Leak Indicates G.SKILL Prepping Non-Binary 24 GB DDR5 Memory Modules w/ AMD EXPO Support

[ir_cow]

48GB and 24GB sub 6000 are listed as Spectek B on Gigabyte's QVL while those above 6000 are based on Hynix M chips. Thats why I was wondering how those Micron based kits compare to Hynix.

Only done the preliminaries with the GSKILL Hynix ones. They too have higher sub-timings compared to 16GB DIMMs. At those higher speeds the primary timings are higher as well. These 24GB DIMMS are good for those who still want to be using single-channel memory but absolutely need more than 32GB.

Edit: I don't have a apples to apples comparison. of Hynix and Micron retail kits at the same frequency. Downclocking the higher end or overclocking the lower kit is easy to match the primary, but the sub-timings are unknown. I need a kit in hand to know what they are. Otherwise its whatever timings are from the XMP/EXPO profile for that specific bin and will skew the results to find out if Hynix or Micron 24 DIMMS are better. I will say Hynix 24GB I have can easily do 8200 while, Micron won't pass 7000 overclocked.

Here is my Hwbot submission for 8000 https://hwbot.org/submission/5292023_ and 7000 for Micron https://hwbot.org/submission/5233079_

 

[Tomorrow]

Am I the ONLY one who doesn't understand what the big deal about 24GB/48GB ram for consumers is? Needing exactly 48GB as opposed to 32GB or 64GB or needing 192GB over 128GB must be an incredibly niche application....what am I missing?

Ability to use 96GB instead of 64GB on memory OC focused boards with two DIMM slots.

 

[Chaitanya]

Ability to use 96GB instead of 64GB on memory OC focused boards with two DIMM slots.

Also on CPU with cores in multiples of 6, while running VMs you can have 4 or 8GB RAM/core.

 

[Metroid]

For rizen most important factor is timings, 2x32gb cl30 and you are set, at moment as far as I know, 2x48gb would need cl40 to be stable.

 

[RH92]

@phanbuey just a tease with a RTX 4090 both have the same primary timings. Also I realized I wrote 5200 and not 5600. Oops! Time to fix that.

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So completely useless unless you need 48Gb instead of 36GB for some reason which makes no sense for gaming ..... for productivity workloads 64GB makes more sense .

Ability to use 96GB instead of 64GB on memory OC focused boards with two DIMM slots.

Well if you pick a ''memory OC focused board'' your focus is to OC the ram not to have tons of ram .... 32GB of ram will do for most competitive OC tasks .

 

[Wirko]

Also on CPU with cores in multiples of 6, while running VMs you can have 4 or 8GB RAM/core.

Why does exact amount per core or per VM matter? My only experience with VMs is with Virtualbox but I haven't seen issues when I set memory size with a slider to something like 12345 MB.

It's like what nvidia does already for many years odd ram sizes like 5 or 11gb

My xeon system has 6x8GB sticks for 48gb in hexa channel config.

Not exactly. Here, each DRAM die has a non-power-of-two capacity, which very probably is a first.

The capacity is exactly 110 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 bits, obviously a non-binary number.

 

[AusWolf]

Timings seem to be a bit worse than on my already not-the-best 32 GB Corsair kit, but that shouldn't be a problem, I guess.

 

[Tomorrow]

Well if you pick a ''memory OC focused board'' your focus is to OC the ram not to have tons of ram .... 32GB of ram will do for most competitive OC tasks .

Yes but this is only one example. Two other examples are those who use mITX boards that have two slots. So compact computers but need more than 32GB or 64GB. Also those on cheaper boards that have two slots for memory.

For ryzen most important factor is timings, 2x32gb cl30 and you are set, at moment as far as I know, 2x48gb would need cl40 to be stable.

G.Skill has 2x48GB 8000 kits. I see no reason why they would not be able to produce 2x48GB 6000 CL30 kits too.

 

[ir_cow]

kill has 2x48GB 8000 kits. I see no reason why they would not be able to produce 2x48GB 6000 CL30 kits too.

Dual Rank generally has loser sub timings compared to single rank. You can often match primaries though. I should see how low I can go with this GKILL kit. I only went up so far.

 

[thunderingroar]

Yeah I cant wait for the reviews to see how these actually perform.

Exactly the same its just more capacity

 

[A Computer Guy]

Am I the ONLY one who doesn't understand what the big deal about 24GB/48GB ram for consumers is? Needing exactly 48GB as opposed to 32GB or 64GB or needing 192GB over 128GB must be an incredibly niche application....what am I missing?

I think someone on the forum mentioned in the past that this can be useful for virtualization. You can dedicate 128GB ram for VM's and have a bit left over for the OS or hypervisor.

I think it's just a lame attempt at clickbait and controversy trying to connect a topic with current culture wars

It's like back in the day the issue with HDD master vs. slave. It had nothing to do with promoting actual slavery but somehow someone saw fit to "correct" industry lexicon and change it up to primary vs. secondary instead so it wouldn't be offensive? I just want my PC to be my Personal Computer not necessarily Politically Correct or a platform for Policed Coercion.

 

[Wirko]

Exactly the same its just more capacity

Not exactly. The physical size of the chip is larger, revision obviously isn't the same. It's a bit harder to achieve same speed and timings with a larger chip.

 

[zlobby]

Do they idetify as HBM5?

 

[ir_cow]

Exactly the same its just more capacity

nope

 

[RH92]

Yes but this is only one example. Two other examples are those who use mITX boards that have two slots. So compact computers but need more than 32GB or 64GB. Also those on cheaper boards that have two slots for memory.

Honestly if you need more than 64GB for your workflow then chances are you won't use a two dimm mobo ... that's an extremely edge case scenario at best .

 

[Minus Infinity]

Republicans will introduce a bill banning such perverted memory.

 

[zlobby]

The capacity is exactly 110 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 bits, obviously a non-binary number.

Anx yet it can be represented in binary. Odd, no?

 

[Totally]

Republicans will introduce a bill banning marketing such perverted memory to kids.

ftfy

 

[Tomorrow]

Honestly if you need more than 64GB for your workflow then chances are you won't use a two dimm mobo ... that's an extremely edge case scenario at best .

That's well and good if you know ahead of time what your work requires. Edge-case is finding excuses why we dont need bigger capacity individual DIMM's.
And already four DIMM DDR5 boards are pointless for most people. Not just the ones going for speed over capacity.

 

[mechtech]

Why does exact amount per core or per VM matter? My only experience with VMs is with Virtualbox but I haven't seen issues when I set memory size with a slider to something like 12345 MB.


Not exactly. Here, each DRAM die has a non-power-of-two capacity, which very probably is a first.

The capacity is exactly 110 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 bits, obviously a non-binary number.

All I see are 1's and 0's

perfectly binary

Dual Rank generally has loser sub timings compared to single rank. You can often match primaries though. I should see how low I can go with this GKILL kit. I only went up so far.

I'd like to see what you can do with this kit

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F-die (up-down-timings-voltages-etc.)

 

[zlobby]

All I see are 1's and 0's

perfectly binary

There are 10 types of people. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

 

[Wirko]

There are 10 types of people. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

That's a joke I probably haven't seen in 10000 years.

 

[A Computer Guy]

There are 10 types of people. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

I'm gonna stick with metric for now until I need a cup of coffee.

 

[Imsochobo]

it's still BINARY.. FFS!

 

[AusWolf]

it's still BINARY.. FFS!

Yeah. The 12 GB on my 6750 XT has never been called non-binary.