AMD's Ryzen 7 7800X3D Selling Nearly Twice as Fast as 5800X3D in Some Regions

[EatingDirt]

That has to be purchases made prior to the whole meltdown debacle, cause the longevity of these cpu's are seriously in doubt following that... i for one am gonna replace it before warranty runs out.

People who are actually aware of the issue will buy a 7800X3D and avoid a Asus motherboard.

The CPU's aren't the issue.

 

[trsttte]

who would then quietly have swept it under the rug, and just replaced the machine

If that was happening at a rate higher than usual it would become known pretty quick, people talk.

 

[Kaleid]

Too bad, that means no price cuts.

 

[evernessince]

The kind of people that buys prebuilts wouldn't have taken it apart and found this issue, nor would they even frequent these kinda hardware sites - they would have called the shop they bought it from, who would then quietly have swept it under the rug, and just replaced the machine.

First, my comment said nothing about having to take the system apart or frequenting hardware sites like TPU. All I did was point out the fact that we've had 0 pre-built / OEM systems with the Zen 4 SOC issue to date.

Second, your comment borders on conspiracy theory. You are saying that pre-built / OEMs are specifically deciding to sweep this particular issue under the rug. Ignoring the fact that users of said system still have access to reddit / social media. Such a claim with no supporting evidence in today's world is frankly just throwing stuff and the wall and seeing what sticks. There's no grand conspiracy to hide this specific AMD issue. If the KrisFix cracked AMD GPU die nothingburger is anything to go by people are more than happy to jump on anything that might end up being an issue. That fact should be plainly clear in the modern social media world.

 

[Max(IT)]

Surely a good gaming cpu, but am5 platform still is in early beta… I wouldn’t trust it for nothing else

 

[Solaris17]

Cleaned up some. Let’s try to keep the trolling and arguments to a minimum.

thanks!

 

[jesdals]

It must be a fire sale...

 

[Max(IT)]

No problems here. Just set <1.25v soc when running expo and you're good. Motherboard auto settings are the main culprit here, not the processor.

… until the next flaw will be exposed

 

[Tek-Check]

Gamers Nexus proved that this "can" happen with default settings but the question is under what conditions/how often?

It's a nothing-burger. The issue does exist in the wild, but it's more rare than Nvidia's melting cables. That's all to it, really.

Plus, if it happens, I am sure affected owners would get replacement boards and CPU.

Theres no evidence whatsoever that this issue is widely occurring.

 

[MikeGR7]

Not going to give them another cent even for a 30% average gain.

Laggy, buggy and be happy that all sites conveniently stopped reporting 0.1% lows.

Scummy tactics at it's finest on all fronts.

No thanks AMD

 

[wheresmycar]

"twice as fast" thats really impressive!!

I have this odd weekly tendency to have a quick peak at Amazons best seller CPUs (UK). The 5800X3D held the #1 spot for some time only today its showing at #3. The 7800X3D has been moving up the ladder and if these sale figures are correct, lets see if it transcends. Maybe us Brits are not twice as fast as the rest of the world (or Germany) and probably prefer the value-driven alternative 5600/5700X/5700X3D

 

[kapone32]

Not going to give them another cent even for a 30% average gain.

Laggy, buggy and be happy that all sites conveniently stopped reporting 0.1% lows.

Scummy tactics at it's finest on all fronts.

No thanks AMD

If you are into Computing that is your loss.

 

[LabRat 891]

This probably has dashed any hopes I had of seeing more 3DVcache AM4 chips.
I'd been hopeful, with AMD introducing 'socketed, embedded' AM4 CPUs.

 

[R0H1T]

Among system builders*

Most people buy a prebuilt, and do you honestly think that people who buys a prebuilt upgrade the bios ?

Most with a prebuilt aren't buying x3d chips ~ also how many prebuilts did you see with x3d chips? While you can definitely burn the likes of Asus, GB or even AMD at the stake for this the issue is at least slightly overblown given we haven't seen too many users reporting this on forums like TPU, AT, OCuk, LTT, Toms et al. Now admittedly members here would be more informed than the avg buyer then again the avg buyer won't be buying expensive prebuilts with x3d chips & letting them fry with degenerate voltages!

