Sandybridge era build - weighing pros cons of new platform versus a GPU upgrade

[chrcoluk]

You put single core for old chip and multi core for new on cinebench.

You happy with the upgrade?

 

[newconroer]

You put single core for old chip and multi core for new on cinebench.

You happy with the upgrade?

I see what you mean now

For comparison then here is the multi for 2600k

Have you managed to get those minimum FPS up in those games yet? I’m thinking about getting a 7600 too myself, coming from a 6700k.

Howdy

I am still working through some troubles/difficulties with system freezing following the build
However have done a fair amount of various games/3D applications and the answer is yes a lot, yes some, none at all

Yes a lot - for example some games such as LOTRO, Warcraft, Conan Exiles have twenty+ sometimes higher rates now on average. The minimums are stronger as well having less dips
Yes some - smoother experience overall and better minimum frames (even if the average hasn't improved much)
None at all - Red Dead II, Shadow of Tomb Raider come to mind where I gained about five fps on average

That said, there's also little things such as in MMOs whne have a User Interface, they can be taxing, eating up ten or more frames. Then when you open a UI element such as map or inventory space you get a sudden drop in performance. With the setup now, the frequency of that is significantly less often and to less degree.




In terms of gaming + browsing + background Windows work i.e mulit-tasking, it is better though not as explosive as I thought it would be
One way I gauge this is whether I can watch a movie or a Youtube video simultaneously while playing a game without any performance loss
Some games are taking a ten + frames hit

I find this disappointing and quite a let down considering the both could easily be run on a core to themselves.


My overall conclusion is it was not worth the money spent in terms of improving system performance and daily use in contrast to my previous arrangement
However as part of my original consideration, I cannot keep installing new graphics cards forever - the platform did require an upgrade

Therefore in that sense of future proofing and providing a platform that won't provide diminishing returns on a new future GPU, then I feel for the money (although I'd argue this stuff is still way too expensive), it was a fair and reasonable outcome

 

[Dr. Dro]

In terms of gaming + browsing + background Windows work i.e mulit-tasking, it is better though not as explosive as I thought it would be
One way I gauge this is whether I can watch a movie or a Youtube video simultaneously while playing a game without any performance loss
Some games are taking a ten + frames hit

I find this disappointing and quite a let down considering the both could easily be run on a core to themselves.


My overall conclusion is it was not worth the money spent in terms of improving system performance and daily use in contrast to my previous arrangement
However as part of my original consideration, I cannot keep installing new graphics cards forever - the platform did require an upgrade

Therefore in that sense of future proofing and providing a platform that won't provide diminishing returns on a new future GPU, then I feel for the money (although I'd argue this stuff is still way too expensive), it was a fair and reasonable outcome

The integrated GPU on your new processor is leaps and bounds ahead of your 1080 Ti in video decoding capabilities, give it a try, you might be surprised. It might not be great for gaming, but it will give you a taste of what to expect for a desktop experience if you upgrade to a Radeon RX 6000 series GPU. Running directly from the 1080 Ti, you will find that some videos on YouTube that use VP8 or AV1 codec fall back to software rendering. That's gonna be heavy on a 6-core CPU. Using a browser extension such as Enhancer for YouTube or h264ify to force H.264 could probably fix that at the cost of disabling HDR and limiting quality to 1080p 60.
Enjoy your new machine, mate! May it serve you well in the future

btw, you went from ~3600 to more than >15000 score, almost a 4x improvement on Cinebench R23, that's an amazing jump. I'm still in a state of disbelief seeing that new flagship CPUs are over 10 times faster than a i7-2600K in multithreaded capabilities. I'm getting around 41K with my CPU undervolted, and my rig has quite a bit of untapped potential.

 

[dgianstefani]

New Ryzen build - system freezes - not the a-typical black screen or WHEA

After some great advisement by fellow members, I have recently platform JUMPED (ok that might be extreme) from Sandybridge to AM5 And while it's pretty much been good overall, I am stumped about system crashing that is occurring I might have to update this post as I go as I will invariably...

