. Prices are highly variable...but I'm willing to state that with any real effort you might also be able to find something like Best Buy putting these on even deeper clearance pricing: Best Buy - FE card clearance

4) Finally, I'm going to run this with a single last issue. Why did you choose 2560x1440? It's almost like you overlook the vast RAM requirement differences between 1080p, 2560p, and 4k. Of course the 4070ti and 3090ti (along with the 3080) are basically the same at lower resolutions. You crank that up a little bit, and it's still interchangeable. For giggles, I can also go down to SVGA resolutions and have all three within margin of error for their performance. You've decided to choose the last resolution where these cards don't start showing limitations for their available VRAM quantity. It's almost like the 3080, 3080 12G, 3080ti, and 3090ti are all basically indistinguishable from testing error when playing things at 1080p resolutions...but they demonstrate relative value when you go to 4k resolutions...because otherwise what value does a $1500 msrp card show over a $700 msrp card?




If you don't want to read, let me TL;DR.
1) 22 years to pay back increased power efficiency for a gaming solution is...laughable as a reason to buy new hardware.
2) Selecting expensive cards in one generation and cheap in another doesn't mean I can't buy a cheaper version in the one you showed as expensive. This is cherry picking a counter example...and pretty backwards.
3) Speaking of cherry picking, Nvidia said the 4070ti had 3090 level performance...but you've chosen a lower resolution to help prop up having half the VRAM. Again cherry picking.


Allow me to also suggest there are counters to my argument of the value proposition. If you spend more than 10 hours per week gaming at 4k then the 4070ti could pay itself back in its usable lifetime.
If you are looking to upgrade from a 1xxx or even 2xxx series Nvidia GPU to something new today then it's more accurately a $200 difference in overall cost. If you keep the card about 5 years, that's $40 per year. You could theoretically justify that price difference by the higher trade value of a card that is about 2 years newer...assuming you are playing the long game of decreasing values and sales.
Finally, the feature set. Nvidia tends to make new features not backwards compatible. Cool. DLSS 3.0 will be a selling point on this in a few years when it lacks the horsepower to actually render 4k with all of the new bells and whistles.
RT. I'm...not sold on this in any meaningful way. That said, the 4xxx series does it better than the 3xxx series. If that's an absolutely required feature then you can find value in the new series.


Now, let me answer all of these retorts. $159 msrp. 1 GB RAM. 2009 release. Midrange card, just like the 1070, 2070, and realistically the 3070 given that the 3060 was considered an entry level 1080p card. $222 adjusted for inflation, which is now priced like the 6 year old (2016) 1050ti. It's really silly that at this point the midrange of 2009 is competing with the pricing of the entry level offerings from half a decade ago.
I get inflation. I get that there's a difference between 1 GB and 12 GB of RAM, despite the cost not really changing (I bought 2 GB sticks of DDR2 for the same price a decade ago as 16 GB today). I also get that things cost more overall, and both AMD and Nvidia are pushing for more performance and driving the floor up based upon a plethora of new technologies. Now that I've said all of this, let me ask how many people still game at 1080p? Almost a decade later, why are the top two GPUs used in 2022 the 1650 and 1060? It's because a $800 video card is idiotic when most people are aiming for 1080p and good enough graphics...and the next $200 GPU that will do this is literally going to print money...while the 4k halo products that cost an arm and leg are literally poisoning the market's low end to PC gaming.

It's Nvidia and AMD both understanding that the premium market may be smaller, but it's more profitable...even if it basically kills the market by making the non-premium purchasers choose products more than half a decade old because they're the last offerings that provide good price to performance, rather than peak performance with compromised pricing.
I say that as a person who primarily games on a 480 and 3930k system, despite owning a 5700x and 3080 system that's primarily used to crank out work. Sometimes it's not about RT everything, but playing games that look good enough...and that doesn't necessitate a $1500 card.
Bringing this back to the review, $900 for a mid-high rang card, that was $222 about 14 years ago. We most assuredly have come a long way...and don't seem to be in a better place for consumers.
 
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My ZOTAC idle around 17 watts !

I had the PNY XLR8 4070Ti for a month , but exchanged it for the ZOTAC , easy OC , stock volage / 200 on the core, 1500 memory .
 
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The last paragraph on the first page has a typo. You said:

"The AMP Extreme Airo comes with a factory-overclocked speed of up to 2700 MHz boost (compared to 2520 MHz reference)"

The RTX 4090 must have been on your mind while writing this, since that's its boost clock. According to your own table, the BC for the 4070 Ti should be 2610MHz.
 

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The last paragraph on the first page has a typo. You said:

"The AMP Extreme Airo comes with a factory-overclocked speed of up to 2700 MHz boost (compared to 2520 MHz reference)"

The RTX 4090 must have been on your mind while writing this, since that's its boost clock. According to your own table, the BC for the 4070 Ti should be 2610MHz.
Fixed, thank you!
 
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