 

[AlwaysHope]

Excellent, nice to see adoption rates for AM5 are accelerating!

 

[Daven]

SOC stays at a steady 1.24v. This is with DDR5 6000 CL30.

I’ve been running EXPO with my Corsair DDR5 5600, 7700X and Asrock B650E steel legend for months now. No problems as well.

 

[Icon Charlie]

Excellent, nice to see adoption rates for AM5 are accelerating!

And.... this

Despite recent troubles with the AM5 platform and Zen 4 X3D processors, the Ryzen 7 7800X3D is proving to be quite a success for AMD.

My reply to these statements

https://www.amd.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2023-5-2-amd-reports-first-quarter-2023-financial-results.html

To put it in simple terms. They are not doing so well as they should be. I read this mind numbing crap so you don't have too. .

This is due to several factors on why there is a decline on profits, but one of them is the BullSh!t moves by high end management. Talking bobble heads will market speak and spin everything and you can even smooooosh the financials a bit, but not completely.

Lets just wait until we see how "great" AMD is doing when we see the next financials. If there is an increase of profitability... Then you can sing the praises that the AM5 motherboard is healthy and great.

BUT as stated before and proven by you know... REAL LIFE NUMBERS you know... REAL MONEY BEING MADE is not as much as was from year to year. From where I stand it looks like millions of users are NOT making the upgrade right now. Maybe in another year but NOT right now..

Because AMD is still enforcing the AMD tax on Motherboards and people just don't have the money for it.

We now will go to our station break with some smooth relaxing Airport Lounge Jazz.

 

[AlwaysHope]

And.... this

My reply to these statements

https://www.amd.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2023-5-2-amd-reports-first-quarter-2023-financial-results.html

To put it in simple terms. They are not doing so well as they should be. I read this mind numbing crap so you don't have too. .

This is due to several factors on why there is a decline on profits, but one of them is the BullSh!t moves by high end management. Talking bobble heads will market speak and spin everything and you can even smooooosh the financials a bit, but not completely.

Lets just wait until we see how "great" AMD is doing when we see the next financials. If there is an increase of profitability... Then you can sing the praises that the AM5 motherboard is healthy and great.

BUT as stated before and proven by you know... REAL LIFE NUMBERS you know... REAL MONEY BEING MADE is not as much as was from year to year. From where I stand it looks like millions of users are NOT making the upgrade right now. Maybe in another year but NOT right now..

Because AMD is still enforcing the AMD tax on Motherboards and people just don't have the money for it.

We now will go to our station break with some smooth relaxing Airport Lounge Jazz.

Ok, got it. Thank you.
Well then, they better not go out of business, this industry needs competition. Unless you like Intel calling all the shots?

 

[phubar]

To put it in simple terms. They are not doing so well as they should be. I read this mind numbing crap so you don't have too. .

No one is doing as well as they """should""" be.

Intel's numbers are bad too for retail CPU's.

You can expect to see a 40-60% decline in YoY sales for at least another 3-6 months from most any computer related vendor.

We've just had a major demand bubble pop not too long ago thanks to buttcoin mining mostly going away and for the average wage earning person the economy might as well be in a recession right now. That is why prices on lots of other things like DDR5 RAM and SSD's have also gone down massively in the last 6 months or so.

None of that means that the 7800X3D can't still be selling relatively well as the article headline says.

Well then, they better not go out of business, this industry needs competition.

AMD is doing fine over all due to their server sales and custom silicon (consoles) revenues.

Its just retail CPU sales that are down big time.

They're in a much MUCH better financial state than they were a few years ago. If Zen had been a bust then they might've gone out of business.

 

[Fouquin]

My reply to these statements

https://www.amd.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2023-5-2-amd-reports-first-quarter-2023-financial-results.html
To put it in simple terms. They are not doing so well as they should be. I read this mind numbing crap so you don't have too. .

First quarter ended April 1st, the Ryzen 7 7800X3D launched April 6th. Since it did not yet exist to retail costumers it could not have made any impact on AM5 adoption rates or sales figures cited in the report. Q2 is another story, and you're right, we will have to wait and see what it says.

