Ryzen 5600X3D coming soon?

[LabRat 891]

The 6500XT was fine, assuming you plugged it into a PCIe Gen 4 system, the x4 nature of the card wasn't a problem.

If you didn't, and used a Gen 3 system which is still the most common, as would be likely, due to the budget nature of the card making it appealing for those who had cheaper/older systems, you would get the equivalent of PCIe Gen 4 x2, which is a tiny amount of bandwidth, and seriously hurt performance in the order of 10-15%.

Not untrue; and I personally know someone that 'fell for' precisely that:
He bought a 6400 for PCIe gen2/3 builds.
Though, in his case (and possibly others') what was attractive was the fact it's a SFF and power-sipping GPU. The performance uplift over the 1050Ti it replaced was just a bonus.

OTOH, The 6500XT is pushed well-beyond the 'efficiency sweet spot'. (In my experience: evidenced by my Powercolor's otherwise more-than-sufficient cooler getting utterly overwhelmed by heat with even a minor OC.) If I ever get around to it, I'd like to de-tune my 6500XT and passively cool it w/ some kit-bashed salvage cooler.

For those of us already using CPUs/APUs 'below' the prospective-performance of this rumored 5600X3D, it's quite attractive.

For me in particular, the 3D Vertical Cache technology is 'damned interesting'; from years-gone-by experience moar cache = moar snap (note: not higher benchmarks).
Even if verifiably not-true today, it doesn't change the 'irrational' parts of my interest.

 

[kapone32]

Not untrue; and I personally know someone that 'fell for' precisely that:
He bought a 6400 for PCIe gen2/3 builds.
Though, in his case (and possibly others') what was attractive was the fact it's a SFF and power-sipping GPU. The performance uplift over the 1050Ti it replaced was just a bonus.

OTOH, The 6500XT is pushed well-beyond the 'efficiency sweet spot'. (In my experience: evidenced by my Powercolor's otherwise more-than-sufficient cooler getting utterly overwhelmed by heat with even a minor OC.) If I ever get around to it, I'd like to de-tune my 6500XT and passively cool it w/ some kit-bashed salvage cooler.

For those of us already using CPUs/APUs 'below' the prospective-performance of this rumored 5600X3D, it's quite attractive.

For me in particular, the 3D Vertical Cache technology is 'damned interesting'; from years-gone-by experience moar cache = moar snap (note: not higher benchmarks).
Even if verifiably not-true today, it doesn't change the 'irrational' parts of my interest.

I am willing to bet that the 5600X3D will sell like hotcakes once people that own 2600s/3600s see the Vcache and clock speed. I don't expect them to be faster that the 5600X by much except in 1% lows.

 

[dgianstefani]

I am willing to bet that the 5600X3D will sell like hotcakes once people that own 2600s/3600s see the Vcache and clock speed. I don't expect them to be faster that the 5600X by much except in 1% lows.

The 5800X3D can currently be had for $289.99 BNIB, even less when deals are live.

The 5600X3D would need to be ~$200 for it to be worth the downgrade, and there's no way AMD would sell it for that. There's good reason why they haven't bothered with a six core X3D.

 

[LabRat 891]

The 5800X3D can currently be had for $289.99 BNIB, even less when deals are live.

The 5600X3D would need to be ~$200 for it to be worth the downgrade, and there's no way AMD would sell it for that. There's good reason why they haven't bothered with a six core X3D.

Connotation aside, ~$200 is precisely where I feel like this rumored CPU would 'slot-in'.

'Gotta keep in mind that AM5's getting another generation soon, and AMD's (openly) still supporting AM4 into the future.
To me, that implies another coming price cut on AM4 Active SKUs and prev. generation AM5 SKUs.

 

[dgianstefani]

We'll see. I doubt it.

 

[wheresmycar]

I'd be more interested in seeing a $300 7600X3D and i was a little surprised it wasn't rolled out when AM5 launched. I guess if a 5600X3D ends up seeing some daylight there's a pretty good chance we'll see a 6 core 3XD Zen 4 part at some point (hopefully). "At some point" - yep thats the state of affairs with these high-tech CPU/GPU companies... all the mid-performance gamer befitting stuff left to last, like crumbs on a plate. Everyones gotto eat!

