AMD Marketing Highlights Sub-$500 Pricing of 16 GB Radeon GPUs

[eidairaman1]

GPU appears to be at a sane level but IMHO the top end cards should at most be $500-600.

 

[Gica]

Games require 100 FPS? I only use reviews?

Minimum!
When you are in an action game, the reflexes and the number of frames (frametime) count and how many cockroaches display your video card through the bushes.

The other thing you don't appreciate is hardware does not remain static vs day one reviews.

Not valid for nVidia?
The Last of US
Day 1: 13.5+ GB for 1080p ULTRA
Patch 1.0.4.1: Only 9 GB for 1080p ULTRA.

HU caught my attention years ago, when it was trying to beautify the hideous thing called Bulldozer. Now, right after AMD's announcement related to vRAM, HU are the most diligent in idiotic demonstrations. Isn't that bias? You are their fans because they speak your language. Red language!

AMD driver support is so good that a card that is 6 years old is still plenty good for 1080P.

"While gaming on NVIDIA was crash-free, I've encountered several display driver crashes on AMD—a bit unexpected for a WHQL driver release"

 

[Vayra86]

demonstrating with 50 fps in titles that require a minimum of 100 fps, is snobbery.

And the world is flat, the cake is a lie and all your base are belong to us

Dude, you need to get your head examined. Requiring a minimum of 100 FPS in anything is in fact snobbery. You're turning the world upside down now to make your point, news flash, there isn't one, and there never will be.

You. Are. Wrong. But I do enjoy the hole you're digging, keep at it, I have a few more bags of popcorn here.

Not valid for nVidia?
The Last of US
Day 1: 13.5+ GB for 1080p ULTRA
Patch 1.0.4.1: Only 9 GB for 1080p ULTRA.

Patch 1.0.4.1: Still more than 8 GB for a measly 1080p

Keep those examples coming! This is hilarious.
I'm glad we have members like yourself with an objectivity no one can match.
You keep trying to make this an AMD - Nvidia feud when in fact everyone is astounded as you are that AMD is likely to push 8GB in their midrange just the same - and wasn't that your argument, 8GB is enough? Even AMD agrees with you. See, you're fighting that battle nobody is fighting, in the strangest possible ways. The consensus was already reached weeks ago, there are no camps here, just wild imagination in the heads of a few members.

 

[Tek-Check]

You follow the results in the titles that interest you, and hijacking the meaning of the discussion is a mess on your part.

No. The mess is still yours and you need to carry it. You are flip-flopping now. It was you who made a generic claim in the first place in the original comment. Check it out. Had you mentioned a specific game of your interest from the outset, I would have granted you a point and agreed with you.

Of course, every buyer should check the performance of a card for their needs. It's a truism to say that.

Hardware U? They have no peace since AMD ordered the sheep to focus on the amount of vRAM.

Please stop smearing independent professionals who work hard on behalf of tech community. It's embarrassing and tells more about you than about them.
You don't like HUB? Check out Gamers Nexus, Guru3D, 3DCentre or this very website TPU. Here:

50 Games Tested: GeForce RTX 3080 vs. Radeon RX 6800 XT

In this article, we have tested 50 games on the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 and AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT to conclusively determine which card offers better performance. Our RTX 3080 vs. RX 6800 XT performance testing has results at 1080p Full HD, 1440p, and 4K Ultra HD.

www.techpowerup.com

And here; even higher frame rates than on Hardware Unboxed. I hope you don't start smearing TPU review staff now, on the very website you post these messages. You will need to control your language, seriously.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6800-xt/30.html

What matters CUDA, NVENC, DLSS, Content Creation and others where AMD does not equal nVidia.

Perhaps for you, but not for me and many other people. I cannot care less about DLSS. Hardware counts in the first place, then software perks. One thing I do agree with you is content creation, where Nvidia cards are still faster, but the gap is closer, gen on gen, so I hope to see even smaller gap, if not equality next year between Blackwell and RDNA4. We shall see in good time.

For example, AV1 decoding and encoding is very similar already. RDNA3 cards are better in fps, but 5-6% less details in quality assessement. Getting closer.

