NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Founders Edition

[Makaveli]

R9 Fury X buyers will have a word with you on that one.

I sat on a rx580 for 5 years

 

[nguyen]

Yeah yeah, that's clearly why I managed to game at 4k for 5 years right , by choosing wise.

99.8% buy when dead to them IE useless.

.02% buy as your suggesting soooo there is that about your perspective that's wrong.

You can doesn't equal the masses will OR SHOULD.

I reiterate I don't buy EWaste on purpose, and I try to avoid such.

Lol, I sell my old GPU and there are people buying them to play game, e-waste? Hardly.

You are just coping so hard for falling resale price right now.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Yeah yeah, that's clearly why I managed to game at 4k for 5 years right , by choosing wise.

99.8% buy when dead to them IE useless.

.02% buy as your suggesting soooo there is that about your perspective that's wrong.

You can doesn't equal the masses will OR SHOULD.

I reiterate I don't buy EWaste on purpose, and I try to avoid such.

People can game at 4k on a RX 580 technically so are you trying to say we all should?

I sat on a rx580 for 5 years

AMD did rebrand it 3 times so that is not surprising. Maybe even 4 times if you consider the 570 version of it lol....

 

[Vayra86]

For me at least assuming both cards perform similarly I would still go with the one that consumes less power assuming all other performance metrics where equal like RT performance etc

I have no issue with my 4090 consuming 400w of power but I would have issues with a 6950XT using 350w and giving me it's performance in 2023 it has nothing to do with what they actually consume and more to do with what I'm getting in return for that power consumption

Same with the 4070 vs the 6800XT what am I getting for that extra 100w... much less RT performance, worse upscaling, but an extra 4GB of vram for me it isn't worth the 100 usd ish savings to others it might be.

I'm not talking about 2020 or even 2021 when most likely bought these cards if you got it this year that kinda sucks but at least you got a big discount.

Spot on... its about return on investment essentially

 

[btk2k2]

Radeon’s resale value is very low.
I had a 2070 Super and a 5700XT. One year and a half ago I sold both and was super easy for the 2070 but a real PITA to sell the Radeon. I had to lower very much my initial request (already quite low since the beginning).

You mis timed it quite badly then because the 5700XT was selling for more than scalped 6700XT prices for quite a while.

 

[izy]

Founders Edition seems to have the highest Max Power limit and best performance for some reason ^_^

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Here's a take, following that logic, by buying AMD you buy e-Waste, point in case, Nvidia aren't the ones abandoning their graphics cards after barely 5 years. R9 Fury X buyers will have a word with you on that one.

Both have exceptions, I didn't buy or support the Fury's your chatting rubbish let's strive to get away from AMD eh y'all keep going back to it again.


Did I say you should only buy AMD, no.

I just would save more and not buy this.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

You mis timed it quite badly then because the 5700XT was selling for more than scalped 6700XT prices for quite a while.

A couple of buddies of mine sold their 5700XT during the mining boom/pandemic for over 900 usd and picked up a 6800XTs for like 12-1300.....

 

[sethmatrix7]

Obviously they are testing the market. +55% 2070 to 3070, now + 26% performance 3070 to 4070. But as we know, after a weak generation comes a strong generation and then again a regression to the means.


+100 Watts it is then, for no good reason.

By the time AIB boards actually hit the market it will be $100 cheaper for the 6800XT…

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

you should stop downloading cracked games beacuse:
a) it's the reason PC gaming is slowly dying
b) people working on those games need to be paid
c) it's illegal

I'm really not worried about some C-suite in some multi billion dollar entertainment conglomerate getting another yacht. Developers are not going to get paid more if a game is successful, its part of the reason burnout is so high and why so many go on to make games on their own time.

Also LOL at PC gaming dying. Yes, Im sure the platform that set new records for the number of active players is "dying".

I never understand why people care so much what others purchase like he is paying your Energy bills.

