Is the RTX 4070 the new performance to watts card?

[freeagent]

I suppose I’m more excited than the average person

Enjoy it man, I think its an awesome card

 

[boomstik360]

Honestly if you spend hundreds of dollars for "kicks and giggles" ... I mean it's fine, but don't expect people to congratulate you when "smart shopping" just means "having hundreds of dollars to spend on graphic cards many would struggle to afford, and I buy them because I literally have nothing better to do with the money, and also I have the time to monitor web shops all day for good deals and I don't need the deals as I can afford the cards anyway I just do it because I have nothing better to do with my time".

Man, tough crowd around here. I figured we all like the same things, I don’t understand why you guys are so hostile? I was never offensive to anyone, just excited about finding good deals and trying out new stuff. If I don’t like a part that I have or want to try something else, I just go and sell whatever it is that I’m replacing. I will find a deal so it isn’t a rough as if I bought it at MSRP. Everyone has a different thing they do. I go back and forth with car stuff and computers. It’s fun to mess around with that stuff to me.

I have down time at work here and there so I look around for good deals sometimes. It takes no time to check Newegg or Best Buy lol. Again, part of my hobby. I’m not expecting a congrats, I was saying that I would post some results on a comparison of the cards as something fun to do. Kinda like what a lot of people do here on the forums.

 

[Space Lynx]

Have you been grocery shopping lately?

Everything is overpriced.

groceries have actually dropped a lot in price here in the midwest, eggs are back to their pre-covid costs even. they were quadruple their pre-covid price just 8 months ago. so prices been coming down fast in my area. leather jacket wearing folks wouldn't know anything about that concept though

 

[boomstik360]

groceries have actually dropped a lot in price here in the midwest, eggs are back to their pre-covid costs even. they were quadruple their pre-covid price just 8 months ago. so prices been coming down fast in my area. leather jacket wearing folks wouldn't know anything about that concept though

Same. It’s not too bad out here on the west coast.

 

[freeagent]

Living in Canada is expensive as heck

 

[boomstik360]

Living in Canada is expensive as heck

Crazy that it’s so different everywhere! Beef is the only thing I can think of that’s still pretty up there.

Lol dang it we have thrown this thread WAY off topic

 

[ViperXTR]

We bought some of the most hated video cards ever made

I just want to put my 7yr old GTX 1070 to my other low end PC and get a new GPU, sadly since the intro of RTX series things has been pretty bad, and i don't even have a choice for RDNA2 GPUs on my region (they noo longer have it here for months)

 

[Dr. Dro]

Honestly hot debate aside, the 4070's only problem is the same problem of the entire Ada range and that is its very high price. If it does what you need to do - it is damm energy efficient at it - and you can afford to purchase one, by all means do so and don't look back.

 

[boomstik360]

I just want to put my 7yr old GTX 1070 to my other low end PC and get a new GPU, sadly since the intro of RTX series things has been pretty bad, and i don't even have a choice for RDNA2 GPUs on my region (they noo longer have it here for months)

I know right, back then was great. The upper mid range was always around $300 give or take. A few launch prices over the years for the “70” class include GTX 470 at $349, GTX 570 $349, GTX 670 went to $399, GTX 770 $399, GTX 970 at $329, and GTX 1070 at $379. Probably not completely apples to apples every generation but yeah. Obviously Crypto, Covid, Crypto, and Jerome Powell changed things a bit over the years LOL.

 

[freeagent]

Honestly hot debate aside, the 4070's only problem is the same problem of the entire Ada range and that is its very high price

It was the same deal with Ampere, maybe even a little worse iirc?

Either way, people snapping up GPUs for very top dollar showed team green that they could charge whatever they want.

 

[Dr. Dro]

It was the same deal with Ampere, maybe even a little worse iirc?

Either way, people snapping up GPUs for very top dollar showed team green that they could charge whatever they want.

Well Ampere's deal was different, back then it was the mining prices during the pandemic, the 3090 was $1500+ but mostly over it having a lot of (at the time) very new GDDR6X memory. The 3080 MSRP was something like $699, about half that of the 4080. The 4090 only went up by $100 or so, but the rest of the entire stack went up a lot.

AMD's GPUs were also super inflated back then and only really normalized now

 

[AusWolf]

Don't get deceived by one single person undervolting one single graphics card. Every single card undervolts. Besides, there's way more energy saving features out there, like limiting your frame rate, for example. My 6750 XT consumes less power in Kingdom Come: Deliverance with a 60 FPS cap than a 6500 XT with the same settings (I tested it).

 

[freeagent]

I don't even know how to undervolt my GPU

The program doesn't let me

 

[Dr. Dro]

I don't even know how to undervolt my GPU

The program doesn't let me

Undervolting isn't some magical or even guaranteed thing. Depending on your luck, you may get a card that will crash with even a very minimal undervolt. It's largely a shot in the dark. It does serve to reduce power consumption, but only if the specific hardware sample you own is capable of reducing voltage while retaining stability without sacrificing any - or much of - its operating frequency.

