Gigabyte Quietly Launches Low Profile GeForce RTX 4060 Graphics Card

[Squared]

The smallest ITX case is probably the Velka 3 or something similar.
I mean, how much smaller you want your case to be, so that you are willing to sacrifice a potentially 4070 in ITX format?

About the cost, ok. Most of them are on the expensive side for the size and quality you get.

It's hard for me to justify the expense of an HTPC—literally a PC I only use with my TV. This is why I have a super old one now. So if I were to replace it, getting into 4060-perfprmance territory sounds really great, and it's a lot cheaper than the Velkase option. And I really don't want a riser cable; aside from the expense and the difficult assembly, I don't want the extra point of failure. Sometimes games crash, and it can be difficult to figure out why. No riser means one less thing to troubleshoot.

So the low-profile world seems pretty great compared to ITX. Although it'd be a lot better if there were more case and power supply options.

 

[Dan.G]

It's hard for me to justify the expense of an HTPC—literally a PC I only use with my TV. This is why I have a super old one now. So if I were to replace it, getting into 4060-perfprmance territory sounds really great, and it's a lot cheaper than the Velkase option. And I really don't want a riser cable; aside from the expense and the difficult assembly, I don't want the extra point of failure. Sometimes games crash, and it can be difficult to figure out why. No riser means one less thing to troubleshoot.

So the low-profile world seems pretty great compared to ITX. Although it'd be a lot better if there were more case and power supply options.

If you don't run demanding games, you can consider a mini-PC.
The Minisforum UM773 Lite is just 359 $ barebone and you get DDR5 + Radeon 680M. Pretty good deal!

 

[Tomgang]

pcie4x8 and pcie3x16 is same bandwidth

That is not the problem. The problem comes for people with older PCIe gen 3 system. Using rtx 4060 in such a system, you only have full PCIe gen 2 bandwidth aviable and thats when you risk losing performance do to lag of yes bandwidth.

 

[trsttte]

There is one fact to take in to count. RTX 4090 runs full PCIe gen 4 X16 while RTX 4060 only runs PCIe gen 4 X8. So 4060 is more crippled than RTX 4090 would be on PCIe gen 3. If RTX 4090 ran PCIe gen 4 X8. The loss of performance would be significantly bigger.

10 loss might to high. But above 5 % loss i will not say is impossible.

On the 4090 test they used gen 4 x4 to simulate teh gen3 x8 performance, it lost 6%. Lower tier cards (like the RX6600XT test I also linked) generally loose less performance - the 6600xt that also run an x8 gen4 link and lost at most 3% on a gen 3 setup. Given how this 4060 is only about 10% faster than the 6600xt the 3% might be pretty on point

That is not the problem. The problem comes for people with older PCIe gen 3 system. Using rtx 4060 in such a system, you only have full PCIe gen 2 bandwidth aviable and thats when you risk losing performance do to lag of yes bandwidth.

You either didn't understand or didn't bother to look at the tests I linked, they artificially limited the cards to lower bandwith to see the impact - which there was very little of before getting to ridiculous low bandwith numbers

 

[Deleted member 232534]

That is not the problem. The problem comes for people with older PCIe gen 3 system. Using rtx 4060 in such a system, you only have full PCIe gen 2 bandwidth aviable and thats when you risk losing performance do to lag of yes bandwidth.

ah, yes ofc. Sorry didn't understand you are talking about this

 

[enb141]

If you don't run demanding games, you can consider a mini-PC.
The Minisforum UM773 Lite is just 359 $ barebone and you get DDR5 + Radeon 680M. Pretty good deal!

Depends, in my case I have a HTPC computer because I need 2 huge hard drives for my TV shows, Anime and Movies, and one SSD for my casual games and 1 SSD for the OS, so on that little barebone, that's not possible.

 

[tabascosauz]

An overpriced piece of... hardware.
It's similar in performance to a RTX 3050, though. And you can get a 12 GB variant (if you start selling things from the house - TV, AC, your Batman comics collection).
Sorry, I'm just feeling funny (or that's what I like to believe).

that's pretty rich considering this generation's name's Ada Loverpricelace
also, you can get used (mined) A2000s at much cheaper now (cheaper than a 4060 for sure), and they tend to be in good-to-excellent condition ...

so yeah

I've seen a couple of recent refurbished listings for A2000s at $250usd/$400cad. Price could certainly be worse.

