AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D

[consumer]

@W1zzard can you please share your PBO + undervolt as well as memory settings? I don't think it's mentioned anywhere in the review setup. I'm interested in using your setup as a starting point for my new build, so please be as detailed as you can be. Thanks for the great review!

 

[W1zzard]

@W1zzard can you please share your PBO + undervolt as well as memory settings? I don't think it's mentioned anywhere in the review setup. I'm interested in using your setup as a starting point for my new build, so please be as detailed as you can be. Thanks for the great review!

PBO in all fields 222 because it's quick to type and high enough, auto oc max, scalar max, CO -15 or -20, nothing special on memory

 

[medi01]

Rather have an i9 13900K...

Heating the room and stuff.

 

[samlebon2306]

i9 13900KS is still the king....

Ryzen 9 7950X3D vs. Core i9 13900KS - Heeft AMD of Intel de snelste gaming-cpu?

AMD en Intel beweren allebei de snelste gamingprocessor in huis te hebben, met de Ryzen 9 7950X3D en de Core i9 13900KS. Wie heeft nou écht de snelste?

tweakers.net

Yep, king of power consumption.

 

[Gica]

....

A very interesting test would be with an X3D 7000 + entry and mainstream video card versus a ryzen 5 7000 and/or i5 13000.
Entry in 1080p and mainstream in 1440p.
It would shatter many legends (eg: 6500XT + X3D = 30% FPS boost).
It is a virgin field for reviewers, no one has tested.

 

[jayjr1105]

Imaging having your processor be 50% efficiency cores while the competition is 100% performance cores and you still use 3 times the power.

 

[Xuper]

3 things that I was surprised.
One : Cyberpunk 2077 RT , Two : Mount Blade II : Bannerlord , Three : Doom Eternal
other test seems expected to be normal.
One :
7950X3D will perform better on any game with Heavy RT.
Two :
This is really strange. Why is slower than 5800X3D ?
Three :
5800x3d is 12% faster than 5800X but 7950x3d is on par with 7950x ,Reason ? also what's up with 7700X as top cpu on this chart?

Edit : Fixed CP RT Link.

 

[JustBenching]

3 things that I was surprised.
One : Cyberpunk 2077 RT , Two : Mount Blade II : Bannerlord , Three : Doom Eternal
other test seems expected to be normal.
One :
7950X3D will perform better on any game with Heavy RT.
Two :
This is really strange. Why is slower than 5800X3D ?
Three :
5800x3d is 12% faster than 5800X but 7950x3d is on par with 7950x ,Reason ? also what's up with 7700X as top cpu on this chart?

Take cyberpunk results with lots of grain of salts. I assume, ,based on framerate, he tested in front of V's apartment? Results don't line up with other reviews in this game

 

[kapone32]

Take cyberpunk results with lots of grain of salts. I assume, ,based on framerate, he tested in front of V's apartment? Results don't line up with other reviews in this game

Here comes the negativity wave

 

[W1zzard]

he tested in front of V's apartment?

no, i'm using gameplay in a street area .. well most of the game is "street", but you get the idea .. do these "other reviews" use the integrated benchmark by any chance?

Three

Two

These look like some scheduler issues with more than 8 cores, because:

https://tpucdn.com/review/ryzen-7800x3d-performance-preview/images/doom-eternal-1280-720.png

https://tpucdn.com/review/ryzen-7800x3d-performance-preview/images/bannerlord-1280-720.png

One

The image you posted is for RT off?

 

[hineighbor]

5800x3D is going to be relevant for a long, long time. Nice to be able to sit out a generation of something and not having to sweat it looking for sales and whatnot. At this point, I doubt even the 7800x3D is going to offer enough to get me excited.

 

[Sacrilege]

Incorrect yourself. Maybe actually read the review the next time. This is from the 3rd page.

https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph17641/130462.png

At 65w tdp the zen 4 part uses 90w. That is 40% more power


Again with the cooling... When will that game die?

Only fanboyism can explain someone repeating the same nonsensical argument

Perhaps you should (re?)read the 3rd page of the review, and I'd kindly suggest that you might like to try actually following your own earlier advice.

The paragraph below the image you lifted explains that they were restricting PPT.

Starting with the peak power figures, it's worth noting that AMD's figures can be wide off the mark even when restricting the Package Power Tracking (PPT) in the firmware. For example, restricting the socket and 7950X to 125 W yielded a measured power consumption that was still a whopping 33% higher. By comparison, the 13900K exceeded its set limits by around 14% under full load. In all cases though, this is still a significant power reduction versus their stock settings, especially in the case of the power-hungry i9-13900K.

A Lighter Touch: Exploring CPU Power Scaling On Core i9-13900K and Ryzen 9 7950X

www.anandtech.com

 

[JustBenching]

Perhaps you should (re?)read the 3rd page of the review, and I'd kindly suggest that you might like to try actually following your own earlier advice.

The paragraph below the image you lifted explains that they were restricting PPT.

