Most Popular Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060, Steam Hardware Survey

[Robin Seina]

big fan of nazi's huh?

Don't have a better argument? From the whole message you take on this bait. Interesting. I am not a big fan of Nazis, since they planned to move/kill my nation. But their propagandist man had a few interesting statements.

 

[dirtyferret]

Don't have a better argument? I am not a big fan of Nazis, since they planned to move/kill my nation. But their propagandist man had a few interesting statements.

I made my statement previously, now I'm just going by the facts.

 

[64K]

Why is this even a newsworthy? Until Valve releases precise methodology, its "statistics" cannot be taken seriously.

What we do not know:
method of choosing sample (various leaks through years suggests that choosing process is biased)
size of the sample
mean and median
sample standard deviation
coefficient of deviation
reliability coefficient

What is a "statistics" for, if you don't have access to raw data? Only for propaganda.

"The only statistics you can trust are those you falsified yourself" - Joseph Goebbels

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Those chosen might be biased by Steam but it is irrelevant because anyone can choose to take the survey whether Steam chooses them or not.

With Steam running, press the Windows key and "R"
Then copy and enter this:
steam://takesurvey/1/
Ignore the name of the game on the first line; it doesn't matter, it works the same.


The reason you sometimes see large fluctuations in the stats is because usually gamers only take the survey when they have upgraded hardware. There's no point in taking the Survey if your hardware hasn't changed.

The Survey scans your PC and collects your stats automatically so nothing can be falsified.

 

[Robin Seina]

Those chosen might be biased by Steam but it is irrelevant because anyone can choose to take the survey whether Steam chooses them or not.

With Steam running, press the Windows key and "R"
Then copy and enter this:
steam://takesurvey/1/
Ignore the name of the game on the first line; it doesn't matter, it works the same.


The reason you sometimes see large fluctuations in the stats is because usually gamers only take the survey when they have upgraded hardware. There's no point in taking the Survey if your hardware hasn't changed.

The Survey scans your PC and collects your stats automatically so nothing can be falsified.

Tried that. However it freezes on sending data. A mini window with "sending data" message pops-up. And nothing happens... after a while (10 minutes) you must click storno (zrušit in Czech), to be able to use steam. So there's a problem even with a manual process, since my steam version is current and yes, I've tried to restart Steam a repeated the process.

So there are two ways to falsify Steam HW survey - it does not pop-up automatically anytime the PC configuration changes, is not mandatory and even if you call it manually, it does not mean the data get sent. And as stated above, data processing is suspected too.

 

[P4-630]

Why get fed up about this, who cares anyway.....
If you are happy with your current system, good.
Or just upgrade if you got that itching...

 

[64K]

Tried that. However it freezes on sending data. A mini window with "sending data" message pops-up. And nothing happens... after a while (10 minutes) you must click storno (zrušit in Czech), to be able to use steam. So there's a problem even with a manual process, since my steam version is current and yes, I've tried to restart Steam a repeated the process.

So there are two ways to falsify Steam HW survey - it does not pop-up automatically anytime the PC configuration changes, is not mandatory and even if you call it manually, it does not mean the data get sent. And as stated above, data processing is suspected too.

It works for me and it works quickly. There is no need to notify you that your stats have been collected. Why would they bother?

Why would Steam monitor your hardware and pop up the Survey automatically if you upgraded hardware? Steam doesn't monitor anything in your PC without your permission. Why would they?

Why in the world would Valve want to falsify the data anyway? What would they have to gain?

Before you get around to accusing gamers of taking the survey 1,000 times to skew results I will go ahead and head that one off right now. You have to be signed into your account to take the Survey for that reason. To prevent abuse of the Survey. You can take the Survey a thousand times but if your hardware hasn't changed then only 1 Survey will be recorded.

 

[dirtyferret]

So there are two ways to falsify Steam HW survey - it does not pop-up automatically anytime the PC configuration changes, is not mandatory and even if you call it manually, it does not mean the data get sent. And as stated above, data processing is suspected too.

not a single thing you said there was true, you simply lied in order to make your point. STEAM does not have to be mandatory for it to have statistical data, basic stats 101 if you ever took the class.

Why get fed up about this, who cares anyway.....
If you are happy with your current system, good.
Or just upgrade if you got that itching...

but then how can I justify my pc parts and make myself feel superior to other people? how?? I need to manipulate this data profile of various PCs and laptops to somehow confirm every single part in my PC as both elite and the right part chosen. I mean sure your way has common sense to it but stating basic math as junk science seems to be the right call to action in this scenario.

 

[Robin Seina]

not a single thing you said there was true, you simply lied in order to make your point. STEAM does not have to be mandatory for it to have statistical data, basic stats 101 if you ever took the class.

