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Suppliers Successfully Hike Wafer Contract Prices, Triggering Short-Term Surge in NAND Spot Market

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Recently, the spot market for NAND Flash chips has seen a rise in active price inquiries for certain products, a movement driven by successful increases in wafer contract prices. TrendForce reports this uptick primarily stems from negotiations in late August between NAND Flash suppliers and key Chinese module makers. These discussions led to a new wafer contract that successfully boosted the price of 512 Gb wafers by approximately 10%.

Other suppliers have also raised prices for their comparable products, signaling a shift in supplier sentiment: they are now less inclined to finalize deals at lower prices. This change has contributed to a short-term surge in the wafer spot market. Nevertheless, whether this surge in procurement is supported by actual end-user demand remains uncertain, as these orders have arisen in reaction to adjustments in supply-side pricing.




Suppliers remain firm on pricing and seek to accelerate bottoming out through production cuts
Beginning in 4Q22, Kioxia and Micron took the lead in production cuts, followed by Samsung in the 2Q23. Therefore, the effects of these cuts will not be fully realized until 2H23. TrendForce reports that Samsung initially reduced its production by 25%, and this figure is expected to increase to 35% by 4Q23. This indicates persistent oversupply pressures in the market. Without proactive interventions from suppliers, achieving a bottoming-out and rebound in NAND Flash-related product prices will be challenging, even if demand modestly recovers in 2H23. Consequently, major NAND Flash suppliers are currently controlling supply by actively reducing production, in a bid to halt further price erosion and prevent prices from hitting new lows.

In light of the recent uptick in NAND Flash wafer prices, module makers such as Kingston and Phison are experiencing increased cost pressures. As a response, there has been a growing trend among these companies to announce their intentions to raise the prices of end products, particularly in the SSD segment. Recently, these suppliers have reverted to official pricing for transactions, ceasing to allow customers to negotiate for lower prices.

TrendForce believes that, as suppliers continue to hold the upper hand in determining the prices for wafers and related NAND Flash products, short-term market price fluctuations are to be expected. Korean suppliers are likely to further cut NAND Flash production in the fourth quarter with the aim of stabilizing prices. However, when contrasted with actual end-user demand, buyers remain cautious—even pessimistic regarding future demand prospects. Consequently, even if purchasing costs are increased, this is unlikely to stimulate a surge in order volume. As such, the sustainability of the current uptrend in wafer spot market prices is still worth observing.

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Well, when the contact negotiations and/or production cuts fail to stop the price crashes (for the end products), then there's always the "unforeseen" factory floods, fires, power outages etc.. to fall back on :D
 
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Come to think of it, aren't we a bit overdue for one of those "mysterious" disasters?
You need to have a certain level of demand for that to work.
if no one is ordering your product you won’t get more sales By making your product more expensive.

Chinese economy is in bad shape, German economy is in bad shape.
no one knows what’s going on in the us as that government hasn’t sad a true word since it gained power.

no one is buying anything other than hedgefunds dumping everyone’s pension savings in to AI which doesn’t need all that much storage
 
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You need to have a certain level of demand for that to work.
if no one is ordering your product you won’t get more sales By making your product more expensive.

Chinese economy is in bad shape, German economy is in bad shape.
no one knows what’s going on in the us as that government hasn’t sad a true word since it gained power.

no one is buying anything other than hedgefunds dumping everyone’s pension savings in to AI which doesn’t need all that much storage
What do you use as a basis for your opinion on the US Govt?
 
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Everything they do and say.
redefining what a recession is and their constant dishonesty about job numbers put them on the naughty list
Where do you get that from? There are plenty of Infrastructure projects going on. Do you think that the Govt. announces a Plan that within 24 hrs the ground would be broken? Don't believe the narrative that nothing is happening as the interest rate drop in the US (Especially compared to other economies) is indicative of the money that is in the economy. As long as the Democrats can maintain power there will be tangible results in 3 years. As an example how many Laws benefiting Americans have been passed by the House of Congress since the Republicans have had control? I don't want to get political but I would rather a party that actually tries to govern than engage in pure revenge politics. Like the obvious hypocrisy of Hunter Biden's 5 million vs Jared Kushner's 2 billion.

Just look up videos on the foreign areas of Shanghai port city and you would see it is already in motion. The War in Ukraine is also a boon for the US as those Military packages they announce for the Ukraine are not actual Cash (Like some would like to say) but Military equipment that the US replenishes with new product. If you are old enough to remember the 80s you would see that all of the malaise that is North America (Unless you are employed by the foundation) can be put at the feet of Ronald Reagan including the fact that there is no control for the propaganda that pervades the Internet today.

Just as an example there was a "News" report on Fox News that claimed that The Prime Minister of Canada had got UN troops to kill a Woman during the ridiculous protests that have MY Sister and I not communicating. Or when that commentator for the UFC posted a video stating that Trudeau had said "We don't want automatic weapons" of course leaving out "While we are shopping for Groceries". It's crazy that so many are drinking the Koolaid today to think things are not as they are because someone says so.

That is one of the problems of society today that people are so quick to be caught up in. It is like how Nvidia users will argue with an owner of a 7900XT how weak their card is in Gaming, while that user (Like Me) Games everyday at 4K. It is so bad that raster (that is 100%) is seen as an afterthought in reverence to Upscaling that Fujitsu was the best at 20 years ago. I keep coming back to the software in Sapphire Trixx that had an implementation of Upscaling that beats every thing available today.
 
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