Yes, the 4060 is faster, and Gigabyte's effort is appreciated, but it really doesn't make for a good LP card where LP is actually needed:

• The length isn't too much longer than the A2000, but the 6-pin adds to it. All in all now you're looking at length similar to 2060FE. Generally not a great deal of room to play with in these cases.
• Not having a blower = 100% exhaust dumped inside already a tiny or narrow case. No go considering the extra TDP, and the downdraft CPU coolers you will be using are also doing the same thing, all in a case that usually lacks any form of active exhaust whatsoever.
• Needing a 6-pin is just a major headache for picoPSUs all around, even HDPlex DC-ATX that has provisions for one. A2000 runs off slot power.

For better or worse, these cards will forever be niche. It's been the trend for years now, in the ~5L space to sacrifice CPU cooler height in favour of a sandwich layout that takes short, full-height dual slot GPUs. Case is no bigger, the 6-pin is no longer a problem, sandwich is easier to organize, and GPU heat also can be separated from everything else somewhat. Everyone follows the same formula now. People would much prefer getting any short single-fan 4060 for MSRP rather than have to hunt for one of these LP 4060s at an inflated price.

 

[mechtech]

But does it come with the low profile bracket?

 

[80-watt Hamster]

This is a *50 (without Ti) tier card. GTX 1650 and RTX 3050 also had low profile versions.

Form factor is irrelevant. Defend your position on other merits.

 

[Squared]

If you don't run demanding games, you can consider a mini-PC.
The Minisforum UM773 Lite is just 359 $ barebone and you get DDR5 + Radeon 680M. Pretty good deal!

I had been thinking that my GT 1030 is as fast as a 680M, but I finally looked it up and actually the 1030 isn't even half as performant.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Radeon-680M-vs-GeForce-GT-1030-Desktop_11124_7996.247598.0.html

So that could work. For HTPC use, I'd prefer the balance of power shifted a lot more heavily into the GPU, but this is cheaper than many other options and it is a very small package. There is also a 780M option from Minisforum which is also tempting.

Form factor is irrelevant. Defend your position on other merits.

This is a common thought. Traditionally, each generation, every model is at least as performant as the next tier up from the previous generation. But the 4060 Ti can't match the 3070; in fact in many cases it barely beats the 3060 Ti. And it's a smaller chip with a smaller memory interface and a lower power budget. Compare this to the 4090, which is like 40% faster than the 3090 Ti, has comparable resources, and uses more power. I believe the 4060 and 3060 follow the same pattern, since the 4060 Ti landed in the performance class I expected of the 4060.

And now, the 4060 has made it into a form factor that traditionally doesn't have room for anything bigger than a 50-series GPU, which is consistent with the idea that Nvidia named the 4060 one class up from what tradition would've called it.

 

[Skylinestar]

It's hard for me to justify the expense of an HTPC—literally a PC I only use with my TV. This is why I have a super old one now.

HTPC makes sense in the old days where tv is just a dumb display but you want local music movie and simple online video playback. Android/Google TV systems are too common today and provide this simple function.
My main tv is still a dumb tv. So I pair it with an old pc (Xeon X79) running Android TV x86 dual boot with Windows for other streaming needs.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

HTPC makes sense in the old days where tv is just a dumb display but you want local music movie and simple online video playback. Android/Google TV systems are too common today and provide this simple function.
My main tv is still a dumb tv. So I pair it with an old pc (Xeon X79) running Android TV x86 dual boot with Windows for other streaming needs.

HTPCs still make sense when you dont want to rely on slow, clunky, often abandoned Smart TV systems. Mine can play all of my media, and games, and emulators, and streaming services, all without the typical Smart TV BS.

that's pretty rich considering this generation's name's Ada Loverpricelace
also, you can get used (mined) A2000s at much cheaper now (cheaper than a 4060 for sure), and they tend to be in good-to-excellent condition ...

so yeah

Used 6GB A2000s run $250-270 bare minimum on Ebay.

At $300, the 4060 offers a larger 8GB framebuffer and a higher class of performance.

The 12GB models are north of $450.

So yeah.

I've seen a couple of recent refurbished listings for A2000s at $250usd/$400cad. Price could certainly be worse.