 

[kapone32]

To be honest the AM5 CPUs that I am salivating for are the AM5 RDNA APUs. I keep saying it but I have been watching videos on the handhelds that have them to justify my position that they will completely change the budget scene. This is why I can see the 5600X3D as a real product so that AM4 and AM5 users are covered. Let's keep in mind that according to AMD they have sold some 17 million AM4 CPUs. That is an absolutely huge user base to abandon.

 

[Dr. Dro]

This would be fantastic if true - and prices are good. I've got enough spare components that just getting a cpu and board would yield another entire complete build just fine.

 

[LabRat 891]

To be honest the AM5 CPUs that I am salivating for are the AM5 RDNA APUs. I keep saying it but I have been watching videos on the handhelds that have them to justify my position that they will completely change the budget scene.

This needs a thread all its own.

While I'm not looking to upgrade away from AM4, I too have been patiently waiting and tantalizing over the latest APUs. IMHO, DDR5 finally seems to have the bandwidth to respectably feed the iGPU

 

[kapone32]

If it's configured wrong, there can be issues, but this isn't the case, up to six threads, it's locked at 4.55 GHz.

Temperature results are due to these reasons I already outlined, and not due to core counts, clock speeds or anything else.


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5.7 Ghz isn't on the 3DVCache chiplet, so it's irrelevant to gaming.

I understand you have purchase pride, but your chip is the slowest of the Zen4 X3D trio, this isn't gaslighting, it's a fact, and that fact is due to the six core nature. If core count isn't king, as you say, why would you buy the 6+6 core over the 8 core?

The chip is a compromise, if you want best gaming performance, you get the 7800X3D, if you want the best workstation performance, you get the 7950X, if you want both, you get the 7950X3D.

Where did you see me say 5.7 GHZ? I said all core 5 GHZ and that is not weak. Do you have a 7900X3D? If you don't you can't really refute what I am saying about my chip. I am not a noob or some simp that is trying to be a snot nosed nerd trying to justify my purchase. Yep a compromise that they gave you 12 physical cores with hyper threading. 13 billion transistors, Vcache, A IGPU and I/O die that pulls 55-65 Watts in all scenarios max. Give me a break I should spend another $400 for a 16 core or pay $200 less for an 8 core?

The 7800X3D. Yep unless I was one of those users that went from a 5900X to a 5800X3D and missed the snappiness and wanted AMD to add Vcache to it's 12 and 16 core chips. So now I have my cake and I can eat it too and my 7900XT does not complain so I don't mind.

For my own sanity I just went on Newegg, Amazon and B&H and read reviews of the 7900X3D. The biggest complaint is that they did not get Jedi, not that the 7800X3D is faster in Gaming. I want you to tell me you can tell a difference between 185 and 200 FPS on a 165Hz or 144hz monitor anyway. Then you know what throw 4K in the equation and run what you can and think that 8 more threads can have no increase in performance when you are asking the PC to render those pixels. This is not 2012 but 2023 and there is no PS5 Game that runs faster on that has been ported to PC vs my system

You can get some proof. I like to Watch the PC World Livestream. They had the topic of console ports not working or being VRAM hungry or stuttering. So I have some of these Games and I put in a Super Chat asking "I have a 7900XT, why don't I have any of these issues". The response was what? Well if you pay you can brute force performance. Not that AMD users are covered if they get a GPU with at least 12GB of VRAM for 1440P for any Game. That is why on Newegg Canada the As Rock Challenger 6700XT has been the best selling GPU for months.

 

[dgianstefani]

Where did you see me say 5.7 GHZ?

What you are forgetting is that the 5.7 GHz clock is on the 7900X3D too so you can come again.

You shound try reading what you've written every now and then .

Anyway, glad you're happy with your 6+6 .

