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AMD Ryzen 7000X3D Processors Prone to Physical Damage with Voltage-assisted Overclocking, Motherboard Vendors Rush BIOS Updates with Voltage Limiters

phanbuey said:
sarcasm sarcasm pretentious sarcasm and more of that
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Guess what, genius? If the article says "it was overclocked", I'm gonna assume that it was overclocked.

And also, ASUS already had 2 x3D CPUs that blew that showed up on Reddit. There's a thread about some extremely shady behaviour there too:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/12uvcsm

But I'm sure I'll hear more sarcasm from you in about 10 seconds and it'll be all about AMD's fault and not ASUS or anything.
 
This is indeed getting out of hand, how did so many noobs manage to fry a brand new spanking x3d chip :shadedshu:
Yes it's the default voltages supplied by the boards, even if for mild/memory OCing :slap:
 
Looks like many of the cases of this occurring so far are on Asus motherboards
 
Mahboi said:
These people are braindead though.

Literally getting a new technology and going pompously pointing fingers and throwing shade at the creator of the new tech for "not mitigating" well enough.
Hey genius, that's what being NEW is. We don't know the mitigations because they're new. That's the entire concept of "new", or "unknown" or "innovative" or really anything that isn't just walking the same inroads we've been doing for 15 years. Ignoring instruction sets, 3D Vcache is probably the first very big CPU improvement since multi core.

And here we have these Holy Judges passing their Holy Judgement on AMD for their users playing around with a completely new tech and not somehow magically guessing how to stop them doing something stupid before they even do any of these things.


Well, that is quite boring.
I mean it's safe and all, sure. But boring.
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if you make a widget that i buy from you then my expectation as the consumer is that it should perform as advertised meaning any feature that i as the consumer have access to can be used unless otherwise spelled out as a warning.
If you squeeze in some feature that i am not supposed to use because it blows up your product and you dont label it appropriately then its not my responsibility as a consumer to figure this out for you. My responsibility ended when i paid you the money. It is yours as the vendor to properly advertise your product and take all the safety precautions needed to minimize issues . Its as simple as that.
Things like XMP/EXPO, performance tunning features, etc should be clearly labeled as warnings that your chip can blow up if thats the case. On the right hand side in the description section, every of those features should state "WARNING - may cause permanent damage to the hardware if enabled" . So that i as the consumer can make that decision - do i wanna risk blowing up my chip for 5% perf? Yes/No.
But no vendor does it and you know why? Because not worth the potential loss in sales due to less than advertised performance, not widespread, and probably requires too much time to proofread (looking at you gigabyte).
So if this person enabled EXPO and blew up his chip....i dont see how thats the consumers fault. Has nothing to do with being new or innovative or being braindead whatever...it is an additional cost/investment with very little return that manufacturers deemed not worth it at your expense as the consumer.
 
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And to think that when I was building my Ryzen 7700X system, the salesperson at Microcenter that helped me pick out my parts told me to avoid ASUS motherboards like the plague. The more I read about people having issues with ASUS boards, the more I want to thank that salesperson with helping me dodge a bullet.
 
if X3Ds can die this quick just from enabling a harmless 6000 EXPO profile then they are worthless garbage

Hope its just a one faulty chip though
 
Hxx said:
if you make a widget that i buy from you then my expectation as the consumer is that it should perform as advertised meaning any feature that i as the consumer have access to can be used unless otherwise spelled out as a warning.
If you squeeze in some feature that i am not supposed to use because it blows up your product and you dont label it appropriately then its not my responsibility as a consumer to figure this out for you. My responsibility ended when i paid you the money. It is yours as the vendor to properly advertise your product and take all the safety precautions needed to minimize issues . Its as simple as that.
Things like XMP/EXPO, performance tunning features, etc should be clearly labeled as warnings that your chip can blow up if thats the case. On the right hand side in the description section, every of those features should state "WARNING - may cause permanent damage to the hardware if enabled" . So that i as the consumer can make that decision - do i wanna risk blowing up my chip for 5% perf? Yes/No.
But no vendor does it and you know why? Because not worth the potential loss in sales due to less than advertised performance, not widespread, and probably requires too much time to proofread (looking at you gigabyte).
So if this person enabled EXPO and blew up his chip....i dont see how thats the consumers fault. Has nothing to do with being new or innovative or being braindead whatever...it is an additional cost/investment with very little return that manufacturers deemed not worth it at your expense as the consumer.
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User stupidity is not the fault of the manufacturer. Don’t overclock your TV and expect it to work and then blame the manufacturer for your TV not working outside recommended settings. User stupidity doesn’t require the manufacturer to hard lock all the settings an idiot could mess up. As the user it is on us to be informed about what we are purchasing and how we should use it.

Hxx said:
So if this person enabled EXPO and blew up his chip....i dont see how thats the consumers fault.
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The consumer modified the component to operate outside of manufacturer settings. It’s the most textbook warranty-void around.
 
sethmatrix7 said:
User stupidity is not the fault of the manufacturer. Don’t overclock your TV and expect it to work and then blame the manufacturer for your TV not working outside recommended settings. User stupidity doesn’t require the manufacturer to hard lock all the settings an idiot could mess up. As the user it is on us to be informed about what we are purchasing and how we should use it.
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False! Then put that requirement on the label. Does AMD require 20 years of PC building experience to buy their chips? No. How about 5 ? nope. Maybe 1 year and 6 months of overclocking experience ? NOPE!. Newegg will let you purchase anything. So no requirements - check. How about written proof that i am an "informed consumer"? Nope no requirement whatsoever just a valid email address phone number and a credit card.