Accusations without a proof? Guess who lies here. I am just telling the truth. Here is a screeshot - this is all that happens, till I click on "Zrušit/Storno".

And no, it does not have to be mandatory to collect data, but in that case, you have publicize a method of selecting samples. Valve does not.

 

[dirtyferret]

but in that case, you have publicize a method of selecting samples. Valve does not.

they don't need to, it's their survey. you have no rights to their method nor have they ever stated their method was the end all be all or should be used for any statement on the PC gaming industry. They clearly state the survey is for their internal use.

 

[Robin Seina]

they don't need to, it's their survey. you have no rights to their method nor have they ever stated their method was the end all be all or should be used for any statement on the PC gaming industry. They clearly state the survey is for their internal use.

If you ever tried to publicize any scientific article, you know, that you have to state you the way you statistically processed your data, including a method of choosing samples. The purpose is that your experiments can be exactly repeated under same conditions. That is why we have no perpetum mobile or cold fusion today.
If Valve wants their statistic (Steam HW Survey) to be taken seriously, they have to publicize method of choosing sample and other statistical details. Otherwise, their statistics are NOTHING BUT propaganda.

 

[64K]

If you ever tried to publicize any scientific article, you know, that you have to state you the way you statistically processed your data, including a method of choosing samples. The purpose is that your experiments can be exactly repeated under same conditions. That is why we have no perpetum mobile or cold fusion today.
If Valve wants their statistic (Steam HW Survey) to be taken seriously, they have to publicize method of choosing sample and other statistical details. Otherwise, their statistics are NOTHING BUT propaganda.

Propaganda?

I'm trying to understand where you're coming from but I can't. The reason the 3060 went to the top of the chart is because a lot of gamers upgraded probably buying from the glut of used cards for sale since mining took a major downturn.

Tell me how Valve could possibly benefit from reporting the uptick in 3060s on the Survey if it weren't true. They don't sell 3060s. They have absolutely no reason to falsify anything.

 

[Robin Seina]

Propaganda?

I'm trying to understand where you're coming from but I can't. The reason the 3060 went to the top of the chart is because a lot of gamers upgraded probably buying from the glut of used cards for sale since mining took a major downturn.

Tell me how Valve could possibly benefit from reporting the uptick in 3060s on the Survey if it weren't true. They don't sell 3060s. They have absolutely no reason to falsify anything.

I am coming from a point of scientific method, any news who gets what is total rubbish if you don't know the way data are collected and processed.
Also we don't know a corporate backgrounds. I am no conspiracy theorist. There might and might not be any deals running between HW manufactures, SW publisher and selling platforms. I have no data on that, so I won't speculate.
But that Valve does not want to disclose raw data is telling. If there is nothing going on, what is to be afraid of? Those are HW infos, not sensitive information on sold copies, that SteamSpy provided initially.

 

[64K]

I am coming from a point of scientific method, any news who gets what is total rubbish if you don't know the way data are collected and processed.
Also we don't know a corporate backgrounds. I am no conspiracy theorist. There might and might not be any deals running between HW manufactures, SW publisher and selling platforms. I have no data on that, so I won't speculate.
But that Valve does not want to disclose raw data is telling. If there is nothing going on, what is to be afraid of? Those are HW infos, not information on sold copies, that SteamSpy provided initially.

If Steam were selling the Survey then that could be reason for suspicion but they are not. There is no proof of collusion with Nvidia. Until someone can offer a shred of evidence that they are then why even suspect collusion?

The bottom line is that Steam has been around for a long time and they know what they are doing.

 

[evernessince]

Those chosen might be biased by Steam but it is irrelevant because anyone can choose to take the survey whether Steam chooses them or not.

With Steam running, press the Windows key and "R"
Then copy and enter this:
steam://takesurvey/1/
Ignore the name of the game on the first line; it doesn't matter, it works the same.

That anyone can force the survey kind of makes the results irrelevant in the first place. It's not a survey if the respondents can elect to choose themselves as a participant. It makes any effort selecting a random sample (assuming steam even goes through great length for that) irrelevant. Anyone that wants to manipulate those results could on request.

The Survey scans your PC and collects your stats automatically so nothing can be falsified.

Took me a whole 5 seconds to get windows to think I have a processor that doesn't exist. There's also VMs, dual boot systems (is this system counted twice), and of course net cafes.

 

[64K]

Took me a whole 5 seconds to get windows to think I have a processor that doesn't exist. There's also VMs, dual boot systems (is this system counted twice), and of course net cafes.

Do you really believe that the average gamer can do what you did? If so then show me the fake processor results on the Survey.