With me, you will need to craft your claim very carefully, otherwise I will call it out immediately as BS or nonsense.

 

[eidairaman1]

No. The mess is still yours and you need to carry it. You are flip-flopping now. It was you who made a generic claim in the first place in the original comment. Check it out. Had you mentioned a specific game of your interest from the outset, I would have granted you a point and agreed with you.

Of course, every buyer should check the performance of a card for their needs. It's a truism to say that.


Please stop smearing independent professionals who work hard on behalf of tech community. It's embarrassing and tells more about you than about them.
You don't like HUB? Check out Gamers Nexus, Guru3D, 3DCentre or this very website TPU. Here:

50 Games Tested: GeForce RTX 3080 vs. Radeon RX 6800 XT

In this article, we have tested 50 games on the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 and AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT to conclusively determine which card offers better performance. Our RTX 3080 vs. RX 6800 XT performance testing has results at 1080p Full HD, 1440p, and 4K Ultra HD.

www.techpowerup.com

And here; even higher frame rates than on Hardware Unboxed. I hope you don't start smearing TPU review staff now, on the very website you post these messages. You will need to control your language, seriously.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6800-xt/30.html
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Perhaps for you, but not for me and many other people. I cannot care less about DLSS. Hardware counts in the first place, then software perks. One thing I do agree with you is content creation, where Nvidia cards are still faster, but the gap is ever closer, gen on gen, so I hope to see even smaller gap, if not equality next year between Blackwell and RDNA4. We shall see in good time.

For example, AV1 decoding and encoding is very similar already. RDNA3 cards are better in fps, but 5-6% less details in quality assessement. Getting closer.
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With me, you will need to craft your claim very carefully, otherwise I will call it out immediately as BS or nonsense.

Acts like another barf

 

[Gica]

Please stop

I don't stop because you distort again. Are you blinded by red light?
Sir, we are talking about the skeletons in the closet unearthed by HU at the behest of the Red Cartel. These are the 6000/3000 series, RDNA 2, not RDNA 3 or 4.
I am sending you some links for documentation and gentlemen's conclusions regarding RDNA2. In these links you will see that the HU skeleton does not even appear because the flagship RDNA2, 6900XT, overall, is surpassed by the 3070 Ti.

NVIDIA GeForce 40 Series vs AMD Radeon 7000 for Content Creation

With the RTX 4070 Ti joining the RTX 4080 and 4090, NVIDIA has now completed the launch of the initial trio of their GeForce RTX 40 series of GPUs. How do these cards compare for various content creation workflows versus the previous generation RTX cards, and their competition from AMD?

www.pugetsystems.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 24GB Review Roundup

NVIDIA's new GeForce RTX 3090 Ti is here, touting more performance than the RTX 3090 on paper - although it also comes with a larger price tag and higher power draw to match. How does this new card perform in the real world, and is it worth considering in your next system?

www.pugetsystems.com

AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT Review Roundup

With the launch of the AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT, we finally get a look at the top-end GPU from AMD's 6000-series. We have looked at how the Radeon 6900 XT performs in a range of professional applications to help you decide whether they are worth using in a new workstation, or as an upgrade in your...

www.pugetsystems.com

Conclusion: "Due to the performance we saw with the Radeon 6900 XT, we currently have no plans to offer them in our workstations."
So, they weren't even interested in the RDNA2 flagship. Where is 6800? Probably below 3060 in CC. And I'm pleased to note that even the 7900XTX can't beat the 3070Ti in Blender, a free and widely used program.

Did we stay at the level of the 90s? We still don't see that the video card has an impact in almost all applications and not only in 3D rasterization?
Why do we take only part of the skeleton out of the closet?


And one more thing: only AMD uses the software solution for upscaling. In nVidia hardware there is something called Tensor Cores.
You probably missed the class when the subject was taught.

 

[lilhasselhoffer]

So...this seems to have rapidly devolved into one side bashing another. Have at it.


To the original post, yes AMD has more VRAM. Yes, AMD has poorer or non-existent Ray Tracing. Yes, AMD seems to support cards for much longer.
On the other hand, Nvidia is more expensive, they're generally much better on software, and they generally age less like wine and more like milk.

