Intel "Raptor Lake Refresh" to Retain 13th Gen Core Branding

[Max(IT)]

Or maybe it's time for Intel to pull an AMD move and announce that running a constant 100 °C is intended by design.

That’s BS e we knew since the beginning.
Just take a look at X3D CPU’s behavior, where concerns about cache imposed lower voltages and clock speed. High efficiency and low temperatures.
Both Intel and AMD just tried to squeeze every last drop of performance out of their products, for marketing reasons, using high voltage and clock speed. We can have much more efficient CPUs manually adjusting power limits and voltages, “losing” just a few percentage of performance (in some specific tasks).

But you know, they need a longer bar on a comparison graph, to expose during presentations…

 

[AusWolf]

That’s BS e we knew since the beginning.
Just take a look at X3D CPU’s behavior, where concerns about cache imposed lower voltages and clock speed. High efficiency and low temperatures.
Both Intel and AMD just tried to squeeze every last drop of performance out of their products, for marketing reasons, using high voltage and clock speed. We can have much more efficient CPUs manually adjusting power limits and voltages, “losing” just a few percentage of performance (in some specific tasks).

But you know, they need a longer bar on a comparison graph, to expose during presentations…

I know, I was only joking.

Even my 7700X runs at 91-92 °C in Cinebench all-core with the default power target (142 W PPT). It's only that it needs a 280 mm AIO to do that. So yeah, you don't have to run Zen 4 at 95 °C. All you need is the biggest cooler you can afford, and/or manually adjusted power targets.

With that said, I honestly believe, and will defend this notion to the death, that non-X AMD or non-K Intel is the way to go.

 

[Max(IT)]

I know, I was only joking.

Even my 7700X runs at 91-92 °C in Cinebench all-core with the default power target (142 W PPT). It's only that it needs a 280 mm AIO to do that. So yeah, you don't have to run Zen 4 at 95 °C. All you need is the biggest cooler you can afford, and/or manually adjusted power targets.

With that said, I honestly believe, and will defend this notion to the death, that non-X AMD or non-K Intel is the way to go.

That’s true, especially for AMD.
Unfortunately Intel sometimes put weird limitations on “non-K” CPU, but on principle I agree.

 

[H4zelnut]

AM5 is terribly unaffordable, motherboards are almost twice as expensive as AM4 motherboards, DDR5 memory costs 50% more than DDR4 and Ryzen 5700X sells for almost half the price of 7700. my i7-8700 is getting a bit outdated but I have no idea what I should upgrade to. for now I plan to wait for 14th gen and maybe then prices of AM5 and current gen Intel motherboards will go down but I guess the days of getting a decent motherboard for 100 USD are over

 

[R0H1T]

That's old news, AM5 mobos (except high end ones) are reasonably affordable given you are also paying extra for future proofing.

If you want to stay on AM4/ddr4 then older gen AMD is still perfectly fine, anything new & AM5 wins hands down IMO.

 

[AusWolf]

AM5 is terribly unaffordable, motherboards are almost twice as expensive as AM4 motherboards, DDR5 memory costs 50% more than DDR4 and Ryzen 5700X sells for almost half the price of 7700. my i7-8700 is getting a bit outdated but I have no idea what I should upgrade to. for now I plan to wait for 14th gen and maybe then prices of AM5 and current gen Intel motherboards will go down but I guess the days of getting a decent motherboard for 100 USD are over

I'd probably keep the 8700 until AM4 is out of stores, forcing AM5 prices drop a bit. Intel might also have some decent offers by then. The 8700 still isn't unusable by far, imo.

 

[Wirko]

AM5 is terribly unaffordable, motherboards are almost twice as expensive as AM4 motherboards, DDR5 memory costs 50% more than DDR4 and Ryzen 5700X sells for almost half the price of 7700. my i7-8700 is getting a bit outdated but I have no idea what I should upgrade to. for now I plan to wait for 14th gen and maybe then prices of AM5 and current gen Intel motherboards will go down but I guess the days of getting a decent motherboard for 100 USD are over

Even if you go Intel, would you build a new DDR4 system in 2023? If prices of DDR5 memory and mobos (not just AMD but Intel as well) are still putting you off, it's better to wait a bit more right now.