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OP has a thread where it's been suggested that it is likely his decade old power supply is probably the cause of performance issues.

In terms of gaming + browsing + background Windows work i.e mulit-tasking, it is better though not as explosive as I thought it would be
One way I gauge this is whether I can watch a movie or a Youtube video simultaneously while playing a game without any performance loss
Some games are taking a ten + frames hit

It's a known issue if you're using two monitors, especially with different refresh rates, that YT videos will stutter on some NVIDIA card setups.

 

[Eric3988]

I see what you mean now

For comparison then here is the multi for 2600k

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Howdy

I am still working through some troubles/difficulties with system freezing following the build
However have done a fair amount of various games/3D applications and the answer is yes a lot, yes some, none at all

Yes a lot - for example some games such as LOTRO, Warcraft, Conan Exiles have twenty+ sometimes higher rates now on average. The minimums are stronger as well having less dips
Yes some - smoother experience overall and better minimum frames (even if the average hasn't improved much)
None at all - Red Dead II, Shadow of Tomb Raider come to mind where I gained about five fps on average

That said, there's also little things such as in MMOs whne have a User Interface, they can be taxing, eating up ten or more frames. Then when you open a UI element such as map or inventory space you get a sudden drop in performance. With the setup now, the frequency of that is significantly less often and to less degree.




In terms of gaming + browsing + background Windows work i.e mulit-tasking, it is better though not as explosive as I thought it would be
One way I gauge this is whether I can watch a movie or a Youtube video simultaneously while playing a game without any performance loss
Some games are taking a ten + frames hit

I find this disappointing and quite a let down considering the both could easily be run on a core to themselves.


My overall conclusion is it was not worth the money spent in terms of improving system performance and daily use in contrast to my previous arrangement
However as part of my original consideration, I cannot keep installing new graphics cards forever - the platform did require an upgrade

Therefore in that sense of future proofing and providing a platform that won't provide diminishing returns on a new future GPU, then I feel for the money (although I'd argue this stuff is still way too expensive), it was a fair and reasonable outcome

Your GPU used to be a dream card a long time ago, I think you are due an upgrade. Sadly, the fact is that even beastly card like the 1080 TI is 3 generations behind. Each successive generation’s next lower tier card usually beats the previous one, right? So that means even your card might be equivalent to what a 4060 would perform as today. That might be a fine card, we’ll see, but clearly you’ve got some room for improvement. I got my 6750 XT for $310 on sale, and nothing beats the value for performance. The new 7600 series might be worth looking into depending on where prices settle next month, <$400 if it performs on the 6700 XT level is not bad. Other than that, the 6800 - 6950 XT offer the best performance for $500 - 600 respectively. Nvidia isn’t even attempting to be competitive with their current pricing and thus I would avoid them at this time.

If upgrading the GPU doesn’t ascend your performance then you might need to replace your power supply like another has said. My 7 yr old supply does the job but I feel like my computer takes a long time to post. I’ll ride it until it dies, but doesn’t a new build like yours deserve a new PSU on principle?

 

[dgianstefani]

Base 4060 honestly looks reasonable. 4090/4060 are only Ada products that offer good price/perf if you ask me.

$300 for Ada media support and efficiency is very nice. The 8 GB doesn't matter to me for that price range since you won't be playing at ultra.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Base 4060 honestly looks reasonable. 4090/4060 are only Ada products that offer good price/perf if you ask me.

The 4060ti looks like a trash fire for 400..... Not sure the 4060 will fare much better.

As a media only gpu maybe.

 

[dgianstefani]

The 4060ti looks like a trash fire for 400..... Not sure the 4060 will fare much better.

As a media only gpu maybe.

4060 is going to be between a 2080 and 2080 Ti, not sure how this qualifies as a media only gpu lol.

Reminder, the vast majority of users are on xx60 class.

Plus, DLSS, DLAA, DLSS frame generation etc.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

4060 is going to be between a 2080 and 2080 Ti, not sure how this qualifies as a media only gpu lol.