Team Red and Team Green are stupid. I want the best card my money can buy...and right now it's neither of these price gouging houses of ill repute. You're welcome to argue all you'd like, but when a PS5 has to share ram between the VRAM and system RAM it means that it has under 16 GB if it's got 16 GB total. The PS5 isn't a 4k powerhouse...but modern releases running at QHD being incapable of maintaining a buttery smooth frame rate when a $500 console can is just silly.
Yes, I know that we keep buying cards because even FHD requires more RAM...but at this point when a garbage port of Hogwarts Legacy to PC is stirring this kind of vehement nonsense then we really need to stop attacking sacred cows and simply ask what we're willing to take...because the 8000 and 5000 series respectively should not be like the 7000 and 4000 series are today. Big, moderately faster, more power hungry, and price two tiers too high for what they are offering compared to most previous generations.


Also, since when has WB not been garbage? Anyone remember buying a AAA game and having to buy loot box orcs or grind 40+ hours? What about the inglorious end to the Arkham series? Yeah, I call this BS lazy development, likely never optimized because the people defining how developers worked never gave them enough time to QC... That's how WB works, isn't it?

 

[Tek-Check]

I am sending you some links for documentation and gentlemen's conclusions regarding RDNA2

Sorry, but original post was about gaming, and now you are moving to content creation.

I am very familiar with PugetSystems. Been reading it for years, including all links you sent. I have already said that I had agreed with you regarding content creation. You ignored this and bombarded me with Puget links instead.

And one more thing: only AMD uses the software solution for upscaling. In nVidia hardware there is something called Tensor Cores.
You probably missed the class when the subject was taught.

I haven't missed anything. Your language feels to me as if you project arrogant superiority. It's not going to fly.

Why do we take only part of the skeleton out of the closet?

If you had listened more carefully what Steve said in several videos, you wouldn't have been mentioning any "skeletons". It's irrelevant.

His comparison of 6800 vs 3070 was purely for gaming purposes, which vast majority of buyers predominantly use those cards for. He has always recommended Nvidia cards for content creation.

Currently, 6000 cards are competitive for pure gaming usage, price-wise and VRAM-wise. This is because Nvidia has set the most absurd price increase on their 4000 cards that few people want to buy, forcing them to reduce procurement of dies with TSMC and wondering what to do with above $5 billion of lingering inventory. Those who wanted or needed to buy the halo model 4090, have already done so, for content creation and gaming alike. Nvidia has shifted their focus to data centre where real revenues are, and they have left crumbs with luxurious prices and bare bones VRAM below 4090 to gamers.

We will look into next quarterly report for more analysis. Always good to be patient.

 

[tvshacker]

the 8000 and 5000 series respectively should not be like the 7000 and 4000 series are today. Big, moderately faster, more power hungry, and price two tiers too high for what they are offering compared to most previous generations.

I really hope you're right, but as Murphy's Law states "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong." and it's derivative: "Nothing is ever so bad that it can't get worse."

China combat drone circles Taiwan, US aircraft transits area – DW – 04/28/2023

Tensions are running high in the Taiwan Strait, as Taipei detected dozens of Chinese warplanes and vessels around the island. A US maritime patrol plane transiting the strait drew condemnation from Beijing.

www.dw.com

If this China/Taiwan/USA goes sour it'll make scalping and crypto look like a joke.

 

[Gica]

Currently, 6000 cards are competitive for pure gaming usage, price-wise and VRAM-wise. This is because Nvidia has set the most absurd price increase on their 4000 cards

Yes you are right. AMD sells video cards for $3 per kilogram.

In the summer of 2021, when I bought the 3070Ti (800 euros, big discount), the 6700XT was more expensive (and weaker), the 6800 was impossible to find (anyway, at least 400-500 euros more expensive) and the 6800XT/6900XT was fighting with the 3080 at around 2000 euros. Mining hell and AMD video cards excelled here, not in Content Creation and other software. This anomaly made AMD video cards to be sold much more expensive (if they were available), 2-3 times above the MSRP.