 

[R0H1T]

A single product/chip isn't going to make any material impact on AMD's numbers! That's just lunacy, unless AMD made just that one chip

 

[Minus Infinity]

Yes, Gamers Nexus proved that this "can" happen with default settings but the question is under what conditions/how often? The discussion is about how widespread the problem is using the total number of occurrences vs. the number of chips sold. Those percentages are never discussed. The sensational images of burning CPUs and motherboards in the video are shared, and all discussion gets lost. Gamer Nexus then generalized the entire AM5 platform as "a mess" and their viewers parrot those opinions.

I have a B650E Strix, purchased with a 7900x and swapped to a 7800x3D... only updating the BIOS once to support the X3D chip (prior to the slew of BIOS updates when the voltage issue was discovered). I have no issues with HW. The 7900x chip is pristine, the 7800x3D is pristine, the motherboard is pristine... So what is special about my setup? Why didn't I encounter the issue? This is why the criteria and likelihood of occurrence is important.

Which brand MB? It was mostly Asus MB's as they were running the Vcore higher than AMD specs with EXPO enabled, hitting 1.41V and the spec is 1.3V max. Most of the other brands tested were under 1.3V.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Make good products, and you shall be rewarded. The 7800X3D is a good product. People are buying it. There's no grand conspiracy against AMD, and this proves it once and for all.

Hopefully the AGESA team gets it together.

Which brand MB? It was mostly Asus MB's as they were running the Vcore higher than AMD specs with EXPO enabled, hitting 1.41V and the spec is 1.3V max. Most of the other brands tested were under 1.3V.

It wasn't mostly ASUS, it was quite literally everyone pumping the poor things full of juice. ASUS just did it harder (they've always done this in their pitch for extra compatibility, it's not like their hardware designers are magicians). AMD also failed to implement some safeguards onto the AGESA code and into the CPU logic itself, so it came to that fiery result.

 

[Lew Zealand]

My reply to these statements

https://www.amd.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2023-5-2-amd-reports-first-quarter-2023-financial-results.html

To put it in simple terms. They are not doing so well as they should be. I read this mind numbing crap so you don't have too. .

This is due to several factors on why there is a decline on profits, but one of them is the BullSh!t moves by high end management. Talking bobble heads will market speak and spin everything and you can even smooooosh the financials a bit, but not completely.

Lets just wait until we see how "great" AMD is doing when we see the next financials. If there is an increase of profitability... Then you can sing the praises that the AM5 motherboard is healthy and great.

BUT as stated before and proven by you know... REAL LIFE NUMBERS you know... REAL MONEY BEING MADE is not as much as was from year to year. From where I stand it looks like millions of users are NOT making the upgrade right now. Maybe in another year but NOT right now..

Without comparing those numbers and statements to market comparables, scant useful conclusions can be drawn as AMD is embedded in a market like all their competitors. How did Intel and Nvidia compare during the same time period? How did the wider market of Apple and HPQ and MS and Lenovo and ARM and their suppliers do compared to their previous quarters and YOYs as well as directly to AMD?

That takes time to figure and compare which is why a single Q's results press release tells but a sliver of the story about a company.

 

[phubar]

It wasn't mostly ASUS, it was quite literally everyone pumping the poor things full of juice.

No it was mostly ASUS.

GN flat out stated the others were typically under 1.3v but had other bugs that could come together to cause problems.

Gigabyte for instance had a bug where BIOS volt settings were being ignored but also that getting to overvolt SOC to over 1.3v wasn't something that typically happened. They had to try and force it to occur....except with ASUS.

My own Gigabyte mobo never went over 1.25v for instance and that was when overclocking the RAM as much as possible.

None of those bugs were related to AGESA though. That was mobo vendors screwing things up which they've done before in the past. GN did a video years ago about the mobo vendors doing the same stuff with Intel motherboards.

AMD's mistake was not clamping down it like Intel did years ago before it turned into a mess. They let the mobo guys do what they wanted and now they get at least some of the blame for that error.