5800X3D to replace 5800X or nah?

[jayjr1105]

Have a reference 7800 XT coming today and a 32" 1440p 165Hz IPS monitor. I play just about everything from old to new to indies, etc. Is a 5800X3D a waste or will I see significant uplift? I would likely try to find one on hardware swap used and sell the 5800X in turn. Heck I'd even consider one with broken pins as I have microsoldering experience and a microscope.

 

[dir_d]

It wont be a significant upgrade but it will be an upgrade where it counts and that 1% lows. Those make a break a video gaming experience specially since VRR has taken care of most other visual problems with frame rate.

 

[P4-630]

It's more of a side-grade imo.

AM5 if you want something better.

 

[Frick]

Only if the only purpose is gaming and you get a really good deal.

 

[Dragam1337]

Have a reference 7800 XT coming today and a 32" 1440p 165Hz IPS monitor. I play just about everything from old to new to indies, etc. Is a 5800X3D a waste or will I see significant uplift? I would likely try to find one on hardware swap used and sell the 5800X in turn. Heck I'd even consider one with broken pins as I have microsoldering experience and a microscope.

5800x3d is a good bit faster in all newer games, so i would say yes.

You wont see a performance uplift in old games though, like csgo (which uses less cache than what the regular 5800x has).

It's more of a side-grade imo.

AM5 if you want something better.

How is a 20+ % performance uplift a sidegrade... -_-

 

[lilhasselhoffer]

Short answer, no.

Longer answer, the difference between the two is vcache. If you get 50% of the face value for the 5800x, and it only costs you 50% of the face value for a 5800x3d, then you're spending a bunch of your time to do slightly better on some games.
If instead you took that time and money and plowed it into something better than a mid-tier (sorry, but both AMD and Nvidia have their mid-tier priced as premium) card it might matter.


That said, you'll find benchmarks to support whatever conclusion you want. I'd argue the better conclusion would be a 5700x, buying a 7700 or lower, and plowing that money into a truly great card in whatever the next generation is. This one is...just depressing.

5800x3d is a good bit faster in all newer games, so i would say yes.

You wont see a performance uplift in old games though, like csgo (which uses less cache than what the regular 5800x has).



How is a 20+ % performance uplift a sidegrade... -_-

11% lower base clock. 4 % clower boost. You then want to claim a 20% uplift without any real source.
Let me cite some. 0-28% uplift...so it'd great if you want to play GTA5 a decade later. Two sources differ on FarCry6...12% or 28%....so we know there's a lot of conditional dependency.

Give me an extra $200, and I could buy a lot of things that palpably improve performance. I cannot reasonably suggest anything but burning money based upon real data....and that's a stupid recommendation to stand behind.

CPU user benchmark

 

[P4-630]

How is a 20+ % performance uplift a sidegrade... -_-

It depends on what resolution and the games you play.

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[Dragam1337]

It depends on what resolution and the games you play.

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Yes, but 18.5 % on average, and newer / more cpu demanding games alot more.

 

[ShiBDiB]

Yes, but 18.5 % on average, and newer / more cpu demanding games alot more.

18.5% when playing at 1080p with the most powerful GPU on the market.

More realistically it's probably a ~7% increase in most games with some seeing no increase at all (again with the most powerful GPU on the market).

It's not worth it unless you have money burning a hole in your pocket.

 

[Dragam1337]

Short answer, no.

Longer answer, the difference between the two is vcache. If you get 50% of the face value for the 5800x, and it only costs you 50% of the face value for a 5800x3d, then you're spending a bunch of your time to do slightly better on some games.
If instead you took that time and money and plowed it into something better than a mid-tier (sorry, but both AMD and Nvidia have their mid-tier priced as premium) card it might matter.


That said, you'll find benchmarks to support whatever conclusion you want. I'd argue the better conclusion would be a 5700x, buying a 7700 or lower, and plowing that money into a truly great card in whatever the next generation is. This one is...just depressing.




11% lower base clock. 4 % clower boost. You then want to claim a 20% uplift without any real source.
Let me cite some. 0-28% uplift...so it'd great if you want to play GTA5 a decade later. Two sources differ on FarCry6...12% or 28%....so we know there's a lot of conditional dependency.

