AMD MB for 7800X3D (nvme sata for +70 euros)

[Klemc]

Hello TPU.

i'll buy a motherboard for the soon available 7800X3D CPU (title edited)

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I have an nvme Satas... to boots Windows... a 256go nvme gen4 is 70 bucks, so perhaps better to keep my 256go nvme Sata and buy a better MB (X).

Do i buy an nvme gen4 (Crucial P5/Fury renegade, 70 euro) to replace my nvme sata that boot Windows... in wich case i can put it (the nvme sata) in my other PC (that i will sell sooner or later and doesn't has any HDD/SSD).
EDIT: but i have 500go MX500 SSD for this old PC, i just have to put it out my DeskMini, so, i have an SSD for this PC in fact.

That means 70 euros more total, or, is the alternative less high-end MB (that don't have nvme sata support) a better alternative, knowing i, me, won't be in real O/C, but just use auto mode for memory and PCU from BIOS.

I list my current hardware here :
Airflow 4000D
RM1000x Shift (all new)
MB (to buy)
CPU (to buy)
Liquid Freezer II 280
DDR5 Renegade 6000-32 (all new)
nvme Sata 256go (BOOT)
nvme 2to
SSD 1x1TO 2x2TO
4070-ti PNY
...

I looked at Asus, higher-end models only have nvme Sata slot compatible :

TUF GAMING X670E-PLUS
PRIME X670E-PRO WIFI
** M.2_2 slot shares bandwidth with SATA6G_1&2. When M.2_2 runs at PCIe x4 mode, SATA6G_1&2 will be disabled. = i have 3 SSDs, it's the nvme sata that's shared !!
PRIME X670-P = no nvme sata

B650E-Strix (compare)
ALT = TUF GAMING B650-PLUS - ROG STRIX B650E-E GAMING WIFI
X670 (compare)

ALT is less high-end a(B650) and buy nvme gen4 for Windows BOOT (total price will be equal)

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Do i understand the share bandwith thingie ?..
.. only Strix B650-E I and E do not share any slot !? EDIT: found nfo : Lane sharing solely impacts PCIe 5.0 bandwidth for the slots (B650E-E).

I do not want I (minitx), so i'm interested only by E, 380+70 for nvme pcie x4 256go, lol.
So, i think B650E-E Strix will be my futue MB, i've more than one entire month before 7800X3D availability.

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PC part picker doesn't lists any M2 Sata drives (nvme sata) !! Strange.

 

[Klemc]

I've my internet connexion back (changed FAI), and so, i'll lask some few questions about my future config about MB thingies :

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MB is (will be) :

ASUS ROG STRIX B650E-E GAMING WIFI​

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CPU - (refer to attached image) :
for 7800X3D, will plug the two 8pin connectors instead of only one be safe (non overwattage or whatever ) ?

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AIO cooler's (Arctic Freezer II 280) MB install guide tells about FANs - (refer to attached image) :
CPU_FAN = Q-Fan
CPU_OPT = Q-Fan
&
AIO_PUMP = Full Speed

... so, instead of using AIO_PUMP (as recommended) if i plug AIO to CPU_FAN and the radiator to CPU_OPT, the two will have PWM, right !?!

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How i think to plug M2's (nothing in slot 3) - (refer to attached image) :
slot 1 - gen4 256go+ - Win BOOT
slot 2 - gen4 500go+ - page/temp and data files
slot 4 - gen3 2TO - games

Slot 4 is "B650 Chipset", all 3 others are "Ryzen CPU", what does it changes ?

I have to choose wich 2x pcie-gen4 nvme to buy too, also it's only in 500go, not less : Kingston KC3000, Kingston FURY Renegade, Crucial P5 Plus...??? others !!!...

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[thewan]

lot 4 is "B650 Chipset", all 3 others are "Ryzen CPU", what does it changes ?

There should be no difference. But your important drives should be connected directly to the CPU, the less important one can be connected to the chipset, so you are fine.


We can't help you to choose what to buy if you didn't tell us what country you are from.