My biggest issue is people post about the energy usage of a GPU, then complain about the electricity cost, oblivious to the cost of the GPU itself, the wasteful nature of playing video games, and the cost of said games.

Its like a ferrari owner buying a new ferrari then whining that gas is $4 a gallon.

As for no good reason time will tell I would have a concern with buying a 12GB gpu today.

12GB will be fine. Consoles have 16GB, typically 10-12 is used for graphics. It's mainly the 8GB nvidia cards having VRAM issues now. 12GB cards will serve fine until a year or two after the PS6 comes out, at which point the GPU will be half a decade old.

I think power use is yet another factor that should definitely weigh in on the total cost of the deal. Its cost of ownership after all that matters.

The elephant in the room is RDNA2 versus 3. That's a huge efficiency gap there. Similarly, and even more so, Ampere vs Ada.

I stand by my previous statements, if the worst case scenario of $50 a year in electricity is a dealbreaker for your $600+ luxury GPU purchase, you cant afford a $600 GPU and shouldnt be spending so much time on gaming, a purely wasteful hobby that is costly to get into and maintain. If you are that worried, then none of these GPUs should be an option, you should be using a RX 6500-RTX 3050 tier card and sticking to sub 1080p low settings, since it uses less power and it doesnt change the gameplay at all.

Gaming GPUs like this are a pure luxury. Games are $70+ each now, and $50 a year on power is a deal breaker? I guess its very American for people to way outspend on a luxury hobby, but most people worried about this shouldnt be wasting money on computers in the first place.

 

[Makaveli]

A couple of buddies of mine sold their 5700XT during the mining boom/pandemic for over 900 usd and picked up a 6800XTs for like 12-1300.....

This is the way!

 

[sethmatrix7]

you should stop downloading cracked games beacuse:
a) it's the reason PC gaming is slowly dying
b) people working on those games need to be paid
c) it's illegal


interesting indeed, as it is a demonstration on how the user base of this forum is not a good representation about the real world scenario... In a few months the 4070 will sell more than all the Radeon included in that list, aggregated.

You’re right- the people on this forum are generally much more informed than the average person.

 

[Vayra86]

You do realize that people who buy 4070 can just sell it after 2 years and buy the next 600usd GPU that are faster and more power efficient right? no one is forced to keep using one GPU for a long time, unless the resale price fell into the gutter.

Future proofing electronic is kinda a scam

Yeah except on that cadence buying gpus right now, with the rather small gen-to-gen same tier/price movement, thats a superb way to waste a LOT of money. This scheme works if you are ready to wait for the best timing. You suggest here to spend in the course of two years what I will spend in 6...

The absolute cost of a gpu was at least half of what is now, too, we used to have x70 at 400 bucks. So any move you make is going to net cost more anyway.

Future proofing isnt a scam, its smart. Tech doesnt depreciate that fast anymore, we are solid in the land/era of diminishing returns.

you should stop downloading cracked games beacuse:
a) it's the reason PC gaming is slowly dying
b) people working on those games need to be paid
c) it's illegal


interesting indeed, as it is a demonstration on how the user base of this forum is not a good representation about the real world scenario... In a few months the 4070 will sell more than all the Radeon included in that list, aggregated.

You're delusional if you think piracy kills or ever killed PC gaming or gaming on any platform. Thats the cue of publishers, not of reality. People have been spending more on gaming YoY ever since the bloody Commodore. Its now a multi decade growth market and even just PC gaming revenue is stable in an ever more competitive market. It will never go away. It will change over time, at best (worst?).

 

[Dr. Dro]

Both have exceptions, I didn't buy or support the Fury's your chatting rubbish let's strive to get away from AMD eh y'all keep going back to it again.


Did I say you should only buy AMD, no.

I just would save more and not buy this.

I mean I had two The only reason I wasn't miffed beyond belief on its premature driver support end is that they were both cheap for me, and weren't my main cards, as I also had the two generations of Vega hardware that succeeded it. But some people weren't so lucky.