Reminder, the vast majority of users are on xx60 class.

Plus, DLSS, DLAA, DLSS frame generation etc.

I guess we will see when reviews drop the 4060ti is looking like it's less than 14% better than the 3060ti at 1080p it will be interesting how the 4060 looks vs the 3060 with 50% less vram.

 

[newconroer]

New Ryzen build - system freezes - not the a-typical black screen or WHEA

After some great advisement by fellow members, I have recently platform JUMPED (ok that might be extreme) from Sandybridge to AM5 And while it's pretty much been good overall, I am stumped about system crashing that is occurring I might have to update this post as I go as I will invariably...

www.techpowerup.com

OP has a thread where it's been suggested that it is likely his decade old power supply is probably the cause of performance issues.


It's a known issue if you're using two monitors, especially with different refresh rates, that YT videos will stutter on some NVIDIA card setups.

The videos are OK, rather the 3d application/games is what loses out
I suppose it could go both ways though when watching say a 4k Movie and trying to game, the video might be choppy.

For GPU my path forward is likely waiting for 4070 to permeate through the market for half a year or so then get one used off Ebay.
Or be more patient and let the new 5 series release, wait a year longer and get a 4080 used.

 

[dgianstefani]

I guess we will see when reviews drop the 4060ti is looking like it's less than 14% better than the 3060ti at 1080p it will be interesting how the 4060 looks vs the 3060 with 50% less vram.

Well, the 4070 Ti is still 10% faster than the 3090, which has double the VRAM, so I don't think that's the best metric to compare for performance.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Well, the 4070 Ti is still 10% faster than the 3090, which has double the VRAM, so I don't think that's the best metric to compare for performance.

but it chokes hard at 4k which an 800+ gpu should have no problem with.

 

[dgianstefani]

but it chokes hard at 4k which an 800+ gpu should have no problem with.

And who will be playing at 4K on a 4060?

4070 Ti is still 3% faster than the 3090, even at 4K.

 

[nomdeplume]

For GPU my path forward is likely waiting for 4070 to permeate through the market for half a year or so then get one used off Ebay.
Or be more patient and let the new 5 series release, wait a year longer and get a 4080 used.

Agree with your earlier sentiments on worth of upgrade you did make. For all the good it did you have now fully gpu bound everything.

Take whatever comes up at a reasonable price that is still in good condition is a very popular idea right now. 1080ti is likely to remain a viable card for the majority of gamers long enough you should be able to sell it off easily when that day arrives.

 

[tussinman]

Base 4060 honestly looks reasonable. 4090/4060 are only Ada products that offer good price/perf if you ask me.

$300 for Ada media support and efficiency is very nice. The 8 GB doesn't matter to me for that price range since you won't be playing at ultra.

4060 die looks really cut down. It might only end up being 12-15% faster than TCs current card (obviously it will have newer features and better power but that's a pretty small upgrade).

Rumors are 2080 level performance which sounds cool but reality is the 6650xt has been 2080 level performance for $300 or less for what like 7 or 8 months now ? (Not exactly exciting performance for the dollar when we've had that for over half a year now).

I guess we will see when reviews drop the 4060ti is looking like it's less than 14% better than the 3060ti at 1080p it will be interesting how the 4060 looks vs the 3060 with 50% less vram.

I don't see the 4060 base model being that exciting. Might be slightly faster than a 6650xt which has been a sub 300 dollar card since what like October/November of last year ?

 

[Eric3988]

4060 die looks really cut down. It might only end up being 12-15% faster than TCs current card (obviously it will have newer features and better power but that's a pretty small upgrade).

Rumors are 2080 level performance which sounds cool but reality is the 6650xt has been 2080 level performance for $300 or less for what like 7 or 8 months now ? (Not exactly exciting performance for the dollar when we've had that for over half a year now).


I don't see the 4060 base model being that exciting. Might be slightly faster than a 6650xt which has been a sub 300 dollar card since what like October/November of last year ?

Yeah, wait for reviews on the 4060, but still Nvidia is not competitive as far as prices go today.