I have to choose wich 2x pcie-gen4 nvme to buy too, also it's only in 500go, not less : Kingston KC3000, Kingston FURY Renegade, Crucial P5 Plus...??? others !!!...

The Crucial P5 Plus is an older Gen4 design. Only go for it if it is significantly cheaper than the other drives in your list. The KC3000 is a good choice, the FURY Renegade is about the same as a KC3000, buy whichever is cheaper.

PS:
I also would like to add from your first post:

M.2 => Connector and Form Factor
NVME => Protocol
SATA => Protocol
2280 => Size

There is no such thing as NVME SATA SSD. Its EITHER M.2 NVME SSD OR M.2 SATA SSD. Please do not get confused and do not confuse others.

 

[Klemc]

Allright, i could use the two CPU tied slots for the two Windows disks (referring to what i see while playing a game, i think Windows disk(s) will need more bandwith IDK why), and the third on the Chipset tied slot.
Anyway now i know what to do, i can change my mind about that to experiment placement. Thanks for the answer.

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I'm from France, i'm French, i'll buy on Amazon.fr.

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(links are TPU reviews)

About the two nvme, i could take a Fury R. (75 euros ps: amazon fluctuates ) and a KC3000 (71 euros), three are about same price (P5-Plus being 69 euros). PS: it's easy to open the two TPU links and compare the two "same" disks !!
Should be perfect once Windows Boots on FURY R. and KC3000 for Pagefile/TEMP & data storage...
... i couldn't find any good alternatives at this price (70 bucks).

FURY R. model is available without or with heatsing, i think no heatsink will be better to fit in MBoard placements .

I will be happy if nothing else is recommended and could buy it as soon as today/tomorrow, so it will let me with MBoard and CPU only to buy in april.

PCIe-gen4 / M-key / NVme / 2280

There is no such thing as NVME SATA SSD. Its EITHER M.2 NVME SSD OR M.2 SATA SSD. Please do not get confused and do not confuse others.

Sorry, i had an M.2 Sata, that i have to sell soon among other pieces of my actual PC, since it won't be compatible with the new MBoard... i never could tell how it's called, M.2+NVme+PCIe+Sata... allright, i'm well aware now

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Thanks for all, again !

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67e the KC3000 & 77e the FURY R.

Done !

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i think i'll keep my M.2-Sata as external, but just to be sure, they are all B+M (mine) or B only, but never M only keyed ? Right !

Because adaptors are only non-M-Key compatible... so =

https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B09SZQTG2F/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A1X6FK5RDHNB96&psc=1

 

[Klemc]

Since i have two Acronis's keys from Kingston PCIe4 NVMe boxes, if i uninstall all Intel drivers first (IME, chipset, realtek audio) and Nvidia GPU too, before turning off PC, then cloning should work right, yes ?

I think to put the M.2-Sata that i have actually Windows installed on (after drivers uninstall) in this USB case and clone it from here to the Fury-R. PCIe4 NVMe plugged onboard.

 

[Denver]

AMD B650 Motherboard Roundup: VRM Thermal Testing

For those wanting to jump on the AM5 platform while spending as little as possible, which affordable AMD B650 motherboards are the best? We'll be torture-testing eleven...

www.techspot.com

Maybe this will help you decide. But I wouldn't buy anything from Asus, their warranty/RMA is horrible.

 

[tabascosauz]

Since i have two Acronis's keys from Kingston PCIe4 NVMe boxes, if i uninstall all Intel drivers first (IME, chipset, realtek audio) and Nvidia GPU too, before turning off PC, then cloning should work right, yes ?

I think to put the M.2-Sata that i have actually Windows installed on (after drivers uninstall) in this USB case and clone it from here to the Fury-R. PCIe4 NVMe plugged onboard.

You should be clean installing, buddy. It's always a good idea even just migrating between AMD sockets and CPUs, let alone from 9th gen Intel.

The 7800X3D will not be as crucially dependent as the 7900X3D/7950X3D on firmware but all Ryzen since 3rd gen is still fundamentally reliant on good BIOS/AGESA, chipset drivers, and clean Windows to work properly.

