LIAN LI Launches First Performance-Focused UNI FAN with the P28

[ixi]

Why stop there, use an open setup and blow a large circulator over it. There are things other than raw cooling power that people find value in.

Go buy Razer. Their products are the right one for ya it looks like. Single ventilator with shitty performance for 50e xD

 

[Chaitanya]

It's funny how brands started to copy fifteen years old Gentle Typhoons ten+ years after their launch. It's like some fashion trend, everybody now needs to have their interpretation: Noctua; Scythe; Thermalright; be quiet!; Corsair; XPG; Thermaltake; Akasa; Cooler Master; MSI... and probable more I forgot/have never seen. Sad thing I already typed the biggest players in fan industry, so I wonder if they ever manage to create a design outperforming old one from Nidec, company even not so into pc cooling.

XPG is not copying GT they have officially partnered to bring those to retail, while others yes have been "inspired" by GTs.

ADATA Enters MoU with Nidec Corporation, Upcoming XPG Coolers to Include Gentle Typhoons

ADATA's gaming-focused brand, XPG, today announced that it entered a memorandum of understanding with Nidec Servo, to source the company's Gentle Typhoon series fans that are popular among PC enthusiasts. The company mentioned that its XPG Vento Pro 120 fan that it launched in November 2020, is...

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[#22]

XPG is not copying GT they have officially partnered to bring those to retail, while others yes have been "inspired" by GTs.

ADATA Enters MoU with Nidec Corporation, Upcoming XPG Coolers to Include Gentle Typhoons

ADATA's gaming-focused brand, XPG, today announced that it entered a memorandum of understanding with Nidec Servo, to source the company's Gentle Typhoon series fans that are popular among PC enthusiasts. The company mentioned that its XPG Vento Pro 120 fan that it launched in November 2020, is...

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I know, just didn't bother to precise that, because that doesn't bring anything to what I said

 

[Upgrayedd]

Good catch @Chaitanya. I do not see any power specs other than "12VDC" listed anywhere in Lian Li's literature.
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There's not even a max amperage spec on the motor hub's label.
One would be wise to avoid using these on motherboard headers until Lian Li publishes the power specs. It's not impossible that these fans have a very stout 'startup current' and will burn out headers.

I like Lian Li, but 'conveniently forgetting to list specs' is a big red flag for deceptive marketing.


Hardly.
Different materials, different features, and Noctua bothers to actually inform prospective customers of power specifications.
So, no, it's not a clone at all; the Noctua is openly the better fan until we can get full specs and testing reports/reviews.

I don't disagree but I also assume they'll be just fine on mobo headers. I've used 3000rpm noctuas on only mobo headers for years now in different boards and they're fine.

 

[bonehead123]

I'm just happy that the RGBLED fad is finally dying off. After a decade of RGBLED we are no closer to it being a simple, hassle-free commodity; All we seem to have to show for it is a fragmented mess of proprietary spaghetti cabling and hub nightmares, proprietary software with unpatched vulnerabilities/bloatware/telemetry-spyware and feature-creep to the point that PCs actually run measurably slower with some of the worse implementations (assuming they don't cause stuttering or system freezes *COUGH* NZXT)

Can we have more RGBLED-only peripherals please - ideally with a nice and simple internal USB header. That leaves things like fans and heatsinks to get on with doing their actual job rather than pretending to be a Christmas decoration.

Like I said, salty.
The whole RBGLED ecosystem is a mess and I deal with it because I have to, not because I want to.

I can't wait for Microsoft to integrate basic RGBLED control into windows. Getting rid of the malware that is RGBLED software will be one of many important steps to disinfecting the catastrophically toxic and vile RGBLED control software market. OpenRGB is borderline okay, but it's so incomplete and powerless because manufacturers don't pay any attention to it. Microsoft is hard to ignore, if MSI, Corsair, NZXT, Asus et al don't work with Microsoft RGBLED control, there will be hell to pay and much ridicule/grief.

I have to hand it to LL for bringing the UniFan innovation to market, it's been a L.O.N.G time coming, and I always wondered why it wasn't developed years ago, and also for making "WHITE" fans (w/white cables too !) that are actually, like, you know ALL WHITE

I think it's high time for FAOSS to step up and push REALLY HARD for the adoption of an open, NON-Proprietary/standard control app that any & all mfgr's can use on any case, fan, rad, GPU etc.. and that works without all the messy issues that are now present in the market...

or you could just: #Just.Say.No.2.All.R.f'n.G.f'n.B.f'n.Crap#......