Give me an extra $200, and I could buy a lot of things that palpably improve performance. I cannot reasonably suggest anything but burning money based upon real data....and that's a stupid recommendation to stand behind.

CPU user benchmark

Yeah, you go ahead and base your purchases on cpu user benchmark, cause that is totally an accurate reflection of the performance... lol

 

[Double-Click]

A good question is how long do you plan on keeping the rig around (main guts)?

If you want to keep it for another GPU beyond that 7800 XT then I say go for it.
Nothing on AM4 was able to hold a candle to the 4090 except for the X3D.

 

[Dragam1337]

18.5% when playing at 1080p with the most powerful GPU on the market.

More realistically it's probably a ~7% increase in most games with some seeing no increase at all (again with the most powerful GPU on the market).

It's not worth it unless you have money burning a hole in your pocket.

18.5 on average... with several games still gpu bound. You see some games having up to 50% more performance with the 5800x3d.

Yes, how much of a performance increase he will see obviously depends on the rest of his rig, the games he plays and the settings he uses.

But to the actual question : is 5800x3d a worthwhile upgrade for gaming over an 5800x ? And the answer is absolutely yes.

 

[TechHalp]

5800x3d is a good bit faster in all newer games, so i would say yes.

You wont see a performance uplift in old games though, like csgo (which uses less cache than what the regular 5800x has).



How is a 20+ % performance uplift a sidegrade... -_-

It's not anywhere near 20%. It's slower at everything but games, 20% is the absolute best case scenario in specific at the lowest possible resolution with ray tracing on (not gonna happen with his amd gpu), and ONLY if your gpu isn't limited as well. You really do not understand what you are talking about here, you can't just average games nobody at all plays across resolutions you're not using with a 4090 and call it an 18.5% increase. Grow up.

Have a reference 7800 XT coming today and a 32" 1440p 165Hz IPS monitor. I play just about everything from old to new to indies, etc. Is a 5800X3D a waste or will I see significant uplift? I would likely try to find one on hardware swap used and sell the 5800X in turn. Heck I'd even consider one with broken pins as I have microsoldering experience and a microscope.

Waste of money at 1440p. First off, your pc will be slower for most normal tasks. You'll most likely only average +10% fps, and it's unlikely you'll be able to notice the difference at all. The new generation comes out next year, likely with some cheaper AM5 mobos/DDR5 ram as well. There may even be a 7600x3d for a great price, just be patient and it will pay off, get an upgrade where you will actually feel a difference.

 

[ShiBDiB]

18.5 on average... with several games still gpu bound. You see some games having up to 50% more performance with the 5800x3d.

Yes, how much of a performance increase he will see obviously depends on the rest of his rig, the games he plays and the settings he uses.

But to the actual question : is 5800x3d a worthwhile upgrade for gaming over an 5800x ? And the answer is absolutely yes.

Ok so you're still cherrypicking the most CPU bound graph on that page and making your argument sound wildly foolish.

 

[Dragam1337]

It's not anywhere near 20%. It's slower at everything but games, 20% is the absolute best case scenario in specific at the lowest possible resolution with ray tracing on (not gonna happen with his amd gpu), and ONLY if your gpu isn't limited as well.


Waste of money at 1440p. First off, your pc will be slower for most normal tasks. You'll most likely only average +10% fps, and it's unlikely you'll be able to notice the difference at all. The new generation comes out next year, likely with some cheaper AM5 mobos/DDR5 ram as well. There may even be a 7600x3d for a great price, just be patient and it will pay off, get an upgrade where you will actually feel a difference.

/facepalm

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Ok so you're still cherrypicking the most CPU bound graph on that page and making your argument sound wildly foolish.

The results that aren't gpu bottlenecked are the ones that are showing the actual difference between the cpus in terms of performance in games... should be rather obvious...

 

[phanbuey]

if you can sell the 5800x and get the 5800x3d the net $/% improvement is massive. It's a good upgrade.

 

[Shelterdeck]

If you are sticking with AM4 and the price is right definitely the 3D.

 

[ShiBDiB]

It all comes down to cost, it's not worth it straight up. But if you can sell the 5800x and this ends up costing you like 50-100 dollars then sure.