Just a rant about AMD and their so-called "foolproofness"

[Vayra86]

I've accepted that RDNA3 just doesn't UV that well. You get a -10% energy slider and that's all she wrote. You look at clocks the wrong way, she might crash. Especially memory. 2600mhz, I thought was stable for quite a while, but nope. Perhaps with more voltage... But that's not what you want apparently and tbf neither do I. And if you want an OC and a UV... that's a fine line in 2023.

Go test it yourself then. Latest GOG version Cyberpunk 2077 + CyberEngineTweaks + Vsync + AMD GPU + attempts to change the resolution in game. If your GPU doesn't crash I won't believe you. And neither will I believe that AMD Adrenalin doesn't revert your settings to default values afterwards.

So your mod crashes the graphics driver. Remove the culprit != "I'll pick what I dislike the most", it means go by process of elimination. What if CyberEngineTweaks isn't in play, for example.

 

[Macro Device]

What if CyberEngineTweaks isn't in play, for example.

Game never crashes regardless of what I am doing there. This is what happens when CET is disabled.

 

[Vayra86]

Game never crashes regardless of what I am doing there. This is what happens when CET is disabled.

Well then...

 

[Macro Device]

Well then...

Like seriously, I spent about 18 hours straight testing it with ray tracing enabled despite very bad performance and I haven't run in any crash whatsoever.

But if I turn CET on, the game will crash upon alt-tab (not always) and changing game resolution (always) if I also enable vsync. With vsync disabled, it doesn't crash. Why? I have no idea.

 

[Vayra86]

Me neither but then you figured it out right? Just avoid doing that? I mean... its quite a combination of stuff to trigger a crash. Fact still is, it crashes the driver.

The story doesn't get much deeper than that, I'm afraid. Mod makes shit unstable, it runs but not flawlessly, what's new? If the graphics driver then CTDs, you're done... Its no different on Nvidia, if you trigger a TDR it will revert to stock as well. The ONLY difference there, is that Afterburner then applies your old OC on startup If you run Adrenalin and Afterburner, the OC settings are linked together, so that won't fly. But perhaps you can find a way to unlink that. Doesn't sound like a wonder potion to me, but hey

 

[Macro Device]

Me neither but then you figured it out right? Just avoid doing that? I mean... its quite a combination of stuff to trigger a crash. Fact still is, it crashes the driver.

The story doesn't get much deeper than that, I'm afraid. Mod makes shit unstable, it runs but not flawlessly, what's new? If the graphics driver then CTDs, you're done... Its no different on Nvidia, if you trigger a TDR it will revert to stock as well. The ONLY difference there, is that Afterburner then applies your old OC on startup If you run Adrenalin and Afterburner, the OC settings are linked together, so that won't fly. But perhaps you can find a way to unlink that. Doesn't sound like a wonder potion to me, but hey

I just want a button "I accept all risks and don't want settings reversion upon crashes." I don't mind if the price of pressing this button is warranty loss. I don't get it why it's so hard for some of locals to understand.

 

[Macro Device]

Joining a community of enthusiasts

How do I do it?

 

[Vayra86]

I just want a button "I accept all risks and don't want settings reversion upon crashes." I don't mind if the price of pressing this button is warranty loss. I don't get it why it's so hard for some of locals to understand.

No vendor offers that button, heck even your UEFI doesn't have it these days. It just always either happened, or it didn't. This is #Firstworldproblem material if you ask me. But you don't, I reckon

Perhaps you could write a little script to dial in your OC? 1 click apply.

 

[Macro Device]

No vendor offers that button. It just always either happened, or it didn't. This is #Firstworldproblem material if you ask me. But you don't, I reckon

Okay, next time I will have an itch I hack these drivers and rip this band aid off myself.

 

[Vayra86]

Okay, next time I will have an itch I hack these drivers and rip this band aid off myself.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/jnrhgj
Problem ain't new or exclusive to just crashing

People recommend running AB. If you do run Afterburner without Adrenalin, you have the Nvidia experience back again, on reboot that is; or if you save a profile in AB. That definitely beats hacking drivers imho

 

[Macro Device]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/jnrhgj
Problem ain't new or exclusive to just crashing

People recommend running AB. If you do run Afterburner without Adrenalin, you have the Nvidia experience back again, on reboot that is; or if you save a profile in AB. That definitely beats hacking drivers imho

This is a dirtier hack than what I am going to do. And I already stated in the OP I am forced to use a 3rd party tool to preserve my OC settings. That 3rd party tool is Afterburner.