A Lighter Touch: Exploring CPU Power Scaling On Core i9-13900K and Ryzen 9 7950X

www.anandtech.com

?? That's exactly what I said, that the 7950x used a lot more power than it's tdp suggests. What exactly are you objecting to?

 

[THU31]

So the original 7950X consumed 220 W to get the Cinebench win.

The X3D consumes 140 W, but it's not the fastest CPU anymore, which makes it completely worthless! You pay $100 more for a slower product, hahaha!

Efficiency is for noobs! Intel didn't need to bother releasing the 400 W 13900KS. AMD gave them the win for free!

Moar power!!!

 

[JustBenching]

Here comes the negativity wave

It's negative to point out that no other reviewer has seen such a huge difference in cyberpunk? OK man, if mentioning Facts makes you negative nowadays I'm happy to be negative.

 

[A Computer Guy]

?? That's exactly what I said, that the 7950x used a lot more power than it's tdp suggests. What exactly are you objecting to?

But hasn't that been the case for quite a while now? Why is it surprising TDP not equal to actual watts used?

 

[JustBenching]

But hasn't that been the case for quite a while now? Why is it surprising TDP not equal to actual watts used?

It's not surprising to me, it's surprising that people compared a 13900k at 35w pl2 vs a 7950x at 35w tdp and claim the latter is faster while not realizing it also draws a truckload more power.

no, i'm using gameplay in a street area .. well most of the game is "street", but you get the idea .. do these "other reviews" use the integrated benchmark by any chance?

Well your RT results in cyberpunk seems like you tested in a really cpu heavy scene, cause of how low the framerate is on 13900k / 12900k. But then the 3d is at 160+ fps which seems crazy to me, especially compared to other reviewers that also tested heavy scenes (purepc tested in toms dinner, heaviest area of the entire game).

 

[Sacrilege]

?? That's exactly what I said, that the 7950x used a lot more power than it's tdp suggests. What exactly are you objecting to?

You claimed the article was misleading as they were using TDP limits (long known that TDP does not equal power that it may as well be a trope) and were then corrected, as to the fact they were using PPT.
Your retort claimed that it was TDP, and that the poster was incorrect anf should read the article, yet failed to do so yourself - if you had you would have seen that you were incorrect.

So no, that not what you said. You misunderstood or misrepresented methodology.

 

[AnotherReader]

Well your RT results in cyberpunk seems like you tested in a really cpu heavy scene, cause of how low the framerate is on 13900k / 12900k. But then the 3d is at 160+ fps which seems crazy to me, especially compared to other reviewers that also tested heavy scenes (purepc tested in toms dinner, heaviest area of the entire game).

@W1zzard isn't the only one who reports the 7950X3D beating the 13900k in Cyberpunk. Computerbase also reports the same. Of course, the difference isn't as high as this review.

 

[kapone32]

It's negative to point out that no other reviewer has seen such a huge difference in cyberpunk? OK man, if mentioning Facts makes you negative nowadays I'm happy to be negative.

No just your sentiment towards anything AMD.

 

[JustBenching]

You claimed the article was misleading as they were using TDP limits (long known that TDP does not equal power that it may as well be a trope) and were then corrected, as to the fact they were using PPT.
Your retort claimed that it was TDP, and that the poster was incorrect anf should read the article, yet failed to do so yourself - if you had you would have seen that you were incorrect.

So no, that not what you said. You misunderstood or misrepresented methodology.

Τhe picture posted said 35w for both, which was clearly misleading since not both cpus were drawing the same power

@W1zzard isn't the only one who reports the 7950X3D beating the 13900k in Cyberpunk. Computerbase also reports the same. Of course, the difference isn't as high as this review.

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The difference in the review you posted is less than 5%. The difference in TPU is 27%. Do I really need to connect the dots? I mean why are people arguing about something so obvious is beyond me, but keep going, nevermind me

No just your sentiment towards anything AMD.

My sentiment towards AMD has nothing to do with what I said, which was a FACT. No other review shows a difference bigger than 3 to 8% in cyberpunk. CPU has it at 27%. Jesus christ amd defenders are just nuts.

 

[AnotherReader]

The difference in the review you posted is less than 5%. The difference in TPU is 27%. Do I really need to connect the dots? I mean why are people arguing about something so obvious is beyond me, but keep going, nevermind me

You need to read more carefully. I also commented that

Of course, the difference isn't as high as this review.

 

[JustBenching]

You need to read more carefully. I also commented that

If you knew the difference is nowhere near then why did you try to present it like what I was saying was wrong? I don't get it, sorry, maybe im slow

 

[AnotherReader]

If you knew the difference is nowhere near then why did you try to present it like what I was saying was wrong? I don't get it, sorry, maybe im slow

I think I misunderstood your complaint earlier. You were bothered by the magnitude of the difference; that's understandable. Moreover, in this scene, the 7950X and the 13900k are essentially equal so it's definitely different from other reviewers.

 

[grammar_phreak]

TPU is the first site I check for CPU reviews..... keep up the great work Wizzard