ThrottleStop Settings for i9-12900H

[this_antheM]

I'm looking for some help configuring my TS settings properly. I have an Alienware X15 R2 with an Nvidia RTX 3080 and a Intel i9-12900H. I have done research and followed guides in using TS but i'm not sure what I have done has improved anything. I would like to start fresh with default settings and go from there. Let me know if I will need to download CPU-Z or anything for benchmarking. I mainly use my PC for gaming and am hoping to get the most out of it performance wise. Any help would be appreciated.

 

[unclewebb]

Intel has removed voltage adjustment and many other adjustments from their 12th and 13th Gen mobile H series CPUs. Only the more expensive HX series still have these features.

You can post some screenshots of ThrottleStop but there is probably not much it is going to be able to do with your processor.

i'm not sure what I have done has improved anything.

It probably has not done anything good or bad. Post some screenshots of the main window, the FIVR and TPL windows. Maybe I can make some suggestions. You can also turn on the Log File option and go and play a game for at least 15 minutes. When done testing, exit the game and exit ThrottleStop so it can finalize the log file. Attach a log file to your next post if you would like me to have a look.

I like using Cinebench for any benchmark testing. It tends to be consistent if your computer performance is consistent and it shows results that are easily comparable to other computers that are using the same CPU.

 

[this_antheM]

Intel has removed voltage adjustment and many other adjustments from their 12th and 13th Gen mobile H series CPUs. Only the more expensive HX series still have these features.

You can post some screenshots of ThrottleStop but there is probably not much it is going to be able to do with your processor.


It probably has not done anything good or bad. Post some screenshots of the main window, the FIVR and TPL windows. Maybe I can make some suggestions. You can also turn on the Log File option and go and play a game for at least 15 minutes. When done testing, exit the game and exit ThrottleStop so it can finalize the log file. Attach a log file to your next post if you would like me to have a look.

I like using Cinebench for any benchmark testing. It tends to be consistent if your computer performance is consistent and it shows results that are easily comparable to other computers that are using the same CPU.

Here you go.

 

[unclewebb]

If you want to limit your CPU to 65W, try checking both of the Clamp boxes in the Power Limit Controls section of the TPL window. It looks like your cooling can handle more power. I would probably set both power limits to 75W.

ThrottleStop shows Not Available at the top of the FIVR window. That is a sign of Intel being Intel. They took away all of the important features from the H series. Only HX customers get access to the good stuff now. There is no known way to unlock FIVR voltage control in the 12th and 13th Gen H series processors.

If the BIOS locks the PROCHOT Offset setting, you cannot use ThrottleStop to make any changes. Try clearing Lock PROCHOT Offset and clear PROCHOT Offset. Press OK and then reboot. If you see a lock icon near this setting after rebooting, you cannot make any changes so leave this alone. If Dell has locked PROCHOT Offset to 10, you cannot use ThrottleStop to change this to 5. Your request will be ignored.

Looking forward to a log file. I always like them.

Edit - The log file shows your computer spending lots of time bouncing off the low ball 90°C thermal throttling temperature that Dell has probably set. Reboot and check to see if PROCHOT Offset is really locked. Check the BIOS to see if there is any way to control this setting. You need better cooling or you need to find a way to raise the throttling temperature to get any more performance out of your laptop. No point in raising the power limits unless the throttling temperature can be increased to the Intel recommended value.

 

[this_antheM]

I changed my TCC Offset in Bios to 10 at one point as I read this was beneficial for Alienware laptops. Is that where the PROCHOT comes in to play? I will change the Power Limit Controls to 75W and check clamp on both boxes? I reattached the files with the text log. Appreciate the input and help!

I unchecked Lock PROCHOT Offset in TS and rebooted pc. This is what is showing.

 

[unclewebb]

I read this was beneficial for Alienware laptops

I do not know why anyone would come to that conclusion. The Intel default for PROCHOT Offset or TCC Offset is 0. Using an offset of 10 causes the CPU to start thermal throttling prematurely. Some laptops use an offset of 2 or 3. Setting the offset to 10 seems excessive. Try changing this in the BIOS. The BIOS might lock this setting right away so it cannot be changed in ThrottleStop.