The point is that you can't be counted twice. You have to sign into your account no matter where you do it from. The results are tied to your account. I suppose you could make multiple accounts on Steam and use some means to skew results but who the hell would bother with that? Valve has thought this through and the Survey is a free service that they don't make a penny from. Why would anyone expect Valve to strive for a professional scientific survey? I don't but it does give at least some indication what gamers are using to game with.

 

[Lew Zealand]

The reason the 3060 went to the top of the chart is because a lot of gamers upgraded probably buying from the glut of used cards for sale since mining took a major downturn.

And those same gamers all decided to start speaking Chinese instead of previous majority English and every other language?

That assumtion fails a simple logic test when you look at all the other differences between this month's Steam Survey and the noisy, near-useless data from all previous months. Steam just upped their game this month with the most useless survey responses in recent memory.

 

[dirtyferret]

If you ever tried to publicize any scientific article, you know, that you have to state you the way you statistically processed your data, including a method of choosing samples. The purpose is that your experiments can be exactly repeated under same conditions. That is why we have no perpetum mobile or cold fusion today.
If Valve wants their statistic (Steam HW Survey) to be taken seriously, they have to publicize method of choosing sample and other statistical details. Otherwise, their statistics are NOTHING BUT propaganda.

once again you fail to understand the basics of it and make stuff up to push your inaccurate point

the STEAM survey is not a publized scientific article so everything after that in your statement is false since your statement begins with a false assumption

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
What's all the fuss about it shows the big narrow picture

 

[dirtyferret]

I am coming from a point of scientific method,

no you are not and all your assumptions are proven inaccurate

 

[evernessince]

Do you really believe that the average gamer can do what you did? If so then show me the fake processor results on the Survey.

The point is that you can't be counted twice. You have to sign into your account no matter where you do it from. The results are tied to your account. I suppose you could make multiple accounts on Steam and use some means to skew results but who the hell would bother with that? Valve has thought this through and the Survey is a free service that they don't make a penny from. Why would anyone expect Valve to strive for a professional scientific survey? I don't but it does give at least some indication what gamers are using to game with.

The problem is that there is a history of steam more than doubling counting, we've all see the articles on steam's net cafe issue. The same machine could be counted hundreds of times depending on the number of users that logged into steam on the system. Assuming that the survey results are tied to your account, this means that anytime you log into your account from different hardware, said hardware has a high chance of being counted whether or not it's your machine or not. I have personally been polled almost every upgrade I've gotten (HDDs don't seem to trigger it, at least from what I've experienced).

I don't think steam should have to uphold it's survey to scientific standards if it does not want to. The problem is that many news websites use it as if it is. IMO a disclaimer at the top of the survey in bold stating that said data may not be an accurate representation of the market and should not be used as a basis of any factual conclusion would suffice or something to that effect. I feel that is fair to all parties.

 

[64K]

The problem is that there is a history of steam more than doubling counting, we've all see the articles on steam's net cafe issue. The same machine could be counted hundreds of times depending on the number of users that logged into steam on the system. Assuming that the survey results are tied to your account, this means that anytime you log into your account from different hardware, said hardware has a high chance of being counted whether or not it's your machine or not. I have personally been polled almost every upgrade I've gotten (HDDs don't seem to trigger it, at least from what I've experienced).

I don't think steam should have to uphold it's survey to scientific standards if it does not want to. The problem is that many news websites use it as if it is. IMO a disclaimer at the top of the survey in bold stating that said data may not be an accurate representation of the market and should not be used as a basis of any factual conclusion would suffice or something to that effect. I feel that is fair to all parties.

Steam doesn't spy on you. That's Microsoft that you are thinking of. Steam doesn't automatically poll your hardware every time you log onto your account. They ask for your permission occasionally to take the survey. I have been around for a long time and you are the only person that I have ever met that was being asked to participate in the Survey every time they changed their hardware. There is something extremely strange about your account if that is really happening to you.

 

[zlobby]

I'll casually drop this here.

 

[SOAREVERSOR]

Hi,
What's all the fuss about it shows the big narrow picture

Same fus as always with the Steam survey it's all medium nvidia cards at the top trailed by lower end ones and the CPUs are mid range as well and shatters the entire master race myth or that AMD is really in the GPU game.

 

[95Viper]

Stop the insults.
Have a civil discussion.

 

[evernessince]

Steam doesn't spy on you. That's Microsoft that you are thinking of. Steam doesn't automatically poll your hardware every time you log onto your account. They ask for your permission occasionally to take the survey. I have been around for a long time and you are the only person that I have ever met that was being asked to participate in the Survey every time they changed their hardware. There is something extremely strange about your account if that is really happening to you.

?? I never said they did. No idea how you got that response from my prior comment.