The safest bet is the RTX 4070, IMHO. It too is capable of undervolting, but you shouldn't even have to. You can probably get it to run below 100 watts with a minimal hit to performance by simply reducing the power target slider in your overclock software of choice.

 

[ARF]

I snagged one for $479 open box and it was untouched

It isn't even funny. You are a lucky user and better don't try this again because as others have proved, there is always a risk that instead of a card, you get a box full of sand

 

[Shou Miko]

It's just my brain thinking to be honest, because when we all as a consumer is being told to save electricity while companies and data centers keep using more. But it's you as the smaller one that has to pay more for the same amount of energy.

This was kinda why I was blowed away and still is about the performance at 130W even I only paid about £552 / 695USD / 644 euros when I brought my RX 7900 XT which is about 6months old now and if I want to sell it I can get the price I paid.

But I do not really to change away from AMD because I enjoy their cards this was why I had 3 different models of the RX 6800 XT even choose it over the RTX 4090 because it made more sense for me.

The only thing that bugs me is just the power consumption of AMD's RDNA3.0 cards compared to Nvidia Ada Lovelace cards, because if saving on average at least 100W for not 100% performance drop is still amazing even it's still overpriced like every other graphics card out there.

But think the larger scale here if 10.000 or more have a gaming system only using around 300W instead of 6-800W for 8hours a day we save power and money on the long haul.

I also see move people moving over or concidering gaming laptops because of their power draw is lower but this is not for me because I do want to tinker and upgrade over time so saving money on tech and power is really nice since I am a one household income even now I pull out my RX 7900 XT to save the 15-20W of power when my computer is doing basic things and running my media server.

Most week days I use my T480 for my daily buzz online.

I don't even know how to undervolt my GPU

The program doesn't let me

With your RTX 4070 Ti from Zotac MSI Afterburner should support it, if you look at the video from TYC Bryan shows how, and I haven't had a 30 series card that wouldn't do it even MSI's cheap RTX 3090 Ventus 3x card did it and my Asus ROG Strix RTX 3070 did it and was optimized to use max 180W with no performance drop at all.

 

[ARF]

It's just my brain thinking to be honest, because when we all as a consumer is being told to save electricity while companies and data centers keep using more. But it's you as the smaller one that has to pay more for the same amount of energy.

This is a propaganda. What if I use absolutely autonomous solar panel installation, are they even then going to dictate to me how to use energy? It's my business, not theirs.

 

[Shou Miko]

This is a propaganda. What if I use absolutely autonomous solar panel installation, are they even then going to dictate to me how to use energy? It's my business, not theirs.

No propaganda from my end, here in the DK where I am now being home after family matters and gonna be a uncle soon and getting older.

In the DK there is a limit by the goverment on how much your solar panels can produce it's lame yes, and the only "green" car here is a electric car even a hydro car would make more sense.

We look at things differently from country to country this is still why I am curious about how cards behave when they are optimized and lowered in voltage because this only shows that if we don't see a performance jump each generation we don't buy the product no matter the feature set.

It's like I still think it's ironic that the EU allowed Apple to sell the iPhone 14 line-up with the lightning port because EU knew Apple would use their lightning port even without getting their extension that from the iPhone 15 needed to use USB-C but we are getting off topic here.

My brain is still curious to see what happens on the RTX/RX cards when power gets down not using 300-600Watts that AMD and Nvidia lunches them with.

Undervolting isn't some magical or even guaranteed thing. Depending on your luck, you may get a card that will crash with even a very minimal undervolt. It's largely a shot in the dark. It does serve to reduce power consumption, but only if the specific hardware sample you own is capable of reducing voltage while retaining stability without sacrificing any - or much of - its operating frequency.

The safest bet is the RTX 4070, IMHO. It too is capable of undervolting, but you shouldn't even have to. You can probably get it to run below 100 watts with a minimal hit to performance by simply reducing the power target slider in your overclock software of choice.

Luck and luck it's like overclocking which Nvidia almost anyway have killed because they already configured their RTX line up to boost to the max on their current power settings so it's more interresting to see how they performance when undervolting because if you can undervolt the card and it performance the same and with more cards getting tested and it shows for each sample that the rated TDP is too high just still shows that the big companies doesn't care about the power being wasted.

I only had one game on steam which is a beta which didn't want to run on anything but stock voltage everything from Atomic Hearts to A Plauge Tale Requiem and more have ran without anything issues going to 1.020V instead of 1.010-1.015V which was the first spot I found.

 

[ARF]

No propaganda from my end, here in the DK where I am now being home after family matters and gonna be a uncle soon and getting older.

In the DK there is a limit by the goverment on how much your solar panels can produce it's lame yes, and the only "green" car here is a electric car even a hydro car would make more sense.

DK is Denmark?
If so, then your solution is more wind turbines, I guess because this is the only thing they develop over there

 

[Shou Miko]

DK is Denmark?
If so, then your solution is more wind turbines, I guess because this is the only thing they develop over there

We also have a large amount of solar panels, and in the Netherlands they are testing underwater wind turbines that runs with the under water current it's a interresting to see.