Not even DDU is foolproof and not always gets things clean 100%. Just start clean, or you will still have to do it later. Use your other 2 SSDs to temporarily hold important files/software while you configure your boot drive.

Take a higher end B650E board over a lower end X670/X670E any day. There are lots of solid B650E boards. My pick would probably go to the B650E Master.

SATA drives will generally be B+M keyed. Board spec page should make it clear which slots accept SATA and which do not.

 

[P4-630]

Why buy a sata NVMe? For around 70 bucks you should be able to buy a Samsung 970 evo plus 1TB.....

 

[Klemc]

Why buy a sata NVMe? For around 70 bucks you should be able to buy a Samsung 970 evo plus 1TB.....

It's my 3 year's old one, that i will clone to the new, why ?.. because they were not hot like NVMe back in 2020 !!

sata NVMe :
You shouldn't tell that thingie like this (or this means that IDK), it has been told to me by thewan :

M.2 => Connector and Form Factor
NVME => Protocol
SATA => Protocol
2280 => Size

You should be clean installing, buddy. It's always a good idea even just migrating between AMD sockets and CPUs, let alone from 9th gen Intel.

The 7800X3D will not be as crucially dependent as the 7900X3D/7950X3D on firmware but all Ryzen since 3rd gen is still fundamentally reliant on good BIOS/AGESA, chipset drivers, and clean Windows to work properly.

Not even DDU is foolproof and not always gets things clean 100%. Just start clean, or you will still have to do it later. Use your other 2 SSDs to temporarily hold important files/software while you configure your boot drive.

Take a higher end B650E board over a lower end X670/X670E any day. There are lots of solid B650E boards. My pick would probably go to the B650E Master.

SATA drives will generally be B+M keyed. Board spec page should make it clear which slots accept SATA and which do not.

I'll do that, OKay, allright, i have done that since three years only once, last month lol (so, again) !!

The B650E-E Strix, that's what i think about, i will just look at the Master but for now i'm good with the one i'm interested in.

Yes, i had to unplug it and found about that it's B+M, now my old hardware is all ready in the old case (m2-Sata that i keep of course, it's a good one, will be in his B+M USB case) !!

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B650E Master

Nope, finally only 2 NVMe max, and i have 3 so Asus wins... or PCIe-1 x16 will become 8x on Master in that case

I'm lucky enough, it's the perfect card.

Maybe this will help you decide. But I wouldn't buy anything from Asus, their warranty/RMA is horrible.

I can't learn about B650-E-E Strix, so, it's good but it won't help me.

I can send back one of the two PCIe NVMe to Amazon and choose Master instead, but only if Asus VRM suck (like said on read article) on Strix B650+-E-E toon or anything else leading to the same result !!

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Si i read :
All these boards have VRMs capable of driving the 7950X, though they vary in quality (they are all technically more capable than this board, although we didn’t find Asus’ option lacking) : on this page :

Asus ROG Strix B650E-E Gaming Wi-Fi Review: More Affordable ROG

ROG Quality and looks, dual PCIe 5.0 M.2 sockets at a comparatively reasonable price

www.tomshardware.com

AND :
Out of this tight-knit group, our preference lays with the Gigabyte B650 Aorus Master, but really any of these competing boards will serve your purpose.

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Is there anything i don't underdstand ?:




MASTER:

Pros​

• +
  Four PCIe 5.0 M2 sockets
• +
  13 USB ports on Rear IO
• +
  M.2 and PCIe EZ-Latches

Cons​

• -
  Lacks 40 Gbps port(s)
• -
  Last-gen audio codec

STRIX:

Pros​

• +
  12 USB ports on Rear IO
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  Two PCIe 5.0 M2 sockets
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  Q-Release and Q-Latch for PCIe/M.2
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  ROG stying

Cons​

• -
  Lacks 40 Gbps ports

SO, four PCIe 5.0 M2 sockets permit 2 NVMe max or get 8x PCIE-1 x16 8x, and two PCIe 5.0 M2 sockets are able to handle 3 NVMe without share ?!!!!? BUt wazza !

