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Crucial T700 PCIe 5.0 SSD Preview Unit Hits 12 GB/s Read and Write Speeds, May 2023 Release Hinted

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i'd wish we would work on software and hardware that can actually benefit from fast storage beside just raw file copy speed.
even forspoken a game with direct storage shows zero benefits from a half decade old gen 3 SSD vs a brand new 10GB/s gen 5 drive.View attachment 288330
Guessing from the time to load scenes 2-4 from SATA SSD they don't read more than 3.5 GB; that should be about or under 1 second for PCIe 3.0+ SSD. Seems like 2 to 3 seconds needed to load from PCIe 3.0/4.0/5.0 SSD are mostly spent on overhead, with differences in read speed hidden by overlapped I/O.

If you think about it, when you need to completely reload, say, 8 GB of data in VRAM and a few GB in system RAM, you should be able to do that in 3-4 seconds from PCIe 3.0 SSD; and probably 2-3 with DirectStorage compression. Everything else is just lack of optimization or overhead, filesystem (lots of small accesses instead of a few big sequential reads), inefficient/slow decompression, not doing enough things in parallel, overhead (e.g. drivers), plus time of game state reset.

Setting aside other issues with Forspoken, it looks like DirectStorage fell victim to... optimization and great performance.
I don't play a lot of games, but from my PCIe 3.0 SSD, in a few other AAA releases loading a save takes 10-20x the time Forspoken needs for the same (even when changing environment).
So I guess what happened is MS wanted to show off with DirectStorage, made the developer optimize, optimize and optimize some more. They shaved time from, say, 20 seconds to 2, then applied DirectStorage compression to reduce it to 1 second, made it smaller than CPU/GPU loading overhead... and it turned out that, on fast disks,
direct storage shows zero benefits
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Guessing from the time to load scenes 2-4 from SATA SSD they don't read more than 3.5 GB; that should be about or under 1 second for PCIe 3.0+ SSD. Seems like 2 to 3 seconds needed to load from PCIe 3.0/4.0/5.0 SSD are mostly spent on overhead, with differences in read speed hidden by overlapped I/O.

If you think about it, when you need to completely reload, say, 8 GB of data in VRAM and a few GB in system RAM, you should be able to do that in 3-4 seconds from PCIe 3.0 SSD; and probably 2-3 with DirectStorage compression. Everything else is just lack of optimization or overhead, filesystem (lots of small accesses instead of a few big sequential reads), inefficient/slow decompression, not doing enough things in parallel, overhead (e.g. drivers), plus time of game state reset.

Setting aside other issues with Forspoken, it looks like DirectStorage fell victim to... optimization and great performance.
I don't play a lot of games, but from my PCIe 3.0 SSD, in a few other AAA releases loading a save takes 10-20x the time Forspoken needs for the same (even when changing environment).
So I guess what happened is MS wanted to show off with DirectStorage, made the developer optimize, optimize and optimize some more. They shaved time from, say, 20 seconds to 2, then applied DirectStorage compression to reduce it to 1 second, made it smaller than CPU/GPU loading overhead... and it turned out that, on fast disks, "DirectStorage shows zero benefits" :)
Directstorage is necessary for future game development advancement. It's not critical today.
 

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is that the 118gb m.2 2280 (consumer-grade) ... uhh, 800p/805p?
980ti-bench3.jpg
 
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The takeaway I had from that particular LTT video was that faster NAND drives are pointless because the stats that matter for NVMe drives have remained stagnant despite sequential throughput and bandwidth increases.

...as I've been saying for years.
 
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Is 3x faster not an improvement? I understand 2 seconds vs 6 is marginal but game loading speeds are quick already, where do you need more speed if not working with large files?
Original poster is comparing PCIe gen3 SSD to PCIe gen5.

6 second stat is for SATA SSD, which cost practically the same as entry-level PCIe gen3 SSDs. The conclusion being :

- If you already have a PCIe gen3 SSD, no point upgrading.
- If you're coming from a SATA SSD or worse, just buy a PCIe gen3 SSD on the cheap because gen5 brings no additional benefit (for gaming).
 
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