Yes, the 4060 is faster, and Gigabyte's effort is appreciated, but it really doesn't make for a good LP card where LP is actually needed:

• The length isn't too much longer than the A2000, but the 6-pin adds to it. All in all now you're looking at length similar to 2060FE. Generally not a great deal of room to play with in these cases.
• Not having a blower = 100% exhaust dumped inside already a tiny or narrow case. No go considering the extra TDP, and the downdraft CPU coolers you will be using are also doing the same thing, all in a case that usually lacks any form of active exhaust whatsoever.
• Needing a 6-pin is just a major headache for picoPSUs all around, even HDPlex DC-ATX that has provisions for one. A2000 runs off slot power.

For better or worse, these cards will forever be niche. It's been the trend for years now, in the ~5L space to sacrifice CPU cooler height in favour of a sandwich layout that takes short, full-height dual slot GPUs. Case is no bigger, the 6-pin is no longer a problem, sandwich is easier to organize, and GPU heat also can be separated from everything else somewhat. Everyone follows the same formula now. People would much prefer getting any short single-fan 4060 for MSRP rather than have to hunt for one of these LP 4060s at an inflated price.

The length shouldnt be an issue. The majority of LP builds are either using the few DIY LP cases out there, which have 10+ inches for expansion length internally, or are using dell/HP chassis, which offer the same. Truly tiny LP cases with 2 slots are disappointingly rare, something I've ranted about before.

The blower isnt a big ordeal. The LP radeon 7850 had an open frame cooler, it was fine. Open frame LP 560x and 1650 cards work fine. So long as you have any sort of side vent by the GPU it will dump heat out of the chassis.

There's no issue for PICOs. A simple molex to 6 pin will handle the power needs of a 4060. Although I'd argue that most PICOs are too small for driving a card like this. HDplex has 6/8 pin connectors on board.

 

[Selaya]

[ ... ]
Used 6GB A2000s run $250-270 bare minimum on Ebay.

At $300, the 4060 offers a larger 8GB framebuffer and a higher class of performance.

The 12GB models are north of $450.

So yeah.

[ ... ]

oh, absolutely.
my post was more addressed towards those who believe that this is like, the second coming of christ and prior to this (somewhat) performant LP, SFF gpu's didn't exist - which is simply not true. the A2000's been readily available at a price not (too) off the charts for a good long while now.
(there's also the AD4000, but that's truly a moonshot-priced card, so there's that.)

 

[80-watt Hamster]

This is a common thought. Traditionally, each generation, every model is at least as performant as the next tier up from the previous generation. But the 4060 Ti can't match the 3070; in fact in many cases it barely beats the 3060 Ti. And it's a smaller chip with a smaller memory interface and a lower power budget. Compare this to the 4090, which is like 40% faster than the 3090 Ti, has comparable resources, and uses more power. I believe the 4060 and 3060 follow the same pattern, since the 4060 Ti landed in the performance class I expected of the 4060.

And now, the 4060 has made it into a form factor that traditionally doesn't have room for anything bigger than a 50-series GPU, which is consistent with the idea that Nvidia named the 4060 one class up from what tradition would've called it.

That's in part because NV has been playing at silly buggers with naming and power envelopes since Turing. 970 and 1070 were 150W. 2070 bumped that to 175. Then the 3070 came in at 220W, which was playing in the 2080's sandbox. Matching the performance of the previous gen's higher tier is poor accomplishment if it requires expanding the power budget to do it. 4060 matches the 2080: that's two tiers up in two generations. Fits your hueristic nicely. It's four tiers if you count Super variants.

Also, to my knowledge no x50 card post-Fermi required more than 100W until Ampere. They're also traditionally meant to address the sub-$150 space. The 4060 conclusively outperforms everything available at the $200-250 price point, which, incidentally, is the traditional stronghold of the 60-series. People can keep wringing their hands over the memory bus or the number on the chip, but it does exactly what a 60-class chip is meant to do. It just does it for too much money.

 

[tabascosauz]

The length shouldnt be an issue. The majority of LP builds are either using the few DIY LP cases out there, which have 10+ inches for expansion length internally, or are using dell/HP chassis, which offer the same. Truly tiny LP cases with 2 slots are disappointingly rare, something I've ranted about before.