Yes, you can tell the difference between different FPS, and latency differences of single vs dual CCD CPUs, even if you've got a monitor thats low refresh rate, just to clear that up .

Give me a break I should spend another $400 for a 16 core or pay $200 less for an 8 core?

Difference is $50 and $100 BTW.

 

[A Computer Guy]

Honestly, I kinda felt like that's what the Ryzen 1600 Rev. 2 (Zen+) was.
IIRC, it was released shortly before/around when Ryzen 3000 (Zen 2) was launched, and presented a 'budget' option alongside both Ryzen 2000 and 3000 sales.


This was my intended upgrade path, later on (if 5800X3Ds never lowered in price before becoming 'a premium' on the after-market.)

Problem, though:
Depending on where *exactly* the OEM CPU came from, it could be bricked.
Lenovo is known to use AMD's 'fuse blowing-platform lock', but I've ran across suspicions of other OEMs doing the same.
If the CPU isn't virgin then it may be useless.

Also, the whole 3DVcache tech intrigues and attracts me.
A lot like the short-lived Intel Broadwell w/ eDRAM or HBM-equipped GPUs, it's a 'curio(sity)' to me. (atop the desired performance uplift over my existing h/w)

Does that include the AM4 Pro series CPU's? I really want to get a Pro so I can have the iGPU and ECC but I'm bit nervous about getting one from eBay after I read similar stories about the CPU fuse.
It's a real shame AMD didn't have retail boxes for the Pro Series CPU's. Still waiting for AM5 to present more ECC support before I'm ready to dive in.

 

[kapone32]

You shound try reading what you've written every now and then .

Anyway, glad you're happy with your 6+6 .

TLDR the rest tbh.

Yes, you can tell the difference between different FPS, and latency differences of single vs dual CCD monitors, even if you've not got a monitor thats low refresh rate, just do clear that up .

Haha based on that logic I should be lamneting my 5800X3D. I did not mention the Vcache in that 5.7 GHz. I did say an all core 5.0 GHZ though. I am glad that I can afford to test the things I want myself. Getting 200 FPS on a 60Hz monitor won't feel different on a dual vs single CCD chip. Just because the consoles have 8 cores does not means that the PC should be hampered by the same.

 

[LabRat 891]

Yes, you can tell the difference between different FPS, and latency differences of single vs dual CCD CPUs, even if you've got a monitor thats low refresh rate, just to clear that up

Oh, my...
You have a (potentially) controversial opinion that I agree with!
I'm shocked.

That's actually why I had pined over a 3300X for awhile, even w/ a 3600 already. (until I went to eBay and saw them going at absolutely bonkers premiums).
I got a 5600 instead. lol

It's a "minor enough" issue to 'accept'.
Related: I can recall some eSports teams moving backwards to Ivy Bridge in the opening-era of Ryzen, precisely for the lowest overall system latency. ...and, considering I had a Z77 and 3770k before my AM4 build, I'd have to agree: there's been 'regressions' in some 'performance categories'.

 

[dgianstefani]

Oh, my...
You have a (potentially) controversial opinion that I agree with!
I'm shocked.

That's actually why I had pined over a 3300X for awhile, even w/ a 3600 already. (until I went to eBay and saw them going at absolutely bonkers premiums).
I got a 5600 instead. lol

None of what I'm saying here is opinion, it's measurable and verifyable fact. But thanks.

Latency has always been king for gaming and no amount of MHz or cores will change that basic reflection of physics. It's why Skylake derivatives stayed competitive with three generations of Zen, you're talking 35ns memory latency vs 60ns, the "better" performance of the Zen cores can't make up for that in gaming loads. Also why X3D chips are so much better than non, the cache reduces the penalty of Zen's slower ram access.

I'm hoping Intel's move away from monolithic won't be too detrimental. In many ways the 13th gen is a swan song.

Maybe the tile based approach that will replace it is less problematic than the chiplet approach, we'll see.

 

[LabRat 891]

"Facts" are used every single moment of every single day to convey and imply opinion and fiction.