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Mmmmmhhhhh, chipset, allright, so chipset number of NVMe can be counted/compared in advantages for review, but not CPU ones, and a MB not getting to 8x with with 3 NVMe instead 2 is not a point to advantage it over the other, well IDK, perhaps, or not.

 

[Klemc]

I decided to not install AMD iGPU driver at all.

 

[Klemc]

So, what to think of the firsts 7800x3d tests ?.. :

Test : AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D, le nouveau roi du gaming ?

Test du processeur AMD Ryzen 7800X3D qui va devenir la nouvelle référence pour une configuration gaming chez AMD.

overclocking.com

 

[kapone32]

So, what to think of the firsts 7800x3d tests ?.. :

Test : AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D, le nouveau roi du gaming ?

Test du processeur AMD Ryzen 7800X3D qui va devenir la nouvelle référence pour une configuration gaming chez AMD.

overclocking.com

That this chip is undisputed in Gaming and efficiency. If you are getting AM5 for Gaming this makes sense.

 

[P4-630]

So, what to think of the firsts 7800x3d tests ?.. :

Test : AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D, le nouveau roi du gaming ?

Test du processeur AMD Ryzen 7800X3D qui va devenir la nouvelle référence pour une configuration gaming chez AMD.

overclocking.com

I guess you like it... It's in your system specs already...

 

[Klemc]

It's not on Amazon, i can have it from TopAchat at 540 or MaterielNet at 600 euros, why price differences a lot ?.. is there a chance they are not same stepping ??

The question is, should i buy right now the 540 euros one and it will be the same of the other at 600 euros ?.. or should i wait it available on Amazon (France) ?

Got it, and the MB too.

 

[kapone32]

It's not on Amazon, i can have it from TopAchat at 540 or MaterielNet at 600 euros, why price differences a lot ?.. is there a chance they are not same stepping ??

The question is, should i buy right now the 540 euros one and it will be the same of the other at 600 euros ?.. or should i wait it available on Amazon (France) ?

Got it, and the MB too.

There are price differences between retailers get whatever one is cheaper the binning process for most retailers is a lottery.

 

[Klemc]

OKay, so that's the BIOS available, i will apply 1224 ?.. or should i better wait 1410 is out of bêta state ?

7800X3D is "working/validated since all bios versions" of the B650E-E motherboard !!! So i'm not in a hurry to update, right ?

Version 1410 Version bêta
9.17 MB 2023/03/30
0. Beta BIOS
1. Update AGESA version to ComboAM5PI 1.0.0.6
2. Supports high density DDR5 module
3. TPM 2.0 security update

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Version 1224
9.14 MB 2023/03/28
Improve memory compatibility

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Spoiler

Version 1222
9.14 MB 2023/02/24
1. Update AGESA version to ComboAM5PI 1.0.0.5 patch C
2. Improve better performance for AMD new CPUs

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Version 0821
9.09 MB 2022/11/18
1. Update AGESA version to ComboAM5PI 1.0.0.3 patch A + D
2. Improve DRAM compatibility
3. Improve system performance

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Version 0809
9.09 MB 2022/10/25
1. Update AGESA version to ComboAM5PI 1.0.0.3 patch A
2. Improve system performance and stability
3. Improve GPU compatibility for GeForce RTX 40 series

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Version 0613
9.1 MB 2022/09/26
Update AGESA PI 1002 to improver system compatibility

 

[Klemc]

About my RAM, it's XMP's version, his EXPO's alternative is also in QVL :

https://www.kingston.com/datasheets/KF560C32RSK2-32.pdf

https://www.kingston.com/datasheets/KF560C36BBEK2-32.pdf

So, anything to know about XMP only for a B650E-E (AMD 600) motherboard ?

OKay, there is 32 Vs. 36

 

[Klemc]

So, there is three D.OC.P modes, i tried first the 3rd aka "tweaked", it worked, after i loaded I, not tried II, but it worked too, thanks tabascosauz for the RAM recommendation.

Oh, and the Twaeked has a different nmae in desciption but looks to boot faster...