NVIDIA Announces GeForce RTX 4060 Family: RTX 4060 Ti, RTX 4060, Starting at $299, 16 GB Available

[Penev91]

I just got an official email from Nvidia with the price in euros

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The 16GB pricing is absolutely insane.
You're better off getting a used 3090 which will wipe the floor with it or if you don't want to get a used card just get a 6900XT which will be at least 30% faster in everything without RT.

 

[RedelZaVedno]

WHAT? 559€ for 4060TI??? Hell, I got 2nd hand 3090 for less. It's official now: Ngreedia wants to kill PC gaming

 

[Paranoir andando]

RTX 3060 Ti --> 4864cudas * 2 * 2.0GHz = 19,45 TFLOPS

RTX 4060 Ti --> 4352cudas * 2 * 2.8GHz = 24,37 TFLOPS

This is the only advantage, the "overclock". It's a 20%.

Lovelace has the double of cudas than Ampere thanks to being manufactured in 5nm instead of 8nm as Ampere. A great advance that has been ruined by giving people less part of the cake than ever. Less cudas than previous Ampere. Everything for me, Nvidia must have thought. Sad story of a glutton.

Advantages: 4060Ti consumes less than 3060Ti, less than 2060, ...
Disadvantages: 4060Ti consumes less because is a 4050 with a new fake name, with a chip that is much smaller than it should (less cudas, less performance). Lovelace has a great consume, you can see the 450W of the big one.

x50 series always outperform previous x60 Ti. This 4050 (fake 4060Ti) also outperform previous 3060Ti

 

[R0H1T]

RTX 3060 Ti --> 4864cudas * 2 * 2.0GHz = 19,45 TFLOPS

RTX 4060 Ti --> 4352cudas * 2 * 2.8GHz = 24,37 TFLOPS

This is the only advantage, the "overclock". It's a 20%.

Lovelace has the double of cudas than Ampere thanks to being manufactured in 5nm instead of 8nm as Ampere. A great advance that has been ruined by giving people less part of the cake than ever. Less cudas than previous Ampere. Everything for me, Nvidia must have thought. Sad story of a glutton.

Advantages: 4060Ti consumes less than 3060Ti, less than 2060, ...
Disadvantages: 4060Ti consumes less because is a 4050 with a new fake name, with a chip that is much smaller than it should (less cudas, less performance). Lovelace has a great consume, you can see the 450W of the big one.

x50 series always outperform previous x60 Ti. This 4050 (fake 4060Ti) also outperform previous 3060Ti

That's because the gullible sheep are conditioned to drink the Kool-Aid & follow the viral YTers/influencers into buying whatever the f*** they're paid to promote! It starts early & is incessant to an almost intolerable level. And don't forget that fancy word ~ gaming, I swear I lose a billion neurons any time I see that in a product name

 

[wheresmycar]

x50 class, fake x60 name and x70 price

Wowsers! thats poetry with a pinch of veracity right there.

tbf, 40-series through-in and through-out pretty much resembles the same pattern. Now its just a question of whether the consumer-market will adjust to the new highs (prices). I certainly wont. I'm a 80-class man, demanding 90-class raster performance at 70ti-class prices. I know, A bit of a mess - might have to wait for a 50-series card and see if a 5070/5070ti mid-ranger can fill the gap (unless AMD steals me away).

4060-16GB for $500 is just madness! Probably a $550-$600 card by the time AIBs have added their embellishments and retailers have their say.

Although i have to admit:

- The cards in general are probably decent with modest performance bumps as expected (outside of nVs marketing BS). The main problem is price-divisioning, its thrown the entire class-categorisation in a whirlwind of self-prescribed in-house nv-scalping inflation. Definitely left a bad taste in my mouth!

- The 16GB variant for half a thousand dollars is pants. But i'm glad to see 16GB adoption at this performance level regardless of price. Let the sheep buy what the sheep buy, for me its more about future higher VRAM standardisation across the board and if the sheep make that possible, the sheep are my champions!