The blower isnt a big ordeal. The LP radeon 7850 had an open frame cooler, it was fine. Open frame LP 560x and 1650 cards work fine. So long as you have any sort of side vent by the GPU it will dump heat out of the chassis.

There's no issue for PICOs. A simple molex to 6 pin will handle the power needs of a 4060. Although I'd argue that most PICOs are too small for driving a card like this. HDplex has 6/8 pin connectors on board.

The length is absolutely an issue for both cases I have - Lazer3D HT5 and Lone Industries L5. The blower is also a big deal considering thermal characteristics under load in both cases with just a variety of APUs on hand. It's a little strange to be excluding some LP builds as not being in the 'majority', considering how incredibly niche and miniscule the entire population of LP builds and LP GPUs are.

Like I said, HDPlex have provisions for 6-pin power thus it is not a compatibility issue by itself, but it adds to the already problematic/dealbreaking length and makes routing hell when space is at a premium.

 

[AusWolf]

But does it come with the low profile bracket?

The article and the product website say that it does.

HTPC makes sense in the old days where tv is just a dumb display but you want local music movie and simple online video playback. Android/Google TV systems are too common today and provide this simple function.
My main tv is still a dumb tv. So I pair it with an old pc (Xeon X79) running Android TV x86 dual boot with Windows for other streaming needs.

Both my TVs are smart, but I pair both of them with a HTPC, because I can't stand their sluggish OS and the remote control. I also don't want to bother trying what video format they play and what they don't play every single time. The only smart TV function I use is YouTube.

 

[enb141]

HTPC makes sense in the old days where tv is just a dumb display but you want local music movie and simple online video playback. Android/Google TV systems are too common today and provide this simple function.
My main tv is still a dumb tv. So I pair it with an old pc (Xeon X79) running Android TV x86 dual boot with Windows for other streaming needs.

Can you watch Netflix, Disney+, Amazon Prime, HBO/Max apps (not using web browser) at 4K HDR and audio passthrough 5.1 atmos when you run Android TV on x86?

 

[Toothless]

Can you watch Netflix, Disney+, Amazon Prime, HBO/Max apps (not using web browser) at 4K HDR and audio passthrough 5.1 atmos when you run Android TV on x86?

A phone can do that..

 

[ARF]

Form factor is irrelevant. Defend your position on other merits.

The chip is too small and weak for a *60-tier card.
The previous generations *50 tier cards had similar relative specifications.

RTX 4060 AD107 159 mm^2
RTX 3050 GA106 276 mm^2
GTX 1650 TU117 200 mm^2
GTX 1050 GP107 132 mm^2
GTX 950 GM206 228 mm^2
GTX 750 GM107 148 mm^2
GTX 650 GK107 118 mm^2

Do you see where it really belongs?

Now, look at the *70 tier.

RTX 4070 AD104 294 mm^2
RTX 3060 GA106 276 mm^2
RTX 2060 TU106 445 mm^2
GTX 1660 TU116 284 mm^2
GTX 1060 GP106 200 mm^2
GTX 960 GM206 228 mm^2
GTX 760 GK104 294 mm^2
GTX 660 GK106 221 mm^2

What you get is that nvidia rebranded the chips with one or two performance labels up, and charges three or four price tag levels up.

 

[enb141]

A phone can do that..

1 - I don't wanna plug a phone in my Smart TV.
2 - I don't think cellphones support 4k and Dolby Atmos as passthrough.

 

[Toothless]

1 - I don't wanna plug a phone in my Smart TV.
2 - I don't think cellphones support 4k and Dolby Atmos as passthrough.

They do support 4k and I'm sure someone can get dolby via type C.

 

[enb141]

They do support 4k and I'm sure someone can get dolby via type C.

Have you tried streaming apps by yourself in that way?

 

[Toothless]

Have you tried streaming apps by yourself in that way?

Don't need to. Don't need to see in 4k what brands are what.

 

[enb141]

Don't need to. Don't need to see in 4k what brands are what.

So you are saying any cellphone will do 4k with audio passthrough but you haven't tried by yourself.

 

[N/A]

The not so quiet 4060 windforce is 45,4 dBA at 3000 RPm, 2 heatpipes. That's not stated anywhere on the box. SO I can only assume 4060 LP is 55 dBA with only one u shaped heatpipe or 2 at best.