The current prices for the 3000 and 6000 series (launched in 2020-2021) do not matter. Personally, I wouldn't buy anything. Either I buy the last appearances, or I stay with what I have and play even on Low if necessary. The reason: you pay a sum of money on an old model and, in a month or two, you will see that the new model costs the same or is a little more expensive and you will slap yourself in the face.

Prices below are from today.

https://www.pcgarage.ro/compara/2128106,2375056,2558959,2594271,2604463,2611023

What would you buy? 6900XT TUF or 7900XT TUF? The difference between them is only 45 euros.

PS.
finished The Last of US. 1080p High preset, no DLSS
If you think this is drama, better watch the game.

 

[Tek-Check]

Yes you are right. AMD sells video cards for $3 per kilogram.

This is unnecessary sarcasm. What matters is that anyone finds a good card for their needs, whatever the company. Sales and prices depend on supply and demand in different parts of the world. You can easily track weekly sales on TechEpiphany that collects data for a large German tech retails. There is detailed breakdown on SKUs and companies. Cards are selling low globally, ~35% less than last year, but still there are tens of thousands of buyers who buy Nvidia and AMD cards. You don't need to take my word for it. Of course, Nvidia traditionally sells more, which is fine, which does not mean that AMD does not sell. Look it up in their sales statistics on Tweeter.

In the summer of 2021, when I bought the 3070Ti (800 euros, big discount), the 6700XT was more expensive (and weaker), the 6800 was impossible to find (anyway, at least 400-500 euros more expensive) and the 6800XT/6900XT was fighting with the 3080 at around 2000 euros. Mining hell and AMD video cards excelled here, not in Content Creation and other software. This anomaly made AMD video cards to be sold much more expensive (if they were available), 2-3 times above the MSRP.

Here. This is the graph you are looking for. It was the worst period ever to buy any card (I bought 6800XT in December 2020; was very lucky to find it...). More often than not, Nvidia cards were more expensive for more than 18 months, if there were any to buy. I accept local anomalies in pricing. It happens, always.

The current prices for the 3000 and 6000 series (launched in 2020-2021) do not matter. Personally, I wouldn't buy anything.

There are millions of GPU users who have not been able to buy any affordable mid-range card for a good price from 3000 and 6000 until recent months. I don't need any, as I also bought 7900XTX in December. If you don't need one, perfect. Enjoy gaming and wait until next gen and better prices.

What would you buy? 6900XT TUF or 7900XT TUF? The difference between them is only 45 euros.

Local anomalies are always present. I visited dozens of diffrent websites and monitored tech shops for a long time before I found a suitable deal. That's what I would recommend to others. I even asked a friend from Canada to buy and bring a card, but I finally found one. It's a complicated market.

 

[Gica]

I have not seen 6800 under 900 euros in Ro this year. Maybe some missed offer, but in no case below 800 euros. RX 6800XT and 6900XT only dropped with the appearance of the 7000 series, but they are still expensive.
Again, this is not why I don't buy old video cards. I said why.
I bought the video card from Germany. It has enough power to satisfy me for another 2-3 years. I have my favorite games, well optimized, that eat up my time. The rest, when they appear at a minimum of 50% off.

 

[Tek-Check]

I have not seen 6800 under 900 euros in Ro this year. Maybe some missed offer, but in no case below 800 euros. RX 6800XT and 6900XT only dropped with the appearance of the 7000 series, but they are still expensive.

Local market is not lucky in some parts of the world, which does not mean that this card is not well-priced. 6800 can be found for €515 and £469 in other parts of Europe, and $469 on Newegg. Several 16GB Navi 21 6000 cards have the the price ever right now.
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[Gica]

Offers of -30% for RX 6000 and RTX 3000 (certain models) were also here. It would have been nice if they existed two years ago. On May 18, it will be 30 months since the launch of the 6800. An eternity for video cards.

 

[Tek-Check]

Offers of -30% for RX 6000 and RTX 3000 (certain models) were also here. It would have been nice if they existed two years ago. On May 18, it will be 30 months since the launch of the 6800. An eternity for video cards.

It depends who for? Millions of people cannot afford to buy cheapest cards such as 3050 or 6500XT and build a PC, but instead save for consoles. And rightly so.