 

[Deleted member 185088]

If you're still insisting on being a deaf skeptic it's your right I cannot take from you but I will not change my mind. These crashes have never had anything to do with GPU OC/UV stability. They arise absolutely regardless of GPU clock settings, be them stock or not.

Why the name calling? Can't you just decent your position while remaining civil?

 

[Bill_Bright]

I fail to see the reason for this "rant". This is system that protects users from causing permanent damage, that you admit works. That's a good thing.

This is entirely not the point. I agree with the part it's a good thing and it protects users from damage.

I disagree with not being able to disable it.

I am afraid I've not made my point clear. You decided to use software that includes features designed to make user changes "foolproof", then you complain that you cannot disable the features that makes it foolproof. Unless something changed I am not aware of, Adrenaline is NOT required. There are alternative solutions.

 

[Macro Device]

Why the name calling? Can't you just decent your position while remaining civil?

Was a very rough day + what I've seen as PLAIN OBVIOUS was misunderstood by a majority. Crap happens.

You decided to use software that includes features designed to make user changes "foolproof", then you complain that you cannot disable the features that makes it foolproof.

Correct. Yet it's a shame I cannot choose if this feature is a must or is a bust. Like seatbelts: you can decide to fasten them or not to. The last option leaves all the responsibility on the user. I want to be the user who can choose to fasten no seatbelts. I know the risks, I accept the risks but they won't let me take them. And it sucks a very major time.

 

[Bill_Bright]

I want to be the user who can choose to fasten no seatbelts.

Again, you seem to be missing the point. If you build a car and don't want to use seatbelts, don't install them!

I think it is time to move on. Have a good day.

 

[MeohMyoh]

Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth and SFC /scannow are your best friend for unexpected system failures

 

[Frick]

Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth and SFC /scannow are your best friend for unexpected system failures

Nah it's the mod that's doing it. Just tried it, and the mod is what crashes the driver.

The solution is of course to a) not use the mod or b) turn off vsync before changing resolution. I've never actually seen a game or mod crash the driver.

 

[kane nas]

I happen to be a little bit of an overclocking and undervolting enthusiast.

AMD Adrenalin is a great tool with simple and intuitive interface but it has an annoying "feature" called "Default performance tuning settings have been restored due to an unexpected system failure."

Just imagine a situation when you are testing uncommon gaming scenarios in existing or developing games and your GPU is far from being efficient or is outright unstable on stock settings. And whilst you're testing that game you run into crashes, sometimes dozens times an hour. And every single time you're forced to pull your refined settings back because of this quote-unquote "friendly" behaviour of their Adrenalin software which reverts clocks and voltages and whatnot to stock regardless of the nature of the crash.

I am exactly in this situation. My GPU has been thoroughly tested in a million possible scenarios proving my OC/UV settings are rock solid and not to be questioned. I am playing a game which is modded and crashes because of some bugs in mods I am trying to fix or at least work them around. This made me forced to use a 3rd party software piece to force my OC/UV settings to be applied on every startup.

AMD never answered my questions. AMD never introduced an "I understand what I am doing" button. They never seem to give a rat's patoot about testers' convenience. And this makes them deserve a very huge boo from everyone who cares.

And I care. I really do. I want this to go as public as possible.

I recall @Dr. Dro rants about him being ignored. You can welcome me aboard, holmes.

I'm also a fan of overclocking and undervolting, only I take it a step further with MPT, in general AMD Adrenalin is stable, but it can be better, it's not made for special "carving" but to provide you with security, the truth is that for the last few months I have been using MoreClockTool which in its new form has several options from the AMD control panel and is connected to MorePowerTool so my system becomes "lighter" and without bugs.

 

[Macro Device]

MPT

Borderline useless with 6700 XT. I tried, results were uninspiring. This is effectively a Navi 21 tweaker.