- Now... this ones more individual-specific. Nvidias efficiency or lower power consumption definitely adds value for me. I've done far worse with $100/$200 cooling solutions to get everything running cool, quiet or even resulted to undervolting for lower power consumption/thermals. I'd pay "some" of that added tax for this development alone, only $1200 for a sought 4080 is not tax, its outright day-light-robbery.

Anyway i'm as stubborn as they come and pretty much see the whole jam with these eyes:

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Guys get with the program... What on earth did you think Jensen was cooking in that oven of his? He's left one too many clues for us to fail at this game.

the 4090 is the 4080

4080 > 4070

4070 > 4060

4060 > 4050

The mathematical approach to unravel the brainteaser - take the MSRP of the former and divide it in half to correctly identify the latter price

4080 - $800

4070 - $600

4060 - $300

4050 - $150/$200

So not bad, the 4050 is a 8GB VRAM card skating on 4.0 x8 Bus Interface. What more could you ask for?

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I thought cracking the code would get me a free GPU or something... he just threw a fist in the air and smiled.

So why are you paying double you might ask? Cheeky! You'll have to wait for part #2 of the great wheresmycar deciphering escapades

 

[R0H1T]

might have to wait for a 50-series card and see if a 5070/5070ti mid-ranger can fill the gap (unless AMD steals me away).

Or try to buy cards/PC parts towards the end of their lifecycle ~ that's what I generally do anyway unless there's some really good deals in between. The only leading or "bleeding edge" things I buy these days is grocery

 

[Metroid]

So the rtx 4060 will be $299 I guess.

 

[tvshacker]

The 4060 non-TI is slightly cheaper than the 3060 but will there still be scenarios where if you push IQ enough the game will be playable on the 3060 (at decent framerates) and not run at all on the 4060?
4060TI 16GB at over 549€ will put it very near to the 6800 series... I wonder if AMD will manage to launch something with 16GB below 500€.

 

[Paranoir andando]

- Now... this ones more individual-specific. Nvidias efficiency or lower power consumption definitely adds value for me. I've done far worse with $100/$200 cooling solutions to get everything running cool, quiet or even resulted to undervolting for lower power consumption/thermals. I'd pay "some" of that added tax for this development alone, only $1200 for a sought 4080 is not tax, its outright day-light-robbery.

The entire Lovelace series is the opposite of that. They have very high frequencies with enormous consumption. You can see it in the largest with its 450W that could have been 300W with a little less frequency, but also in this small chip, a 75W-100W x50 chip that consumes 140W.

GTX 1650 Die Size = 200 mm²
GTX 1650 Super . . = 284 mm²
RTX 3050 Die Size = 276 mm²
RTX 4060 Ti Die Size = 190 mm²

 

[wheresmycar]

Or try to buy cards/PC parts towards the end of their lifecycle ~ that's what I generally do anyway unless there's some really good deals in between. The only leading or "bleeding edge" things I buy these days is grocery

thats the problem, more recently even out-of-life-cycle GPUs are treated like "bleeding edge" parts with extortionate asking prices (mostly higher end GPUs). The alternative: used market! Thats where i was over a year ago and pulled off a full used gaming system with a 2080 TI for a really good deal. I'd only buy used from sellers who i know which presents another limitation. Same seller has a 3080 available which i'm eyeing up but i'm a stubborn buyer... need BIG discount, no LITTLE discount, no urban boy, me caveman with electricity. A 3080 should carry me nicely for a couple of years (i hope).

 

[Dimitriman]

4060ti 16GB only exists to upsell 4070s. The real product is the 399 8GB version which is still a bad value for 1400p due to crap memory size and bandwidth.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Yes, that's what the article clearly stated but the price was not expected as rumors had the price at $350 or more

Nvidia GeForce RTX 4060 price speculationThe Nvidia GeForce RTX 4060 price should fall between $399-$499, as we suspect it’ll be more expensive than its predecessor. This is a relatively safe suspicion as the RTX 4090 and RTX 4080 debuted with much higher MSRPs than their previous generation equivalents, with team green increasing prices by $200-$500 USD.