But year Denmark took it on them selfs to be one of the first countries to actually trying to be greener and all that blah but we have to adjust same goes for the US and China it's equaily important they are at the tables with the G meetings because we all have to pinch in it's not like we are fewer and fewer people on earth and the rate that it's going to get into space we won't do anything major before 2050 or 2100 and I am not here at that time.

I read that right here and now the only thing that would make space travel faster would be atomic power it could cut travel to the international space station and the moon in half.

 

[vvkvvkvvk]

In the DK there is a limit by the goverment on how much your solar panels can produce it's lame yes, and the only "green" car here is a electric car even a hydro car would make more sense.

I'm going to guess this is for a regular individual with their grid connection. This is because of the grid inertia (among other things boring things) and the physics fact that you cannot just simply dump electricty into grid and hope for the best.

Non-grid installation are only barred by the safety standards. If you're validated and professional engineer / electrician dual class you could do whatever you please, f.e. build a town with your own grid. Will you get help from the state to do so? Probably not, and you're most likely required to install a panel and grid connection to satisfy some council requirements anyway.

Hydro means water powered? How does that work? If you mean by hydrogen you're really not interested in the effeciency at all, just when it concerns graphics cards?

I read that right here and now the only thing that would make space travel faster would be atomic power it could cut travel to the international space station and the moon in half.

Why on earth (pun intended) you'd need to go to moon and/or space station. We got ourselves perfectly good planet that's serviceable for now. Fix that by going "green", it's the lowest hanging fruit.

 

[boomstik360]

It isn't even funny. You are a lucky user and better don't try this again because as others have proved, there is always a risk that instead of a card, you get a box full of sand

It was from Best Buy lol. No risk there! It’s the only way I buy cards. There or Newegg when it’s “Shipped by Newegg” and “Sold By Newegg”.

 

[AusWolf]

It's just my brain thinking to be honest, because when we all as a consumer is being told to save electricity while companies and data centers keep using more. But it's you as the smaller one that has to pay more for the same amount of energy.

This was kinda why I was blowed away and still is about the performance at 130W even I only paid about £552 / 695USD / 644 euros when I brought my RX 7900 XT which is about 6months old now and if I want to sell it I can get the price I paid.

But I do not really to change away from AMD because I enjoy their cards this was why I had 3 different models of the RX 6800 XT even choose it over the RTX 4090 because it made more sense for me.

The only thing that bugs me is just the power consumption of AMD's RDNA3.0 cards compared to Nvidia Ada Lovelace cards, because if saving on average at least 100W for not 100% performance drop is still amazing even it's still overpriced like every other graphics card out there.

But think the larger scale here if 10.000 or more have a gaming system only using around 300W instead of 6-800W for 8hours a day we save power and money on the long haul.

I also see move people moving over or concidering gaming laptops because of their power draw is lower but this is not for me because I do want to tinker and upgrade over time so saving money on tech and power is really nice since I am a one household income even now I pull out my RX 7900 XT to save the 15-20W of power when my computer is doing basic things and running my media server.

Most week days I use my T480 for my daily buzz online.



With your RTX 4070 Ti from Zotac MSI Afterburner should support it, if you look at the video from TYC Bryan shows how, and I haven't had a 30 series card that wouldn't do it even MSI's cheap RTX 3090 Ventus 3x card did it and my Asus ROG Strix RTX 3070 did it and was optimized to use max 180W with no performance drop at all.

There's waaay more energy saving one can do by
1. buying a graphics card that is one tier above one's needs - bigger chips eat less power when performance targets are met, and
2. limiting framerate to one's needs.
Like I said above, a 60 FPS cap at 1080p makes my 6750 XT eat less power than a 6500 XT with the same settings and same performance target.

Also, what you're told by companies, and what you believe are two different things. Just because Nvidia wants you to buy "the energy efficient option", it doesn't mean that's the best choice for you.

Don't overthink problems that don't concern you. Your gaming PC is yours alone. If you want it to consume a bazillion Watts, then so be it. Don't let corporations tell you otherwise.

 

[ARF]

There's waaay more energy saving one can do by
1. buying a graphics card that is one tier above one's needs - bigger chips eat less power when performance targets are met, and
2. limiting framerate to one's needs.
Like I said above, a 60 FPS cap at 1080p makes my 6750 XT eat less power than a 6500 XT with the same settings and same performance target.

I wouldn't recommend such. I prefer 144 FPS at 2160p - more beautiful, more real, better gaming experience.
Of course, you can argue that sitting at idle will save even more power, but what's your purpose in that case?

 

[AusWolf]

I wouldn't recommend such. I prefer 144 FPS at 2160p - more beautiful, more real, better gaming experience.
Of course, you can argue that sitting at idle will save even more power, but what's your purpose in that case?

No - I'm arguing that if you want 144 FPS at 2160p then that's what you should target with your GPU choice. My 60 FPS was only an example of a larger, hungrier GPU eating less power when FPS capped.