Advertising and marketing are great examples:
A particularly presented fact is nothing more than the opinion of the manufacturer/advertiser.

As an in-industry example:
Intel's (and more-recently AMD's) market-presentation slide shows are chock full o' "facts" presented in a manner to construct/construe a particular perception. Which, may not be 'actually factual'.

De facto, we live in an era where facts are opinions and opinions are facts; it just depends on who you ask (and where the money is).

 

[dgianstefani]

"Facts" are used every single moment of every single day to convey and imply opinion and fiction.

Advertising and marketing are a great examples:
A particularly presented fact is nothing more than the opinion of the manufacturer/advertiser.

As an in-industry example:
Intel's (and more-recently AMD's) market-presentation slide shows are chock full o' "facts" presented in a manner to construct/construe a particular perception. Which, may not be 'actually factual'.

De facto, we live in an era where facts are opinions and opinions are facts; it just depends on who you ask (and where the money is).

Maybe by some. You and anyone else are welcome to try and find a disparity between what I've said here and the repeatable and consistent testing results from many different sources that led to these statements I've made. This isn't politics, it's computers, someone could state a 4090 is slower than a 3090, it's pretty easy to refute that, but isn't evidence that things can't be stated as fact, correctly, or that everything is a matter of opinion, that's just post modernist tripe.

The facts are, lower latency is better for gaming, and eight cores are better than six otherwise identical cores.

Nothing about that is opinion, marketing or advertising. It's just observation that is repeatable by anyone with integrity and a functional understanding of the topic.

Intel and AMD both get ripped apart and rightly so, when their marketing presents these "facts" you refer to, because everyone knows that isn't what they are. The existence of lies doesn't make the truth go away.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Could be BS, yes. But, the reasoning you're deriving that from is incorrect:
4/20/23 -

AMD Announces New Ryzen Embedded 5000 Series Processors for Networking Solutions

AMD today announced the availability of its high-performance AMD Ryzen Embedded 5000 Series, a new solution for customers requiring power-efficient processors optimized for "always on" networking firewalls, network-attached storage systems and other security applications. The Ryzen Embedded 5000...

www.techpowerup.com

So, by AMD's own Press Release, AM4 will not EoL until ~2028.

Ryzen Embedded doesn't use socket AM4, but as a long-term platform, it's a great thing for AMD to keep around, at least for now. It's much more stable than socket AM5 for the time being, DDR4 compatible, performs well - you can build an excellent lower-cost PC with it. There is a market for a CPU like the 5600X3D, and if it's $200, I'd consider purchasing one simply because I have leftovers from my old build I could reuse with it.

Does that include the AM4 Pro series CPU's? I really want to get a Pro so I can have the iGPU and ECC but I'm bit nervous about getting one from eBay after I read similar stories about the CPU fuse.
It's a real shame AMD didn't have retail boxes for the Pro Series CPU's. Still waiting for AM5 to present more ECC support before I'm ready to dive in.

Ryzen Pro is not required for using ECC on socket AM4, with the sole exception of the APUs (G-series), so if you can forgo the iGPU, any ol' Ryzen 2000, 3000 or 5000 chip paired with a X570 motherboard will do.

Pro is actually undesirable as the multiplier is locked, the exchange is locked multiplier for triple the warranty and you're not getting that warranty off an eBay CPU anyway.

 

[A Computer Guy]

Ryzen Embedded doesn't use socket AM4, but as a long-term platform, it's a great thing for AMD to keep around, at least for now. It's much more stable than socket AM5 for the time being, DDR4 compatible, performs well - you can build an excellent lower-cost PC with it. There is a market for a CPU like the 5600X3D, and if it's $200, I'd consider purchasing one simply because I have leftovers from my old build I could reuse with it.



Ryzen Pro is not required for using ECC on socket AM4, with the sole exception of the APUs (G-series), so if you can forgo the iGPU, any ol' Ryzen 2000, 3000 or 5000 chip paired with a X570 motherboard will do.

Pro is actually undesirable as the multiplier is locked, the exchange is locked multiplier for triple the warranty and you're not getting that warranty off an eBay CPU anyway.

