RTX 4060 Ti 16GB Marginally Slower than 8GB Model: MSI Testing

[btarunr]

MSI Insider Weekly tested an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 16 GB graphics card as part of a Live Benchmarking event, where it is shown to be in fact slower than the RTX 4060 Ti 8 GB. This begins to explain why NVIDIA or its board partners weren't too keen on sampling the RTX 4060 Ti 16 GB for reviews. The performance delta between the 16 GB and 8 GB models is within 0.5%, but the 16 GB model is slightly behind the 8 GB in Cyberpunk 2077, F1 23, and Rainbow 6: Siege, all in Ultra (or equivalent settings). The performance is neck-and-neck in Fortnite and Hogwarts Legacy. The only test where the 16 GB variant is ahead is with CS:GO.

Besides the memory size, the RTX 4060 Ti 16 GB has identical specs—core configuration, clock-speeds, power limits, to its 8 GB sibling. One possible explanation for the 16 GB performing slightly worse could be that the higher density 16 GB memory is imposing a slightly higher latency, or having a negligibly higher power draw, but these are all just theory-crafting on our part. The RTX 4060 Ti still has 225 W at its disposal. NVIDIA has proved its point that 16 GB makes no difference to the performance of the RTX 4060 Ti. It's now up to the board partners to sell these cards at a whopping 25% higher price than the 8 GB model. Ideally, NVIDIA could have spruced up the 16 GB variant a little, by enabling all 18 TPCs on the AD106 (the RTX 4060 Ti enables 17); and if the AD106 supports GDDR6X, they should have dialed up memory speed to 21 Gbps.



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[Vya Domus]

NVIDIA has proved its point that 16 GB makes no difference to the performance of the RTX 4060 Ti.

They really haven't, I am sure there are plenty of scenarios at 4K where it does make a difference and even if that's not necessarily the intended use case scenario it's ridiculous this thing was launched with 8GB in the first place.

 

[Dahita]

Still cannot comprehend why they would release a 4060 TI with 16GB when the 4070 TI comes with only 12.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

Still cannot comprehend why they would release a 4060 TI with 16GB when the 4070 TI comes with only 12.

192 bit bus for 4070. 6 chips*2GB

 

[ZoneDymo]

They really haven't, I am sure there are plenty of scenarios at 4K where it does make a difference and even if that's not necessarily the intended use case scenario it's ridiculous this thing was launched with 8GB in the first place.

Its just a bad take imo, the problem is that the 4060Ti is such a cheaply made piece of shit (that they want maximum capitalism covid 19 profit from), that it cant make use of 16gb of Vram, its just compromised in every area.
It has no right carrying the name it does and worse, the price tag....

 

[usiname]

Still cannot comprehend why they would release a 4060 TI with 16GB when the 4070 TI comes with only 12.

Its not the first time
3060 12GB - 3070ti 8GB
2060 12GB - 2080ti 11GB

 

[lemonadesoda]

I look forward to a site i trust doing a comprehensive review: TPU

 

[Daven]

This just keeps getting better and better. As a PC gamer, I’m so happy I don’t feel obligated to buy Nvidia products.

 

[N/A]

4060 Ti is to 2080 Ti whatever 1660 Ti is compared to a 980 Ti at 30% the price and it arrives approximately the same 4+ years after,

except it now has this 128 bit bus it can't keep the memory size at 12. it has to be 8 or 16.

so 4060 Ti is the little 60 class, pretty much like a 1660 Ti that coexisted with the big 60-class 2060.

 

[john_]

NVIDIA has proved its point that 16 GB makes no difference to the performance of the RTX 4060 Ti.

The only thing Nvidia has proved, is that 4060 Ti is butchered in so many ways that it is beyond repair.
And the proof of that is, what happens when you double the memory on an RTX 3070
Modded NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 With 16 GB of VRAM Shows Impressive Performance Uplift | TechPowerUp

 

[Guwapo77]

***removed comment - I see its 4060Ti 8GB vs 16GB.

 

[N/A]

16GB is slower because it hits the TGP limit. HUB has a speciffic set of games that bring 8GB to its knees, Some games can't even load on 8GB even in 1080p.

4060 Ti would have been 10% faster than a 2080 Ti if it only had 192 bit and it would have taken only 12,5 mm2 more die area to add it. But unfortunately 4060 and 4070 are messed up.

 

[chrcoluk]

192 bit bus for 4070. 6 chips*2GB

Something stopping them from changing the bus on the 4070 to support 16 gig?

Nvidia seem really inflexible on their bus width nonsense.