 

[zlobby]

32dBA @ 4.79mmH2O? Riiight!

 

[Frozoken]

There's no standard way to measure noise levels, so companies can measure however they want to generate just about any values they want. Even independent reviews are no good in isolation as there's a lot of variance in measuring equipment and what frequencies, exactly, it measures and how those frequencies are weighted.

The only valid reviews for me are where the fan in question is tested against a fan (or fans) I have on hand to compare against, or have lots of prior experience with.

Ofc but it is no coincidence that's the manufacturer's ratings always seem to fall way below the mark yet various independent viewers with different equipment all measure very similar noise levels. Regardless my point still stands, ignore manufacturer's noise ratings. Ofc comparing statistics across the same reviewer is ideal but regardless, it is massively more consistent to compare cross reviewers as opppsed to across manufacturer's noise specifications.

 

[Camm]

I think it's high time for FAOSS to step up and push REALLY HARD for the adoption of an open, NON-Proprietary/standard control app that any & all mfgr's can use on any case, fan, rad, GPU etc.. and that works without all the messy issues that are now present in the market...

Microsoft is currently developing this with native control in Windows.

Fucks me if it'll ever come or be any good, but is what it is.

 

[zlobby]

Microsoft is currently developing this with native control in Windows.

Fucks me if it'll ever come or be any good, but is what it is.

M$ should simply pour a shitload of cash on the HWiNFO guy and implement his work into Windoze.

 

[Waldorf]

could have also be titled scythe/silenX/.., wouldnt have noticed the difference.

at that perf or should i say noise lvl i stay with Arctic.
austrian company, usually runs between 6-15$ for 12-14cm fans, 6-10y warranty, different options for control (V/PWM), noise and use (flow/pressure),
and straight white/black ones, and chain-connection on some models.
still prefer them over anyone else, as even silent (8db)/fixed rpm fans can be throttled thru bios, making for an inaudible rig (@2ft) on low/med load (cpu/gpu under water).

 

[Oberon]

Sometimes they are, and if you read the rest of my post you'd see that the lights that AREN'T on the impeller hinder the fan frame instead.

I'm not trying to belittle you, but unless you're an S.I. like me, I get paid to deal with more RGBLED in a week than you probably see in a decade. I'm salty for good reason.

Show me ONE fan where the LEDs are on the impeller. You may deal with a lot of RGB, but that doesn't mean you know what you're talking about.

 

[Chrispy_]

Show me ONE fan where the LEDs are on the impeller. You may deal with a lot of RGB, but that doesn't mean you know what you're talking about.

Every hub-lit (non LED-ring) fan; The impeller is typically lit by LEDs on the outer edge of the fan-control PCB below the coils of the motor hub, and the plastic impeller is enlarged to include a wider diffusion layer around the fixed magnets. Enlarging the hub to provide a solid volume of translucent plastic for light diffusion increases the rotating mass of the impeller and reduces the swept area of the impeller's rotors.

There are never any LEDs in the impeller itself, that's always just a piece of plastic with a permanent magnet ring in it and the spindle for the bearing, but the impeller does get compromised by the additional mass and physical space that the light-diffusion ring of additional plastic takes up.

Whether it's a lit impeller or a lit frame, it doesn't matter - the impeller is compromised in some way. Here's a normal impeller vs an LED impeller and you can see the space wasted by the impeller between the permanent magnet ring and the start of each rotor. The hub is bigger and worse to accommodate the lighting.

 

[Oberon]

Every hub-lit (non LED-ring) fan; The impeller is typically lit by LEDs on the outer edge of the fan-control PCB below the coils of the motor hub, and the plastic impeller is enlarged to include a wider diffusion layer around the fixed magnets. Enlarging the hub to provide a solid volume of translucent plastic for light diffusion increases the rotating mass of the impeller and reduces the swept area of the impeller's rotors.

There are never any LEDs in the impeller itself, that's always just a piece of plastic with a permanent magnet ring in it and the spindle for the bearing, but the impeller does get compromised by the additional mass and physical space that the light-diffusion ring of additional plastic takes up.