Nvidia may be greedy, but they haven't pulled one like that yet. It's not like AMD also doesn't repeatedly do anti-consumer things, like unlaunching the 5700X and withholding its first production batch for over a year, to relaunch it as a second wave product and capitalize on fans eager to adopt Zen 3 by pushing the more expensive 5800X on them. Or the outright fabricated lies about Zen 3 on X370, denying an AGESA update for over a year to these folks, going as far as sending cease and desist letters to the folks at AsRock who made it work without their help anyway. Or Threadripper TRX40 platform being abandoned after a single generation, with the company's official stance being "we pretend that platform doesn't exist". Or the still existing driver issues with Vega Frontier Edition. Or their inaction towards Chinese counterfeit Polaris GPUs. I could go on... That's just a list that came off my head as I dwelled on the subject.

That's what I've been trying to get at. Neither company are your friends and AMD's not better than Nvidia when it comes to making use of a position of leadership to make money.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Yeah except on that cadence buying gpus right now, with the rather small gen-to-gen same tier/price movement, thats a superb way to waste a LOT of money. This scheme works if you are ready to wait for the best timing. You suggest here to spend in the course of two years what I will spend in 6...

The absolute cost of a gpu was at least half of what is now, too, we used to have x70 at 400 bucks. So any move you make is going to net cost more anyway.

Future proofing isnt a scam, its smart. Tech doesnt depreciate that fast anymore, we are solid in the land/era of diminishing returns.


You're delusional if you think piracy kills or ever killed PC gaming or gaming on any platform. Thats the cue of publishers, not of reality. People have been spending more on gaming YoY ever since the bloody Commodore.

What's worked best for me is a 4 year plan with 2 systems

2 years at 4k and 2 years at 1440p

I sell the gpu from the 1440p system when the 4k systems gpu gets replaced every 2 years ish...

Prior to 4k really being a thing I did 1440p to 1080p but same gameplan.

This has served me pretty well for the last decade but I know for most it's probably unrealistic.

 

[R0H1T]

Nvidia may be greedy, but they haven't pulled one like that yet.

Yeah then you haven't dealt with NVIDIA much then, or Intel, or Apple or any number of carmakers!

Or the outright fabricated lies about Zen 3 on X370

What lies? If you mean they backtracked initially on 3 gens of support on x370 ~ they took it back, swiftly.

like unlaunching the 5700X and withholding its first production batch for over a year

From what I recall they had yield(?) issues.

Or Threadripper TRX40 platform being abandoned after a single generation, with the company's official stance being "we pretend that platform doesn't exist".

Yes that was generally bad.

denying an AGESA update for over a year to these folks, going as far as sending cease and desist letters to the folks at AsRock who made it work without their help anyway.

Any (good)links to this?

Neither company are your friends and AMD's not better than Nvidia when it comes to making use of a position of leadership to make money.

Yes, so save your money! Simple no?

 

[chrcoluk]

Uses the RT chart as an example, LMAO! Because that's the only scenario where it's taking the cake (besides low power consumption). Expected really some more objectivity from a "Staff Member".

Also depends on who is testing what. Just look a Linus's review. In his review the 2.5 years old (!) AMD 6800XT is totally smoking the 4070 in pure rasterization. 1080p = 14% faster, 1440p = 9% faster, 4K = 10% faster! And not to forget the 7900XT for just 170€ more, running circles around the 4700, even in "ray traced glory".

Ray tracing performance doesn't even matter because of the low performance of the card it becomes unplayable anyways. The low power consumption on the other hand is great, but it becomes meaningless because of the high price of the card. If you get the 6800XT for let's say 200€ (used ones go for way less) cheaper than the 4070 you have to play for 5.5 years (!) to make up for it (3hrs gaming a day). And that's a steep calculation with 33.5 €cents per KW, any other place power is way cheaper.