Well I'm not planning to OC the pro I just want one with iGPU so I can have ECC too (I have a lot of DDR4-ECC laying around) and slimdown my home server into something like an inwin ITX case.

https://www.amazon.com/WIN-150W-Mini-ITX-Black-BQ656T-AD150TB3/dp/B01LVV6WVU/ref=asc_df_B01LVV6WVU/

At AMD they're getting desperate, sales are slow on all parts so they'll apparently make a x600 X3D, they sure weren't in a hurry to make a 5600 X3D.

You will know they are desperate when they come out with a Zen4 X3D Overdrive CPU that plugs into AM4 socket.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Well I'm not planning to OC the pro I just want one with iGPU so I can have ECC too (I have a lot of DDR4-ECC laying around) and slimdown my home server into something like an inwin ITX case.

https://www.amazon.com/WIN-150W-Mini-ITX-Black-BQ656T-AD150TB3/dp/B01LVV6WVU/ref=asc_df_B01LVV6WVU/

You will know they are desperate when they come out with a Zen4 X3D Overdrive CPU that plugs into AM4 socket.

Oh, in that case you might wanna grab something like a Pro 4750G. But seems a lot of investment unless you're badly in need of space, I just use a regular mini tower with a micro ATX board, and an old socket 775 G41 board with a Core 2 Quad. it runs my personal Minecraft server, hosts files and acts as my router very happily. No need to upgrade.

btw lol that'd make me buy another socket AM4 board like right now, pipe dream though

 

[The King]

I was expecting this CPU to be released months ago.Too late IMHO.

In local markets the 13600K is considerable cheaper than 5800X3D which the intel CPU is a much better CPU overall as far has I am concerned.

Only good thing at the moment are that 5600/5600X/5600G are at really low prices currently.

I expect this 5600X3D to sell more than the current priced 5800X non 3D version.

I won't be interested in spending that much without upgrading from the AM4 platform.

So too late AMD.

 

[LabRat 891]

Ryzen Embedded doesn't use socket AM4, but as a long-term platform, it's a great thing for AMD to keep around, at least for now. It's much more stable than socket AM5 for the time being, DDR4 compatible, performs well - you can build an excellent lower-cost PC with it. There is a market for a CPU like the 5600X3D, and if it's $200, I'd consider purchasing one simply because I have leftovers from my old build I could reuse with it.

Uh... huh...

AMD Bolsters Embedded Portfolio with New Ryzen Embedded 5000 Series Processors for Networking Solutions

Browse AMD’s company-wide and financial press releases.

ir.amd.com

“This expansion of our embedded product portfolio offers a mid-range solution that fills the gap between our low-power BGA Ryzen Embedded and our world-class EPYC embedded family for customers requiring both high performance and scalability of up to 16 cores.”

https://www.amd.com/en/products/ryzen-embedded-5000-series

 

[Dr. Dro]

Uh... huh...

https://www.amd.com/en/products/ryzen-embedded-5000-series

Embedded, but socketed, removable and interchangeable? What's the embedded in that? I blame AMD

Alright, I stand corrected haha

 

[LabRat 891]

Embedded, but socketed, removable and interchangeable? What's the embedded in that? I blame AMD

Alright, I stand corrected haha

Your assumption in the matter is understandable. The last several generations of 'embedded' has typically-implied BGA-soldered.

At least from what I've gathered:
"Embedded" means more that the platform is embedded within an appliance.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Your assumption in the matter is understandable. The last several generations of 'embedded' has typically-implied BGA-soldered.

At least from what I've gathered:
"Embedded" means more that the platform is embedded within an appliance.

I mean, it's a valid point, it's just that I never saw any embedded processor or system which wasn't BGA based and this includes the previous generation Ryzen Embedded processors.

At those clock rates and TDP ratings, it seems that these are literally just regular desktop processors segmented and reserved for the enterprise market, but I'm just dumbfounded about it, what embedded application wants a 16-core, 105-watt socketed CPU?