Biden-Harris Administration Launches First CHIPS for America Funding Opportunity

[ThrashZone]

This is government funding to bring back chip making to the USA. Sure you can criticize that the top 1% will get richer from getting incentives from Manufacturing more in the USA. You could also say that a bunch more USA workers have jobs and we're exporting important goods to boost our economy.

Hi,
Doubtful
Same people in office off shored these jobs to China....
With HB-1 visa's fruitful only a small percentage will be so called existing amarican hires this is how big business is done in the US when you hear tech coming back.

Also doubt we'll be exporting chips but yeah materials will likely be imported from same bad actor countries at high prices seeing the material chains are already set.
Environmentalist would have a issue with new mining here and face it Intel is the largest e-waste company on the planet.

 

[dragontamer5788]

Same people in office off shored these jobs to China....

China can't make the kinds of chips discussed in this newspost, let alone have jobs offshored over there from the USA.

This is an issue of Taiwan (TSMC) / Korean (Samsung) supremacy over the USA. They beat us, fair and square, at chipmaking. We need to do better.

The companies that "offshored" chipmaking to TSMC / Samsung are AMD, NVidia, Intel, Qualcomm (aka: Snapdragon), Microchip (microcontroller company, makes a lot of car parts). Notice: none of these are US Government or politicians. This was a free market choice because TSMC / Taiwan is the best at doing this (aka: 3nm right now).

 

[ThrashZone]

China can't make the kinds of chips discussed in this newspost, let alone have jobs offshored over there from the USA.

This is an issue of Taiwan (TSMC) / Korean (Samsung) supremacy over the USA. They beat us, fair and square, at chipmaking. We need to do better.

The companies that "offshored" chipmaking to TSMC / Samsung are AMD, NVidia, Intel, Qualcomm (aka: Snapdragon), Microchip (microcontroller company, makes a lot of car parts). Notice: none of these are US Government or politicians. This was a free market choice because TSMC / Taiwan is the best at doing this (aka: 3nm right now).

Hi,
Fair and square lol really
Have you noticed the labor wage difference at all looks like you didn't
I wasn't going to list all countries off shored to they were in the .... seeing many industries were off shored with so called "free trade"

 

[dragontamer5788]

Have you noticed the labor wage difference at all looks like you didn't

How Much Does TSMC Pay in 2024? (755 Salaries)

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TSMC pays their engineers $250,000 a year my man and have tons of $100,000+ positions. Taiwan is a very advanced nation, and TSMC is among the cream-of-the-crop, perhaps the most advanced company in the world.

I think you're confusing Taiwan with some other nation or something. I know its hard to keep track of all the little Asian nations, but Taiwan is a powerhouse in tech for a reason. We can't afford to underestimate an advanced economy like this, even of small nations. They're full of world-class PH.Ds and innovators on that little island of theirs.

IMO, its good for the USA to get its ass kicked in manufacturing like this and in technology, as long as we "wake up" and rise to the (friendly) challenge. Taiwan is a friendly nation, we can compete vs them in chipmaking. We can use them and leverage them as a rival to improve ourselves. There is nothing like a little bit of friendly competition to kickstart innovation again.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
I'm sure they were paying that well 20+ years ago to when everything was off shored

 

[dragontamer5788]

Hi,
I'm sure they were paying that well 20+ years ago to when everything was off shored

20+ years ago, TSMC reached 180nm first.

This Taiwan supremacy in chipmaking has been going on for decades. This is old news. Taiwan has pretty much always been really, really, really good at chipmaking.

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I don't know if we in the USA could ever beat Taiwan at their game of tech advancements. But we probably can beat them at mass production. Building out fabs a little bit after Taiwan figures out a process and then mass producing more chips than them 5 years later. Either way, its important to note that vs Taiwan, we're perpetually playing a game of catchup. They're good at this chipmaking business. Older process nodes are still used in automobiles, space, military, microcontrollers and other applications.

We can also focus on "lesser" chips, much like AMD's leverage of GloFo's 12nm process (which is Buffalo New York) as interposers or I/O chips to support the rest of the chiplets. And this "CHIPS" for America includes advanced packaging much like these interposers that have become so important to the chiplet strategy. If we can't win #1 at tech process, we can at least build the supporting infrastructure around the advanced chips here in the USA.

 

[the54thvoid]

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