Whether it's a lit impeller or a lit frame, it doesn't matter - the impeller is compromised in some way.

So the LEDs aren't on the impeller. Weird.

And no, it's not always compromised; the ML120 LED has performance that is identical to that of the non-LED fan despite the addition of LEDs. LEDs usually come at the expense of performance, but not always. It is usually tied to the degree of RGB that has been implemented (the ML120 LED has just four hub-mounted LEDs, for instance.)

 

[Chrispy_]

So the LEDs aren't on the impeller. Weird.

Are you being pedantic over wording? The only person who has talked about LEDs on the impeller in this entire thread is you:

The LEDs aren't on the impeller

You're misquoting me; I said this:

RGBLED hinders fans. The lights themselves are rotating mass that needs balancing.

"Lights" are the entire assembly - which is in this case is the PCB for LED power, the LEDs themselves, and the diffuser - in exactly the same way that an incandescent light is more than just the tungsten filament in isolation. To get the desired lit impeller effect people expect in an LED impeller, you need an additional volume of spinning translucent plastic to act as the diffuser - which is all part of the "light". Without it, you'd just get the four single points of light on the hub and the impeller itself would be mostly unlit.

Either way, my point remains the same however you interpret it - there is additional rotating mass in an LED-lit impeller that needs balancing (and robs the impeller of some swept area).

 

[Oberon]

Are you being pedantic over wording? The only person who has talked about LEDs on the impeller in this entire thread is you:

You're misquoting me; I said this:

"Lights" are the entire assembly - which is in this case is the PCB for LED power, the LEDs themselves, and the diffuser - in exactly the same way that an incandescent light is more than just the tungsten filament in isolation. To get the desired lit impeller effect people expect in an LED impeller, you need an additional volume of spinning translucent plastic to act as the diffuser - which is all part of the "light". Without it, you'd just get the four single points of light on the hub and the impeller itself would be mostly unlit.

Either way, my point remains the same however you interpret it - there is additional rotating mass in an LED-lit impeller that needs balancing (and robs the impeller of some swept area).

You're just trying to backtrack to cover a dumb statement and ignoring the obvious counter example I gave you.

 

[Chrispy_]

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You're just trying to backtrack to cover a dumb statement and ignoring the obvious counter example I gave you.

Ditto to you, and welcome to the ignore list - I don't need to play these dumb games and I've made my statements very clear.

Nobody who has ever seen an LED fan has seen the LEDs themselves spin. It's blindingly obvious that the spinning effect is just cycling of the individual static LEDs because it's never done that well, the "framerate" is never high enough and even on the best RGBLED implementations I've seen you can still always make out the individual LEDs.

 

[Oberon]

Ditto to you, and welcome to the ignore list - I don't need to play these dumb games and I've made my statements very clear.

Nobody who has ever seen an LED fan has seen the LEDs themselves spin. It's blindingly obvious that the spinning effect is just cycling of the individual static LEDs because it's never done that well, the "framerate" is never high enough and even on the best RGBLED implementations I've seen you can still always make out the individual LEDs.

Since you're continuing to ignore my obvious counter example, how about another?

The hub on my NF-A12x25 is nearly a centimeter larger than the hub on the center-lit 140mm Fractal Design Prisma fan sitting next to me. Rotating mass (or more specifically hub size) has essentially nothing to do with anything.

Again, experience doesn't mean you know what you're talking about.

 

[claes]

TBF the A12 has a lot of other optimizations that other (non-GT replica) fans can’t touch

 

[Waldorf]

@Oberon
lol, wut?
having a bigger hub means less fan blade area, means less airflow/pressure, compared to same blade with smaller hub area.

so stating this doesnt effect anything, is completely false.
ofc, if you know what you are talking about...

 

[claes]

While generally true, the A12 (and all GT copycats) and ML120 LED (optimized motor) are actually perfect examples of outliers

 

[Oberon]

@Oberon
lol, wut?
having a bigger hub means less fan blade area, means less airflow/pressure, compared to same blade with smaller hub area.

so stating this doesnt effect anything, is completely false.
ofc, if you know what you are talking about...

All else being equal, yes it is a detriment, but that's an oversimplification. There are many more factors at play than "big hub bad" as Chrispy would like to suggest. He made a stupid statement and then just kept digging the hole deeper.