Raspberry Pi Foundation Launches Raspberry Pi 5

[bug]

They've had nearly HALF A DECADE to improve on v4 and this is what they came up with? Still no USB-C data transfer which makes it obsolete out of the gate, still using mini-HDMI WHICH HAS A ROYALTY FEE instead of mini-DP WHICH DOES NOT... or if you had USB-C ports YOU COULD JUST PIPE DISPLAYPORT THROUGH THEM.

This isn't so much insulting as it is just plain stupid.

Add to that no USB-PD...

I literally qued it up right when he goes over the power consumption part. It's full fat GUI desktop while running a CPU stress test and it maxed out at 6 watts. And that's not factoring in any efficiency loss of the power brick which is probably 90%~ or so efficiency. I can't imagine adding a GPU stress adding much more. Don't piss and moan over a non context screenshot if you're not going to observe the context when someone does post it.

Phoronix measures the most improvements when cooled in various OpenSSL operations. So I'm guessing it will draw more power when the code actually uses Neon and such.

 

[dragontamer5788]

5W computer

I wish. RP4 already was pushing 6W+. RP5 has a 27W power-supply, meaning you're basically reaching into small laptop-levels of power consumption.

This is actually quite an inefficient design. Sure, its small-form-factor, but with active cooling and 27W specified, it means RP5 is above even PoE (15.4W worst case) and requires PoE+ now. There are Intel-NUCs that use less power (and likely have better performance) than the RP5.

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Its a Rasp. Pi though, so it will sell like hotcakes. But I'm actually not impressed at all. They're going too big and too power-hungry. They should stick to their low-power niche. I already have a laptop (aka: a 25W TDP computer). Rasp. Pi needs to lower-power consumption for more interesting uses (ex: solar harvesting, cheaper batteries, AA-battery portable usage, etc. etc.). Seeing 27W PSU + active cooling + other higher-power features makes me weep.

 

[bug]

I wish. RP4 already was pushing 6W+. RP5 has a 27W power-supply, meaning you're basically reaching into small laptop-levels of power consumption.

They note the power brick is only needed if you want to stress the CPU and at the same time draw more power over USB ports. Otherwise you can balance between those as wish.

 

[LinuxGuru]

Have been really looking forward to a new RPi release but the lack of onboard M.2 connector is very disappointing in 2023. Many SBCs already had M.2 for years but I guess adding 20 cent connector was too much to ask. Would rather have one M.2 on the bottom of the PCB than bunch of ribbon connectors I will never use. Adding M.2 adapters, ribbon cables, heatsink that should have been included, enclosure just adds up to cable clutter and overall cost, and will make me think twice before getting another RPi. Removing 3.5mm audio jack that I use on Audio Server / Links is also a bad move, and no don't need more adapters.

Might as well just get myself a Beelink S12 Mini for $130 with much more powerful Intel N95, 8GB of up-gradable DDR4 RAM, 256GB M.2 SSD or 16GB RAM version with 500GB SSD for $150. Plus you can run official Ubuntu 22 or Windows 11/10, and actually be able to watch youtube video at 1080p without dropping frames. All this with 6W power consumption.

If anybody from RPi foundation is listening than please take some notes.

 

[Ferrum Master]

You look at Orange pi 5 plus.

Costs the double. But you get double, even more I/O Most importantly two m.2 slots, one boing proper pcie3x4.

If you summ up need for hats and other stuff...

This should be great building stereo vision robotics... Not sure the about videocore npu performance and if RAM is enough for that.

I am disappointed a bit tbh. RK3588 is just better.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Decisive question:

Is this able to play 4K H265 HDR+/DV 10bit videos finally?

 

[Ferrum Master]

Decisive question:

Is this able to play 4K H265 HDR+/DV 10bit videos finally?

HDR and Linux?

 

[Frick]

Ask the people that has been pestering the RPi foundation about it

Or just read the thread: People are using them for general purpose computers. So yeah. The dream is dead.

 

[Tahagomizer]

It once was an SBC for people who wanted to build something interesting and unusual, now they just went for the consumer mini-PC market and boast things like support for "8k" displays and high resolution video playback. Because obviously that's what a home tinkerer wants. Seems like the commercial subsidiary (Raspberry Pi Ltd) took over the charity part (Raspberry Pi Foundation), in the process dumbing things down for the lowest common denominator, a.k.a consumers. They even got rid of color coded GPIO header which seems par for the course.
Meh, just get a refurbished x86 mini-PC.