 

[Ed_1]

Its just a bad take imo, the problem is that the 4060Ti is such a cheaply made piece of shit (that they want maximum capitalism covid 19 profit from), that it cant make use of 16gb of Vram, its just compromised in every area.
It has not right carrying the name it does and worse, the price tag....

Yeah, this thing should of been 4050 and 100$ lower (like-250$ card)
That bus is just crippling it.

What Nvidia did with 40 series is move the whole stack from 4080 and down, so in others words lower each version to lower one for true feature correct models and then have a card between the 4080 an 4090, there just to big gap there.

 

[scooze]

They really haven't, I am sure there are plenty of scenarios at 4K where it does make a difference and even if that's not necessarily the intended use case scenario it's ridiculous this thing was launched with 8GB in the first place.

I am sure even 1030 16GB DDR4 had potential

 

[Assimilator]

it's ridiculous this thing was launched with 8GB in the first place.

No it's not. VRAM doesn't matter if the GPU itself isn't 4K-capable, and neither AD106 nor AD107 are. 8GB is the correct amount of memory for the resolutions this card is intended for (1080p native, 1440p native, 4K DLSS), the 16GB model only exists because people like you keep whining that NVIDIA GPUs don't have enough memory.

 

[rv8000]

Something stopping them from changing the bus on the 4070 to support 16 gig?

Nvidia seem really inflexible on their bus width nonsense.

They’re maxing the sku vs milking factor as much as they can. Give them another 6-8 months and they’ll have 2 more 4060 variants with different memory, CU and bus widths.

 

[Arkz]

No it's not. VRAM doesn't matter if the GPU itself isn't 4K-capable, and neither AD106 nor AD107 are. 8GB is the correct amount of memory for the resolutions this card is intended for (1080p native, 1440p native, 4K DLSS), the 16GB model only exists because people like you keep whining that NVIDIA GPUs don't have enough memory.

Loads of games already push past 8GB in 1440p, and some even in 1080p. And that's right now, so in a few years it will no doubt be worse. So why go for the 8GB right now when it's already limited in various games. There shouldn't have been an 8GB version in the first place.

 

[lemonadesoda]

For all we know, the drivers aren’t yet optimised for 16gb. I’ve got an open mind on this until we see some more reviews/analysis from real cards. If it helps 4K DLSS then it’s worth it. (As in reason to do it, not price).

 

[gffermari]

nVidia is right not giving big amounts of VRAM because their cards are used for so many workloads far from gaming.
In any way, they will try to not give you enough vram or you have to pay ridiculously prices for that (2080Ti, Titan RTX, 3090, 4090).
The 4060Ti with 16GB would be the perfect card for all use cases. But nVidia, correctly, suffocated the memory bandwidth, so if you really need more and efficient vram in a gpu, you still have to pay for a 4070Ti/4080/4090.

Also, nvidia can just change the Ada die layout, make it a bit bigger (in a slightly smaller node or not), increase the bandwidth in every tier and have a brand new 5000 gen.

 

[Mr. Perfect]

The performance delta between the 16 GB and 8 GB models is within 0.5%

Is that even outside the margin of error?

 

[SCP-001]

If I recall correctly, the issue with the 8gb card wasn't the average performance. It was the 1% lows and the textures not loading correctly. I would like to see the games that suffered from this tested rather than games that, as far as I am aware, don't have this VRAM allocation issue and see how they performed. The average FPS tells us basically nothing about this GPU or Nvidia's arguement that the 4060 ti doesn't need more than 8gb of VRAM.

 

[kapone32]

I look forward to a site i trust doing a comprehensive review: TPU

It was a live stream you could see everything?

 

[Shrek]

Is 0.5% difference even worth mentioning?

 

[kapone32]

Is 0.5% difference even worth mentioning?

After the 3rd Game I went out for a smoke. I am pretty sure MSI did average, lowest and highest FPS in the chart. This for me speaks to the 128bit bus and the speed of the GPU being limitations. I completely understand why this card was not reviewed. It would have been a blood bath for Nvidia as there is no way to make this card look good. Before anyone tries the Conspiracy theory route, this was on the Official MSI channel not some individual. As they have 4 variants of the card you can take that as the best effort to put the card in a positive light but there is nothing to justify the price. With these numbers you could not even justify a $20 premium for double the VRAM. That makes absolutely no sense. The reason I say that is that AMD APUs are able to use up to 16GB of RAM and with DDR5 it would seem you will feel a difference if you use a 8 vs 16 GB buffer as the performance difference of the handhelds is showing.