 

[this_antheM]

I do not know why anyone would come to that conclusion. The Intel default for PROCHOT Offset or TCC Offset is 0. Using an offset of 10 causes the CPU to start thermal throttling prematurely. Some laptops use an offset of 2 or 3. Setting the offset to 10 seems excessive. Try changing this in the BIOS. The BIOS might lock this setting right away so it cannot be changed in ThrottleStop.

TCC back to 0 in BIOS?

 

[unclewebb]

TCC back to 0 in BIOS?

That is what I would use but it is up to you. Intel says 0 is OK. Some laptops might try to shut down right at 100°C if this is set to 0. They are not supposed to do that according to Intel but some manufacturers do things not according to the Intel documentation. If you have any shutdowns at 100°C, I would set the offset to between 3 and 5.

 

[this_antheM]

That is what I would use but it is up to you. Intel says 0 is OK. Some laptops might try to shut down right at 100°C if this is set to 0. They are not supposed to do that according to Intel but some manufacturers do things not according to the Intel documentation. If you have any shutdowns at 100°C, I would set the offset to between 3 and 5.

The BIOS limits to increments of 5, so I will try 0 first. I never had any issues with before changing to 10 so I would assume it's ok.

So TCC Offset is set back to 0. This is what I have for TS Settings now. Everything looking okay? One thing I noticed is the Use Profile under Options->Alarm changed to 5 and 4 from all 1 and cant seem to figure out how to put it back to 1.

 

[unclewebb]

Alarm changed to 5

Your screenshots show two different things. The main screen shows PROCHOT Offset must be set to 0. The Options window has the PROCHOT Offset request set to 5. Reboot and make sure the BIOS and ThrottleStop are set to the same value. You might have to delete the ThrottleStop.INI configuration file if setting these to the same value does not fix things.

 

[this_antheM]

Your screenshots show two different things. The main screen shows PROCHOT Offset must be set to 0. The Options window has the PROCHOT Offset request set to 5. Reboot and make sure the BIOS and ThrottleStop are set to the same value. You might have to delete the ThrottleStop.INI configuration file if setting these to the same value does not fix things.

Will do. Attached is a new File Log with a different game. Seems to be throttling.

Ok, deleting the INI and reconfiguring set it back correctly to 0 in the main screen and options.

 

[unclewebb]

Seems to be throttling.

You are living life on the edge of throttling. You can increase the turbo power limits some more to get rid of the power limit throttling. If you do that, then the CPU will run hotter and you will have lots of thermal throttling instead of power limit throttling. It is hard to win at this game.

The heatsink and cooling provided is not enough to get maximum performance out of a 12900H. You can try lowering the turbo ratios in the FIVR window to keep the maximum temperature under control or you can use power limit throttling or thermal throttling to slow the CPU down. I do not know what compromise would give the best overall experience.

 

[this_antheM]

You are living life on the edge of throttling. You can increase the turbo power limits some more to get rid of the power limit throttling. If you do that, then the CPU will run hotter and you will have lots of thermal throttling instead of power limit throttling. It is hard to win at this game.

The heatsink and cooling provided is not enough to get maximum performance out of a 12900H. You can try lowering the turbo ratios in the FIVR window to keep the maximum temperature under control or you can use power limit throttling or thermal throttling to slow the CPU down. I do not know what compromise would give the best overall experience.

I think I would rather power limit throttle opposed to thermal limit throttle and try a repaste. I've been hearing liquid metal or grizzly kryonaut is the way to go. What would you suggest for the turbo ratios in FIVR?

 

[unclewebb]

What would you suggest

Lower the turbo ratios as much as you like. This will reduce performance but it will also reduce heat. It is impossible for me to know how much less performance you are willing to accept. For a lot of games and apps, some reduced CPU performance will barely be noticed.

Honeywell PTM7950 might be a good option for your laptop.