Therefore we would expect the RTX 4060 to be priced in the range of $300-450. It’s unlikely it will be on the lower range of that if the trend continues but it could be hopeful for a low-end, cheaper choice of card.

The US price for RTX 4060 is around $350, and to feature with 12GB GDDR6 memory.

Yeah because Nvidia's MSRP Pr bull always pans out?!?.

Be quick buyers, I'll say no more.

This isn't for me anyway but even if it was no Ty.

I'd rather shit in my hands and clap.

 

[wheresmycar]

The entire Lovelace series is the opposite of that. They have very high frequencies with enormous consumption. You can see it in the largest with its 450W that could have been 300W with a little less frequency, but also in this small chip, a 75W-100W x50 chip that consumes 140W.

GTX 1650 Die Size = 200 mm²
GTX 1650 Super . . = 284 mm²
RTX 3050 Die Size = 276 mm²
RTX 4060 Ti Die Size = 190 mm²

The minute you start introducing mm² and die sizes and what not, my brain switches off.

I just look at actual power consumption in a gaming scenario with cards which best reflect the desired performance, in thie case: 4070 TI/4080 or 7900 XT/XTX (although not feeling the 4070 TIs "12gb" VRAM)

power consumption: https://tpucdn.com/review/pny-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-oc/images/power-gaming.png

20ms spikes: https://tpucdn.com/review/pny-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-oc/images/power-spikes.png

 

[sethmatrix7]

The minute you start introducing mm² and die sizes and what not, my brain switches off.

I just look at actual power consumption in a gaming scenario with cards which best reflect the desired performance, in thie case: 4070 TI/4080 or 7900 XT/XTX (although not feeling the 4070 TIs "12gb" VRAM)

power consumption: https://tpucdn.com/review/pny-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-oc/images/power-gaming.png

20ms spikes: https://tpucdn.com/review/pny-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-oc/images/power-spikes.png

People don't actually care about power consumption in the year of our lord Gaben 2023 right.... right?!?!

 

[ModEl4]

The most interesting model by far is $299 RTX 4060, i thought Nvidia would go with a $329 SRP (that's why i speculated full navi33 would be probably $329, same price as RTX 4060 i thought it would be appropriate, now the only sane choice is to price it at $299 also)
Essentially RTX 4060 would probably be around -13% slower than a RTX 3060Ti in 1080p classic raster but instead of $350 is $300 with all the advantages of ada as a bonus.
Still RX6700 at $269 or a RX6700XT at $319 (for those that don't mind the extra power consumption) is also a very good deal but ada's advantages are too numerous to be ignored plus 115W opens a (big) market that RX6700XT is not a good fit.
If Nvidia decides to outfit RTX 4050 with 8GB at $249 it will fly of the shelves (but reports indicate 6GB which is a deal breaker in this day and age)

 

[wheresmycar]

People don't actually care about power consumption in the year of our lord Gaben 2023 right.... right?!?!

tbh, i haven't cared as much either until more recently > these companies are pushing on power consumption like theres no tomorrow and massively increased energy costs around the globe are less than encouraging. Personally for me, i'm not gonna play the "save the world/energy" card lol, i'm too lazy for that sort of thing. It my bloody room - it gets HOT when firing up demanding games and horribly hot in the summer.

 

[Garrus]

The most interesting model by far is $299 RTX 4060, i thought Nvidia would go with a $329 SRP (that's why i speculated full navi33 would be probably $329, same price as RTX 4060 i thought it would be appropriate, now the only sane choice is to price it at $299 also)
Essentially RTX 4060 would probably be around -13% slower than a RTX 3060Ti in 1080p classic raster but instead of $350 is $300 with all the advantages of ada as a bonus.
Still RX6700 at $269 or a RX6700XT at $319 (for those that don't mind the extra power consumption) is also a very good deal but ada's advantages are too numerous to be ignored plus 115W opens a (big) market that RX6700XT is not a good fit.
If Nvidia decides to outfit RTX 4050 with 8GB at $249 it will fly of the shelves (but reports indicate 6GB which is a deal breaker in this day and age)

It is not interesting. 8GB is a total fail in 2023. You can't even run the latest games with an 8GB card properly. Ask everyone that ran the Last of Us.

