AMD Ryzen 8000 "Granite Ridge" Desktop CPUs Could Utilize Same IO Die as Ryzen 7000

JustBenching · Aug 31, 2023

AusWolf said:
You can look at it that way and argue about a 20 W difference. Or you can look at the 13900K eating up to 150 Watts when you play in CPU-limited scenarios. Your choice.

Then maybe you shouldn't buy one of the most power-hungry CPUs in existence.

The 13900k is indeed a power hog in games, that's why I don't have it anymore, went back to my 12900k. But it needs to be said that also the 13900k is incredibly efficient in productivity unless for some reason you decide to run it power unlimited at 300 watts. But why would you do that is beyond me. It's the 2nd most efficient cpu in Mt workloads so...

R0H1T · Aug 31, 2023

If you need the most efficient processor at MT workloads then buy a 7950x ~ we've been over this & I'm sure you disagree but the vast majority of reviews show AMD is the clear winner there!

AusWolf · Aug 31, 2023

fevgatos said:
The 13900k is indeed a power hog in games, that's why I don't have it anymore, went back to my 12900k. But it needs to be said that also the 13900k is incredibly efficient in productivity unless for some reason you decide to run it power unlimited at 300 watts. But why would you do that is beyond me. It's the 2nd most efficient cpu in Mt workloads so...

Are you sure?

JustBenching · Aug 31, 2023

AusWolf said:
Are you sure?
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Yes, I am sure. You are doing exactly what I said. The test is done with unlimited power. Yes, if you are allowing the cpu to draw 500w it's not efficient.

R0H1T said:
If you need the most efficient processor at MT workloads then buy a 7950x ~ we've been over this & I'm sure you disagree but the vast majority of reviews show AMD is the clear winner there!

According to the graph just posted, it is not. The 5950x smacks the 7950x by a lot

When you are power limit it to 125w,the 13900k scores 32600 pts, making it the most efficient cpu on the graph with 260pts per watt

AusWolf · Aug 31, 2023

fevgatos said:
Yes, I am sure. You are doing exactly what I said. The test is done with unlimited power. Yes, if you are allowing the cpu to draw 500w it's not efficient.

No, it wasn't. The green bar is at stock. Power limiting is a thing on any CPU, so it isn't an argument unless you power limit every CPU included in the test.

Also, @Chippendale's question/suggestion was about gaming. I don't understand why you keep moving the goalposts, unless your intention is to create yet another pointless blue vs red penis measuring contest.

JustBenching · Aug 31, 2023

AusWolf said:
No, it wasn't. The green bar is at stock. Power limiting is a thing on any CPU, so it isn't an argument unless you power limit every CPU included in the test.

At stock it's power unlimited. Yes you can power limit any cpu. If you do that you'll realize the 13900k is the 2nd most efficient cpu in Mt workloads and the most efficient in st workloads.

AusWolf · Aug 31, 2023

fevgatos said:
At stock it's power unlimited. Yes you can power limit any cpu. If you do that you'll realize the 13900k is the 2nd most efficient cpu in Mt workloads and the most efficient in st workloads.

No, it's not. It's limited to 253 W. You can power limit any CPU to any W, and it'll be way more efficient than it is at stock.

It's not a valid argument, and has no connection to anything mentioned here earlier, so stop moving the goalposts.

JustBenching · Aug 31, 2023

AusWolf said:
No, it's not. It's limited to 253 W. You can power limit any CPU to any W, and it'll be way more efficient than it is at stock.

It's not a valid argument, and has no connection to anything mentioned here earlier, so stop moving the goalposts.

No, you are actually wrong. Go check the review, it pulled 283w on cbr23.

Yes, it is a very valid argument. Indeed you can power limit any cpu. When you power limit all of them to the same wattage, the 13900k is the 2nd most efficient cpu in Mt performance. Why are you contesting this is beyond me to be fair.

AusWolf · Aug 31, 2023

fevgatos said:
No, you are actually wrong. Go check the review, it pulled 283w on cbr23.

Yes, it is a very valid argument. Indeed you can power limit any cpu. When you power limit all of them to the same wattage, the 13900k is the 2nd most efficient cpu in Mt performance. Why are you contesting this is beyond me to be fair.

There was a question/suggestion about a mixed gaming/idle power consumption scenario. I calculated the approximate answers. Why you feel you need to prove anything is beyond me.

You know what? Let's stop it here. The original question has been answered. I see no point in further answering to whatever imaginary situation you come up with just to make the 13900K look better than it is.

JustBenching · Aug 31, 2023

AusWolf said:
There was a question/suggestion about a mixed gaming/idle power consumption scenario. I calculated the approximate answers. Why you feel you need to prove anything is beyond me.

You know what? Let's stop it here. The original question has been answered. I see no point in further answering to whatever imaginary situation you come up with just to make the 13900K look better than it is.

There is no imaginary situation. According to the graph you yourself posted the 7950x is handily losing in efficiency to the 5950x. That's not because it's less efficient, it's because it's tuned out of the box to draw a lot more power

AusWolf · Aug 31, 2023

fevgatos said:
There is no imaginary situation. According to the graph you yourself posted the 7950x is handily losing in efficiency to the 5950x. That's not because it's less efficient, it's because it's tuned out of the box to draw a lot more power

You're comparing stock values on one CPU to a power limited scenario on another. This is utterly pointless and stupid. I'm out.

JustBenching · Aug 31, 2023

AusWolf said:
You're comparing stock values on one CPU to a power limited scenario on another. This is utterly pointless and stupid. I'm out.

Nope, the graph you posted is stock values on both the 7950x and the 5950x. So zen 4 is way less efficient than zen 3 according to the graph.

AusWolf · Aug 31, 2023

fevgatos said:
Nope, the graph you posted is stock values on both the 7950x and the 5950x. So zen 4 is way less efficient than zen 3 according to the graph.

Where did the 5950X come from now? :wtf:

Never mind. This conversation is petty and childish, and I'm going to bed. Bye.

JustBenching · Aug 31, 2023

AusWolf said:
Where did the 5950X come from now? Never mind. This conversation is petty and childish, and I'm going to bed. Bye.

The 5950x came from your graph. You posted it..

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Video Card(s)	AMD Radeon 6700S

Processor	Various Intel and AMD CPUs
Motherboard	Micro-ATX and mini-ITX
Cooling	Yes
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Display(s)	Monitors and TVs
Case	It's not about size, but how you use it
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Mouse	Wireless
Keyboard	Mechanic
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