TL;DR: the card is really good. It's not a shoe box like the 4090, 4080 & 4070Ti, it fits in every case. Power consumption is great. Price is just horrible. Avoid for now. Wait for AMD 7800/XT. Might be the way better deal or at least put some pressure on Nvidia's consumer shafting price structure.

Yeah so selling point is more power efficiency, extra 2 gigs VRAM, AV1 encoding, and DLSS3.

Of course as he pointed out the vast majority of the PC gaming library doesnt support DLSS and probably never will.

I would love to buy expansion VRAM for my 3080 plus a AV1 encoding device, then would probably be happy with my 3080 for a long time. Encoding on my 3080 is painful.

Do you feel that using MSRP (HUB) is a better approach for such an analysis than current pricing (me)?

Also looks like HUB used DLSS3 for that performance per dollar graph. I disagree with that.

MSRP is still enforced in Asia for both Nvidia/AMD, so TPU pricing is wayyyyy offf

For FE its honoured, but I agree with Wizzard, the bulk of cards sold are for considerably above MSRP.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Yeah then you haven't dealt with NVIDIA much then, or Intel, or Apple or any number of carmakers!


What lies? If you mean they backtracked initially on 3 gens of support on x370 ~ they took it back, swiftly.


From what I recall they had yield(?) issues.

OT, but short memory have we? The BS on BIOS ROM chip size that Hallock came up with. Not even the media was interested enough in it. Fast forward to a world Alder Lake exists, and suddenly, it's not a problem anymore. Yield issues would be a funny excuse considered that the 5800X is the exact same chip but with tighter tolerances because its clocks are more aggressive. Nah, they just figured people would rather buy the cheaper CPU which would receive better reviews, too. Just like it happened with the 3700X, 1700X, 8320, 1055T, etc. Or the i7-920, perhaps the most famous case of a downbin turned flawless product in the eyes of the consumer.

I don't trust any big corporation. Perhaps jaded, my view is that their singular obligation is with their shareholders and you're a necessary nuisance because they need your money.

 

[Hecate91]

you should stop downloading cracked games beacuse:
a) it's the reason PC gaming is slowly dying
b) people working on those games need to be paid
c) it's illegal


interesting indeed, as it is a demonstration on how the user base of this forum is not a good representation about the real world scenario... In a few months the 4070 will sell more than all the Radeon included in that list, aggregated.

A. The reason PC gaming is dying is because its becoming unaffordable for an entire segment of gamers as there is no real price to performance cards since the GTX 10 series for Nvidia buyers.
B. I think the people need to be paid, although I'd rather not support the greedy publishers selling buggy rushed games for $70+. However I don't pirate games, I just don't buy buggy overpriced games.
C. I'm quite sure anyone going to to the effort of pirating knows its illegal.
And I'm not sure how sales even matter, people should be able to buy what they want and enjoy it, sales numbers only matter to the shareholders and fanboys.

You do realize that people who buy 4070 can just sell it after 2 years and buy the next 600usd GPU that are faster and more power efficient right? no one is forced to keep using one GPU for a long time, unless the resale price fell into the gutter.

Future proofing electronic is kinda a scam

The scam is buying a midrange card at a premium tier price that is only good for 2 years, instead of a card that is good for 3-4 years. And then having to sell the card for half of what its worth, which also hurts the used market as people that can't afford new have to buy cards that are weak and can't run the latest features because Nvidia wants you buying another card. But people buying midrange cards that refuse to consider AMD don't seem to mind replacing their card every 2 years, as it happened with the RTX 20 and 30 series. The more you buy the more you save.

 

[R0H1T]

The BS on BIOS ROM chip size that Hallock came up with.

It wasn't total BS given AMD removed downgrading to older gen (Zen) chips, they tiptoed about supporting/not supporting but eventually they did follow though on what was effectively a 3-4 year old chipset & it actually supported 5 gens of AMD chips!