 

[cbb]

OK, so this thing(s) is/are official, and every AIB partner in the world is posting their products. Does anyone know when the review embargo on these lifts? how about team red's 7600 review timeline? Just wondering, as I'm pretty sure both of these are (at best) laterals (at significant expense) for me, if not mild downgrades. But I'm trying to make sense of the current landscape as I'm (over)due for a whole new rig. TIA to any who know and can share dates.

Happy trails,

 

[LurkyLurker]

I've only skimmed the article 'til this, and not checked any other sources yet, but
"The GeForce RTX 4060 Ti is on average 2.6x faster than the RTX 2060 SUPER GPU and 1.7x faster than the GeForce RTX 3060 Ti GPU. For titles without frame generation, the RTX 4060 Ti is 1.6x faster than the RTX 2060 SUPER GPU"

My math says 1.6 (real frames vs 2060S)/2.6 (fake frames vs 2060S) * 1.7 (fake frames vs 3060 Ti) ~= just 1.046 times real performance, on average. Except the 3060 Ti has architectural improvements over the 2060 Super, so I would expect the ratio to be smaller... what am I missing?

 

[AusWolf]

" For titles without frame generation, the RTX 4060 Ti is 1.6x faster than the RTX 2060 SUPER GPU."

So what does that mean for pure raster performance for the 4060 vs the 3060? Am I making an incorrect deduction in thinking that the performance increase of the 4060 over the 3060 will be very disappointing? Somebody had made the prediction in a comment the other day and it seems like they might be correct.

Exactly my thoughts. The 4060 is a 3060 with fake frames. Very disappointing.

 

[Taraquin]

4060 = 3060 + 20%
4060Ti = 3060Ti + 15%
They said so in the slides

Hmm, a bit surprised if that is correct since you only get 30% more cudas, 5% more clockspeed. 3060ti performs 32% above 3060 at 1080p and 35% at 4k. We shall see, but I bet 3070 will win most of the time

 

[QUANTUMPHYSICS]

I personally wouldn't care about the lower end GPU on my laptop so long as they have more than enough VRAM.

But for my desktop, I MUST continue to have only the best available. I have a Strix 4090. What really bothers me is I can't get EVGA products on this level. I don't like the competition.

 

[AusWolf]

I personally wouldn't care about the lower end GPU on my laptop so long as they have more than enough VRAM.

But for my desktop, I MUST continue to have only the best available. I have a Strix 4090. What really bothers me is I can't get EVGA products on this level. I don't like the competition.

EVGA is out of the GPU business, unfortunately.

 

[Blitzkuchen]

YEAHHHHHHHHHH

RTX 3060 12GB to RTX 4060 8GB = 15% higher performance and got killed by the VRAM in 1440p for just only 299$

in a different sight:
A750 to RTX 4060 = 15% performance gain 250$ vs 299$



fck nvidia never ever buy any card of this bullshit company with its garbage leather jacket.
before ill buy nvidia again ill buy AMD, i had in the last 8 years only nvidia.

 

[Zareek]

More Nvidia marketing BS. Look at the green line, it's so much faster! Fake frames versus real frames, what a joke. I thought wow this is expensive but so worth it when I bought a TNT2 Ultra for $200 in 1999. That was the very best Nvidia made at the time. Adjusted for inflation, that is $364.18. Today, even mainstream cards cost more. I assume in a few years, entry level cards will cost more and a few years after that, PC gaming as we know it will be dead. Long live the leather jacket! Slowly but surely perfecting 3D hardware, just to destroy it in the end.