 

[AusWolf]

I happen to be a little bit of an overclocking and undervolting enthusiast.

AMD Adrenalin is a great tool with simple and intuitive interface but it has an annoying "feature" called "Default performance tuning settings have been restored due to an unexpected system failure."

Just imagine a situation when you are testing uncommon gaming scenarios in existing or developing games and your GPU is far from being efficient or is outright unstable on stock settings. And whilst you're testing that game you run into crashes, sometimes dozens times an hour. And every single time you're forced to pull your refined settings back because of this quote-unquote "friendly" behaviour of their Adrenalin software which reverts clocks and voltages and whatnot to stock regardless of the nature of the crash.

I am exactly in this situation. My GPU has been thoroughly tested in a million possible scenarios proving my OC/UV settings are rock solid and not to be questioned. I am playing a game which is modded and crashes because of some bugs in mods I am trying to fix or at least work them around. This made me forced to use a 3rd party software piece to force my OC/UV settings to be applied on every startup.

AMD never answered my questions. AMD never introduced an "I understand what I am doing" button. They never seem to give a rat's patoot about testers' convenience. And this makes them deserve a very huge boo from everyone who cares.

And I care. I really do. I want this to go as public as possible.

I recall @Dr. Dro rants about him being ignored. You can welcome me aboard, holmes.

Do you really need any OC to test a mod for a game that's prone to being unstable anyway? I mean, if you run your card at stock, at least you can be sure that the game crashed only because of the mod, and not because of your OC, or the combination of the two. Eliminate every failure point possible is my motto when testing unstable hardware or software.

 

[A Computer Guy]

I happen to be a little bit of an overclocking and undervolting enthusiast.

AMD Adrenalin is a great tool with simple and intuitive interface but it has an annoying "feature" called "Default performance tuning settings have been restored due to an unexpected system failure."

Just imagine a situation when you are testing uncommon gaming scenarios in existing or developing games and your GPU is far from being efficient or is outright unstable on stock settings. And whilst you're testing that game you run into crashes, sometimes dozens times an hour. And every single time you're forced to pull your refined settings back because of this quote-unquote "friendly" behaviour of their Adrenalin software which reverts clocks and voltages and whatnot to stock regardless of the nature of the crash.

I am exactly in this situation. My GPU has been thoroughly tested in a million possible scenarios proving my OC/UV settings are rock solid and not to be questioned. I am playing a game which is modded and crashes because of some bugs in mods I am trying to fix or at least work them around. This made me forced to use a 3rd party software piece to force my OC/UV settings to be applied on every startup.

AMD never answered my questions. AMD never introduced an "I understand what I am doing" button. They never seem to give a rat's patoot about testers' convenience. And this makes them deserve a very huge boo from everyone who cares.

And I care. I really do. I want this to go as public as possible.

I recall @Dr. Dro rants about him being ignored. You can welcome me aboard, holmes.

Basically you need a debugger mode that won't wipe your settings in case of a crash.

 

[JohH]

I've seen this message on my 7900 XTX when I didn't have any overclock applied, simply in quiet mode.
Sad to know it's unstable in mere quiet mode.

 

[Macro Device]

Do you really need any OC to test a mod for a game that's prone to being unstable anyway? I mean, if you run your card at stock, at least you can be sure that the game crashed only because of the mod, and not because of your OC, or the combination of the two. Eliminate every failure point possible is my motto when testing unstable hardware or software.

I already have run everything at stock settings. I just drew more power for the same result: imminent crash due to DX12 hooking failures.

I just hate being dictated on what I can do and what I cannot do.

Basically you need a debugger mode that won't wipe your settings in case of a crash.

How do I get it?

 

[Vayra86]

I just hate being dictated on what I can do and what I cannot do.

I respect that don't get me wrong - but this is a matter of perspective, yours to be precise. You can do anything, just not in any combination you like.

Still, I hope you find what you need... or make it

 

[Macro Device]

Still, I hope you find what you need... or make it

Thanks. I'm a kind of guy who almost always gets what he wants but usually a couple decades too late. Let's hope that's not the "couple decades too late" case.