 

[dragontamer5788]

It once was an SBC for people who wanted to build something interesting and unusual, now they just went for the consumer mini-PC market and boast things like support for "8k" displays and high resolution video playback. Because obviously that's what a home tinkerer wants. Seems like the commercial subsidiary (Raspberry Pi Ltd) took over the charity part (Raspberry Pi Foundation), in the process dumbing things down for the lowest common denominator, a.k.a consumers. They even got rid of color coded GPIO header which seems par for the course.
Meh, just get a refurbished x86 mini-PC.

Agreed.

I mean, we all know that laptops, SFF PCs, and Desktops make a lot of money. So its not so bad for them to cater to the SFF PC crowd. But... RP5 just doesn't do anything interesting anymore. Its sucking down too much power for the vast majority of interesting applications (a laptop is literally a better buy from a power-consumption perspective). Its always been very closed-source due to Broadcom NDAs, undocumented pins/features/etc. etc.

I guess its interesting because its cheap... but is it really cheap? The Rasp. Pi foundation doesn't have enough manufacturing prowess to actually support a mini-PC market. So we all know that these things are going to be scalp'd and then resold at like $100 or higher. The MSRP price tag is completely irrelevant here.

 

[LinuxGuru]

It once was an SBC for people who wanted to build something interesting and unusual, now they just went for the consumer mini-PC market and boast things like support for "8k" displays and high resolution video playback. Because obviously that's what a home tinkerer wants. Seems like the commercial subsidiary (Raspberry Pi Ltd) took over the charity part (Raspberry Pi Foundation), in the process dumbing things down for the lowest common denominator, a.k.a consumers. They even got rid of color coded GPIO header which seems par for the course.
Meh, just get a refurbished x86 mini-PC.

RPi 5 is very underwhelming and a lazy release to say the least. PCIe 2.0 x1 is limited to only 1Gbps vs USB 3.0 ports that offer 5Gbps, not really worth connecting NVMe SSD to. Other SBC manufacturers put RPi to shame with boards like Orange Pi 5 Plus that offer 8-core CPU, PCIe 4x, dual 2.5G Ethernet ports, Type-C DP and nice onboard audio chip. Their claims of not bringing better features because of low $35 price tag doesn't hold water anymore. At $60 - 80 price makes me consider many other alternatives that are out there.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

RPi 5 is very underwhelming and a lazy release to say the least. PCIe 2.0 x1 is limited to only 1Gbps vs USB 3.0 ports that offer 5Gbps, not really worth connecting NVMe SSD to. Other SBC manufacturers put RPi to shame with boards like Orange Pi 5 Plus that offer 8-core CPU, PCIe 4x, dual 2.5G Ethernet ports, Type-C DP and nice onboard audio chip. Their claims of not bringing better features because of low $35 price tag doesn't hold water anymore. At $60 - 80 price makes me consider many other alternatives that are out there.

Do pi hats work on the orange? got a nice class D amp hat

https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/pi-digiamp?variant=4584804609

 

[bug]

RPi 5 is very underwhelming and a lazy release to say the least. PCIe 2.0 x1 is limited to only 1Gbps vs USB 3.0 ports that offer 5Gbps, not really worth connecting NVMe SSD to. Other SBC manufacturers put RPi to shame with boards like Orange Pi 5 Plus that offer 8-core CPU, PCIe 4x, dual 2.5G Ethernet ports, Type-C DP and nice onboard audio chip. Their claims of not bringing better features because of low $35 price tag doesn't hold water anymore. At $60 - 80 price makes me consider many other alternatives that are out there.

But is it a $60-80 product? Because you will want that CMOS battery, case and, most likely, power brick, too. At a minimum.

 

[Prima.Vera]

HDR and Linux?

VLC?

 

[bug]

VLC?

VLC may read HDR content, but afaik neither X nor Wayland have support to output HDR: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/HDR_monitor_support

 

[Ferrum Master]

Jup, no HDR fun in Linux. At least this year... and I suppose not even next year.

You may boot android for that, but that's very HW dependent.

 

[Greenslade]

Another thing is you are going to have to buy a new case. I will stick with the PI4Unless you want to mod one of the old cases..Here is the number one UK Pi man

I would get another make of single board computer.When there is one made available that you can use any distros that the PI uses .When that will be is any ones guess i want hold my breath. It might be a different case if they make a PI5 that is built in the keyboard making it the 500.

 

[Greenslade]

I have just orded a pre order one along with the fan and the power umit.