If you are selling anything without any requirements, then what do u expect? Why are you making assumptions that the user is fully knowledgeable of all the possibilities of damaging this chip? Put on that label - "this cpu is for informed customers ONLY". Sounds dumb right? thats because it is.
 
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trparky said:
And to think that when I was building my Ryzen 7700X system, the salesperson at Microcenter that helped me pick out my parts told me to avoid ASUS motherboards like the plague. The more I read about people having issues with ASUS boards, the more I want to thank that salesperson with helping me dodge a bullet.
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I did read recently a post from a PC builder who said the same thing. :D Had tons of RMA's for ASUS boards, he's now only using mainly MSI boards, AsRock (2nd pick) & some GigaByte boards for his builds.

He also mentioned that MindFactory (a major German reseller) isn't selling ASUS boards anymore because dealing with all the RMA's was way too costly for them. Couldn't believe it, checked their homepage and sure enough, there is no ASUS mainboard to be seen, LOL.
 
Hxx said:
False! Then put that requirement on the label. Does AMD require 20 years of PC building experience to buy their chips? No. How about 5 ? nope. Maybe 1 year and 6 months of overclocking experience ? NOPE!. Newegg will let you purchase anything. So no requirements - check. How about written proof that i am an "informed consumer"? Nope no requirement whatsoever just a valid email address phone number and a credit card.

If you are selling anything without any requirements, then what do u expect? Put on that label - "this cpu is for informed customers ONLY". Sounds dumb right? thats because it is.
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Whatever helps you cope
 
Hxx said:
just simply stating facts, I am not taking any sides
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What facts? All you’ve said is it’s ok to void the warranty. It’s ok to fuck up the CPU by using settings the end user doesn’t have any grasp of.

Here’s a fact you can’t understand- modifying the CPU outside of manufacturer specifications voids the warranty. This includes EXPO overclocking.
 
TTPPUU said:
no it doesnt
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Per AMD

>AMD is not liable under warranty if, through testing and examination, it is AMD’s reasonable opinion that the alleged defect or malfunction of the CPU has been caused by misuse, neglect, improper installation or testing.

also

>This limited warranty does not cover damages due to external causes, including improper use, problems with electrical power, accident, neglect, alteration, repair, improper installation, or improper testing.

Shill
 
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So much misinformation going around it seems.

I’m curious to know how honest these Reddit reports are, and whose actually pumping vcore (mistakenly or intentionally) killing these 3D chips; a setting that should have been hard locked/not available in the bios just like the 5800X3D

I’m very curious to see what GN/Steve finds once they get that sample from the Reddit user. Side note, derbauer killed his sample by going past 1.35v VDD, not VSOC; afaik even auto settings on my asus b650e does not exceed 1.35 when XMP/EXPO is set on 1409, VDD remains normal at ~1.08v avg.

I have a suspicious some people are unawarely killing these chips by entering values improperly. Either way I await the results.
 
From the AMD EXPO page (hidden in an expandable footnote):


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MarsM4N said:
Sadly it does. ;)

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1755...ofiles-for-ryzen-7000-feat-gskill-and-corsair
Quote: "AMD EXPO does have one caveat associated with it; AMD EXPO is classed as overclocking in AMD's own eyes, and according to its footnotes, it does void the warranty."
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Intel have made this statement about memory overclocking using XMP:

Does Use of Intel® Extreme Memory Profile (Intel® XMP) Void the CPU Warranty?​

Altering the frequency and/or voltage outside of Intel specifications may void the processor warranty. Examples: Overclocking and enabling Intel® XMP, which is a type of memory overclocking, and using it beyond the given specifications may void the processor warranty.

The issue is what given specifications means, presumably keep to the XMP I AND II profiles and it's OK, but go beyond that and it's not.
 
MarsM4N said:
Sadly it does. ;)

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1755...ofiles-for-ryzen-7000-feat-gskill-and-corsair
Quote: "AMD EXPO does have one caveat associated with it; AMD EXPO is classed as overclocking in AMD's own eyes, and according to its footnotes, it does void the warranty."
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So does XMP, or any such other settings previously available on AMD/Intel :toast:

This isn't new & I do believe there's more to the story but we'll probably never really know what exactly happened here.
 
pressing on said:
Not only just a board, absolutely no Asus products are sold so no GPUs or laptops/notebooks.
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You have to wonder what's going on in the ASUS camp to have a retailer not only drop ASUS motherboards but also everything else that ASUS makes.
 
pressing on said:
Intel have made this statement about memory overclocking using XMP:

Does Use of Intel® Extreme Memory Profile (Intel® XMP) Void the CPU Warranty?​

Altering the frequency and/or voltage outside of Intel specifications may void the processor warranty. Examples: Overclocking and enabling Intel® XMP, which is a type of memory overclocking, and using it beyond the given specifications may void the processor warranty.

The issue is what given specifications means, presumably keep to the XMP I AND II profiles and it's OK, but go beyond that and it's not.
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Specifications for the 7800X3D: AMD Ryzen™ 7 7800X3D Gaming Processor

Technically everything past DDR5-5200 is "out of specs" and will void warranty. ;)
 
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