Yield issues would be a funny excuse considered that the 5800X

Yeah it's not like 5xxx chips weren't almost impossible to get in the first year of launch, right or you forgot that thing called Covid? Sure I could sh!t on AMD for being greedy AF but I had more pressing issues in my life than buy an effin $300 "gaming" chip on my mind at the time


I don't have any love for those billion dollar corporations but I hate those even more who pretend that they're owed cheap electronics <insert your favorite toy> as some birthright! Buying more things leads to "e-waste" & this planet going to hell, so don't pretend you or anyone else like this is not contributing to the mess! I'm as well but at least I know it isn't just on those corporate overlords!

Or the i7-920, perhaps the most famous case of a downbin turned flawless product in the eyes of the consumer.

Or how about Intel basically (soft)bricking non z97 boards a year after they released through an MS patch? Didn't know about that did you

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I mean I had two The only reason I wasn't miffed beyond belief on its premature driver support end is that they were both cheap for me, and weren't my main cards, as I also had the two generations of Vega hardware that succeeded it. But some people weren't so lucky.

Nvidia may be greedy, but they haven't pulled one like that yet. It's not like AMD also doesn't repeatedly do anti-consumer things, like unlaunching the 5700X and withholding its first production batch for over a year, to relaunch it as a second wave product and capitalize on fans eager to adopt Zen 3 by pushing the more expensive 5800X on them. Or the outright fabricated lies about Zen 3 on X370, denying an AGESA update for over a year to these folks, going as far as sending cease and desist letters to the folks at AsRock who made it work without their help anyway. Or Threadripper TRX40 platform being abandoned after a single generation, with the company's official stance being "we pretend that platform doesn't exist". Or the still existing driver issues with Vega Frontier Edition. Or their inaction towards Chinese counterfeit Polaris GPUs. I could go on... That's just a list that came off my head as I dwelled on the subject.

That's what I've been trying to get at. Neither company are your friends and AMD's not better than Nvidia when it comes to making use of a position of leadership to make money.

Haha check history they definitely have. 3.5GB gtx 970?¡?

 

[N/A]

By the time AIB boards actually hit the market it will be $100 cheaper for the 6800XT…

It's just that the 6800 XT doesn't exist, basically all the sites list the same card that when placing the order can go and pick from the same repository.

As for 4070 AIB, i can go and pick up right now. for about $629 excl.taxes.

 

[izy]

It seems that the GPU cost is starting at 659E in EU, and E > $ here at the moment, so it will be like 680$-700$ (if not even more) at retailers, sucks,

Edit: 4070 TI costs like 1000E at retailers but you can find new in box sealed on auctions sites (without warranty i think) at 800E, the 4070 (non TI) will prob be 700E+ (730$+) at retailers, pretty much far away from the 500E retail dream (or the normal 600$/E) here in EU.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

No point in speaking with AMD supporters: they don’t even listen.
I’m usually building 3/4 PCs a month.
On 35/40% of the installed Radeon the customers are encountering issues, in the first year of usage.
Not hardware problems. Just very annoying software/drivers related issues.
I stopped installing Radeons a few months ago because it is just too much time consuming for me.

AMD software division is just very poor.

And 6800XT doesn’t “own” anything, and wasn’t a 3070 competitor since the beginning (price point was on par with 3080, which is a better card).

So just opinion.

Right.

I build about 6 pc a month, whatever THEY want, and they are half n half AMD , Nvidia.

With no issues because I'm a pro.

 

[Max(IT)]

I bought over 500 games in the past 4y and I earn less in a month working 48hs/week than someone on minimum wage of the US earns in a week, dont tell me about supporting the people working on those games. Its not my fault americans using VPNs screwed our regional prices.

this is not a good reason to support piracy. If I cannot afford buying a Ferrari, I don't stole one just because I like to drive it.